Oct 23, 2021 22:33:12 GMT N A T H said:

rad,

Wrestlers that can't figure out which word to raise their voice on.

" I'M going to met you IN! THAT! ring tonight AND! then I'm GOING! to beat.. you. "

Also not checking the microphone is ON before they start their promo and then getting annoyed it doesn’t work.

Oct 23, 2021 10:25:34 GMT Emperor said:

Great post rad , I especially agree with these two:

Oct 23, 2021 5:54:34 GMT rad said:

- Burying the authority of the ref.

Sadly this is becoming more and more commonplace in wrestling, including NJPW. In fact I think NJPW is the worst at this. A lot of the Bullet Club heels intentionally bump the ref every single match. No punishment, nothing. There's no consequence to breaking an illegal hold after the five count, making the count basically pointless. Almost never DQ for blatant interference of weapon use. Same problems in AEW and WWE. Assaulting the ref should be an instant DQ, no questions asked.

It's been a while since I've watched NJPW but one thing that stuck out to me was that when a person's stablemates would interfere during the match, the ref would just stand there and do nothing.

I get the notion that Bullet Club was (one of, if not) the first heavy user of these tactics and there was probably the idea that refs weren't used to these foreigner tactics and didn't know how to react but after a while, bruh, like three guys are assaulting the wrestler right in front of your face and you're standing there uselessly and letting them do it.

Oct 23, 2021 22:33:12 GMT N A T H said:

rad ,

Wrestlers that can't figure out which word to raise their voice on.

" I'M going to met you IN! THAT! ring tonight AND! then I'm GOING! to beat.. you. "

I laughed way to hard at this lol

I got a new pet peeve.

It's far too easy to hit a finisher outside of the match when it's so difficult to hit during a match. And I don't mean surprise finishers, but ones with a setup. Countless examples. A recent one happened on this week's AEW Dynamite. Lance Archer comes out, beats up Hangman Page a little, lifts him up, hits his finisher Blackout just like that. And this is the fucking Blackout, a finisher that is incredibly hard to hit during a match.

Jan 13, 2022 22:35:55 GMT Emperor said:

I got a new pet peeve.

It's far too easy to hit a finisher outside of the match when it's so difficult to hit during a match. And I don't mean surprise finishers, but ones with a setup. Countless examples. A recent one happened on this week's AEW Dynamite. Lance Archer comes out, beats up Hangman Page a little, lifts him up, hits his finisher Blackout just like that. And this is the fucking Blackout, a finisher that is incredibly hard to hit during a match.

And the strength of said finisher varies.

If it's hit during a match, there's a high likelihood a Kenny Omega type will kick out of it 14 times. If it's hit during a segment, it will put the guy in hospital for a week.

Reminds me of 2/3 falls matches and how easy that first fall comes. If it happened that flawlessly normally...

Jan 13, 2022 22:57:43 GMT Ness said:

Reminds me of 2/3 falls matches and how easy that first fall comes. If it happened that flawlessly normally...

Or the earlier Survivor Series shows where guys would be pinned with basic moves that never ended regular matches.

Jan 13, 2022 22:57:43 GMT Ness said:

Reminds me of 2/3 falls matches and how easy that first fall comes. If it happened that flawlessly normally...

I've always wondered if the booking strategy was to take a pinfall early while still in good shape, rather than both guys gassing themselves or risking injury early on, as the 2/3 falls match is usually a decent length.

Similarly how 60 minute ironman matches are really 25 minutes of wrist locks before anyone breaks a sweat.

Jan 14, 2022 3:03:22 GMT Baker said:

Jan 13, 2022 22:57:43 GMT Ness said:

Reminds me of 2/3 falls matches and how easy that first fall comes. If it happened that flawlessly normally...

Or the earlier Survivor Series shows where guys would be pinned with basic moves that never ended regular matches.

Roll Ups.

Most matches are booked around slowly breaking an opponent down until the inevitable finisher is possible.

However the most powerful move in the word : roll up, it can literally bring down a titan of the sport 2 minutes into a match, with little offence prior.

Old school pet peeve. The battle royal. You know the type. The meaningless with no stakes. I truly dislike them from a fan's perspective.

Not sure, if it was bought up here. The tug of the top rope, and the opponent flies over into the ring.... what?

Jan 29, 2022 23:15:38 GMT N A T H said:

Not sure, if it was bought up here. The tug of the top rope, and the opponent flies over into the ring.... what?

In most cases, said wrestler is already running forward & can't stop their momentum.

Jan 29, 2022 23:25:33 GMT Ed said:

Jan 29, 2022 23:15:38 GMT N A T H said:

Not sure, if it was bought up here. The tug of the top rope, and the opponent flies over into the ring.... what?

In most cases, said wrestler is already running forward & can't stop their momentum.

There's no momentum though, but like an irish whip it's just goofy wrestling physics we kinda have to accept.

The Bret buckle bump is great, but also makes no sense. Ain't nobody got that kinda power this side of Brock.

The Ric Flair flop over the turnbuckle is the most "wrestling physics" example of those kinda spots.

Jan 29, 2022 23:28:01 GMT Ness said:

Jan 29, 2022 23:25:33 GMT Ed said:

In most cases, said wrestler is already running forward & can't stop their momentum.

There's no momentum though, but like an irish whip it's just goofy wrestling physics we kinda have to accept.

The Bret buckle bump is great, but also makes no sense. Ain't nobody got that kinda power this side of Brock.

I love the buckle bump. It's deceptive power.

Jan 29, 2022 23:25:33 GMT Ed said:

Jan 29, 2022 23:15:38 GMT N A T H said:

Not sure, if it was bought up here. The tug of the top rope, and the opponent flies over into the ring.... what?

In most cases, said wrestler is already running forward & can't stop their momentum.

The opponent is standing on the apron, the worker in the ring tugs on the top rope and the opponent on the apron flies over the top rope into the ring.

In respect to other moves. Samoa Joe's " Nope " spot is one of the greatest anticlimax spots in wrestling. It actually makes sense. Just move out of the way.

Jan 29, 2022 23:45:27 GMT N A T H said:

Jan 29, 2022 23:25:33 GMT Ed said:

In most cases, said wrestler is already running forward & can't stop their momentum.

The opponent is standing on the apron, the worker in the ring tugs on the top rope and the opponent on the apron flies over the top rope into the ring.

In respect to other moves. Samoa Joe's " Nope " spot is one of the greatest anticlimax spots in wrestling. It actually makes sense. Just move out of the way.

meh, suspension of disbelief & all that. I mean, I hate needless dives most of the time but, the contrast can lead to serious injury.

Every Indy show I’ve wrestled/been in attendance for that has a great draw always has one thing in common regardless of the card, it is easily accessible by public transport. Yet promoters never seem to notice this and book venues in annoying locations to get to.

Teenagers who don’t have much money/a car yet make up a lot of the fanbase as well as a few elderly people come to the shows who may not drive anymore. Or people like me that just don’t want to drive a long distance to a show.

I have a rare Saturday off tomorrow and was considering checking out a show in Sydney and didn’t want to do deal with Sydney traffic and bad weather so I was going to take the train down.

It’s 30 minutes from the nearest train station and another 2 buses after that to get there, never mind.

^ See I always assumed it's just cheap promoters getting venues because the rent is low. But of course you often get what you pay for.

Feb 4, 2022 15:47:49 GMT System said:

Every Indy show I’ve wrestled/been in attendance for that has a great draw always has one thing in common regardless of the card, it is easily accessible by public transport. Yet promoters never seem to notice this and book venues in annoying locations to get to.

Teenagers who don’t have much money/a car yet make up a lot of the fanbase as well as a few elderly people come to the shows who may not drive anymore. Or people like me that just don’t want to drive a long distance to a show.

I have a rare Saturday off tomorrow and was considering checking out a show in Sydney and didn’t want to do deal with Sydney traffic and bad weather so I was going to take the train down.

It’s 30 minutes from the nearest train station and another 2 buses after that to get there, never mind.

15 years ago, there used to be a smorgasbord of shows in Melbourne... in the most unlivable, most avoidable suburbs in the entire city. Literally no where near anything of noteworthy except crime.

I'm sure you can find a building or theatre somewhere near the CBD to run a show. It's Melbourne, it's very possible. It literally runs on Arts and Entertainment.

And when the attendance was 12 people and their mothers, there was always a lot of shrugging and scratching of the heads trying to figure out why.

I think if wrestling in Australia is going to get over, it needs to be gimmicked to attract a casual fan first, looking for a fun night out. Lucha Fantastica seemed to be getting a lot of attention in Melbourne with an unashamedly Mexican themed show. In contrast, a lot of what I see of Aussie Wrestling is either following a trend that hasn't been popular for 20 years, ie: elements from the 1990s or trying to jump on a trend that is niche to most casual fans.

Feb 4, 2022 20:29:42 GMT Ness said:

^ See I always assumed it's just cheap promoters getting venues because the rent is low. But of course you often get what you pay for.

Oddly enough we have/had a few promoters with the opposite problem here. People that are quite wealthy that they run wrestling shows for their own amusement and happily lose money.

A few years ago a promoter booked Kazarian to wrestle on his show in a small room that holds 30 people max at $15 a ticket. So he would have had to pay his fee, flights and accomodation…which is far in excess of $450 and that’s not counting other wrestlers fees. He Is still running shows now and flying in wrestlers from interstate and stuff (hard to get internationals here atm). People are obviously happy to wrestle for him as he pays up…but I feel like even if I had heaps of money to burn I’d want to make a profit and successful promotion.


N A T H couldn’t agree more

Former WWE and TNA guys were working shows in regional Victoria. How they made any money, I don't know.

I remember Carlito and Chris Masters wrestling on what looked like someone's farm near Bendigo.

I'm loving this Australian pro wrestling scene talk

Even if I can't hear the accents

But to stay on topic

I essentially reiterate

Physics

Murderhawk Lance Archer wrestled in my home town a few years ago.. how could I forget?

It was a decade ago. It was also at a pub in regional Victoria. No one went.

Whenever I think of the Australian pro wrestling scene, Madison Eagles is the 1st person that comes to mind. She is so talented.

Feb 5, 2022 21:31:44 GMT Ed said:

Whenever I think of the Australian pro wrestling scene, Madison Eagles is the 1st person that comes to mind. She is so talented.

Shame she never made it to the big time. IIRC the only person to get PWI's #1 and never competed inside WWE/TNA.

Feb 10, 2022 16:32:51 GMT jumbomask said:

Was The Rock shaking his leg before a stomp in the corner listed? It always drew my focus directly on the shake instead of the stomp. LOL. Not actually a pet peeve just a weird side-note.

Honestly I always did that when I was backyarding. Just those little things as a fan. Sorry Austin Rock did the better mudhole stomp.

People in the front row that stand up for no reason. I went to the Impact dallas taping in January and ended up with a great seat in the second row, but for some reason the guy in front of me would get excited and jump up for no reason and stay standing while the action was in the ring. I can understand if the match goes to the floor and you want to see whats going on. But the shit was in the ring.


Lets get some new chants This is awesome, Fight forever, You still got it have become the new WHAT.

Don't know if this quite fits here. Probably more suited to a Wrestling Rules thread. Not sure if we ever had one.

I don't think No DQ matches should allow interference. It should be that neither wrestler can be disqualified by their own actions. But if someone else gets involved, it is a no contest.

And No Holds Barred matches shouldn't have weapons be allowed. It should just be that no moves utilising your body are illegal. Things that are always barred like chokes and closed fists, plus any that may be storyline barred like the piledriver.

I know the Fed likes to just use all these match names interchangeably, but they should be different.

No Holds Barred: banned moves allowed, weapons not
No Disqualifications: banned moves and weapons allowed, but outside interference not.
Street Fight: same as No DQ, but street clothes must be worn; maybe have some trash cans strewn about for the street feel
Anything Goes: this is where outside interference does not result in a no contest

Heel goes for a dirty pin. Feet on the ropes, grabbing the tights, whatever. Referee catches him. Heel argues with the referee despite being caught in the act.

What the fuck reason do you have to argue?