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Post by Baker on Apr 6, 2024 22:58:05 GMT
TIL Jim McMahon wore a Bears jersey to the White House after winning a Super Bowl with the Packers. Then he retired. That's a next level heel move from a career heel.
So how bad was the Charles Martin Cheapshot that it managed to babyface Jim McMahon to my parents and me (my brother loved Jerk McMahon for some reason)? Remember watching this live. Still has to be one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history. Also learned today the Packers were a real dirty team under Forrest Gregg. Those mid-late 80s Bears/Packers games looked brutal in terms of dirty play from GB. And also brutal in that the Bears were great while the Packers sucked. The 80s were weird, man. Anyway, here is the cheapshot of the century...
To make matters worse, this cheapshot exacerbated McMahon's pre-existing shoulder injury. Now McMahon was overrated even in his prime, but he never reached even that level of mediocrity after the Martin hit. As for Martin, he was kicked out of that game and suspended for two more, making him the first player in NFL history to be suspended for multiple games due to an on-field incident.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 6, 2024 23:22:54 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that both of the Texans 2004 games against the Titans and the 2004 Texans vs Vikings games will surface on Youtube one day(the Texans vs Packers game from that season would be nice too). Three of my favorite games in franchise history all missing from my hard drive collection. My hopes got a boost today when I found 2 games from the 2004 season that just recently seen the light of day for the first time, the Texans vs Raiders and Texans vs Bears games from 2004 were just uploaded to Youtube last month. I just finished the Bears game and it was a fun watch, future Texans head coach Lovie Smith in his first year as Bears HC, both teams 5-8, Texans beat them pretty handily 24-5 in what was the coldest game of the 2004 season up to that point, 8 degrees. The Raiders game was earlier in the year when Jerry Rice was still a starter(before they traded him to the Seahawks where he finished that season) so thats a notable game, I believe the one and only time we ever played against the pre-Brady GOAT.
Another notable Texans game that I forgot I had on my hard drive, the 2006 Texans at Cowboys rematch from the 2002 inaugural game, the one and only Texans game they ever played in the old historic Texas Stadium where KVE beat Flair for the strap. Its a straight beat down where Dallas was trying to run up the score in the end but still cool to see them in that stadium, which no longer exists.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 6, 2024 23:30:43 GMT
Andre Johnson and Jerry Rice on the same field/game, yeah this is a cool one.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 6, 2024 23:52:47 GMT
Jamie Sharper came to Houston and played his ass off those 3 years 2002-2004, coming off of that 2000 Ravens defense as a free agent he really put it in here those years and is still one of my favorite Texans to this day. I believe he led the NFL in tackles all 3 of those years. This play right here
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 7, 2024 1:46:30 GMT
YES, that Texans vs Raiders 2004 game was a great one, Andre Johnson goes one on one with Charles Woodson and leaves him in the dust in one play late. Hall of Famer vs Hall Of Famer. The Raiders tried to pick on rookie Dunta Robinson, who was actually pretty damn good, and got 2 picks in this game. He gets a pick in one of the last plays and Andre Johnson decapitates one of the Raiders o-lineman knocking him out of his helmet and cleats with a block on the run back. Savage play Thinking about it though I think the commentator is mistaken that can't be Andre in there on defense? But what a win that was at the time, first time we ever won back to back games. Really fun watch ended up being way more interesting than I thought it would be.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 14, 2024 3:04:34 GMT
Having a blast going through Texans history like I usually do every few offseasons, scanning to see if any new old stuff has surfaced. Quite a bit of stuff from 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 seasons has been uploaded in the last few months. I had fun going back to revisit a few 2004 games last weekend or so. Now I'm seeing about 5 or 6 fresh games uploaded from 2006, the first Gary Kubiak season the rookie season of Demeco Ryans our current head coach. I watched the game vs the Titans from 2006 with Vince Young first homecoming game since winning the National Championship for Texas, playing in his hometown Houston vs rookie Demeco Ryans who has a great game. This was a fun watch, nice game that came down to the wire in the end. Good stuff. Have to be honest and admit that I overlooked Demeco during his prime years he just wasn't one of my guys even though I was always aware of him and that he was beloved by most Texans fans those days. Watching this game today really stood out that he really was something special and it's like storybook or movie that he's the one about to push this team into the future being taken seriously finally.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 14, 2024 4:55:29 GMT
Went down the rabbit hole and somehow ended up looking closely at the 2005 Denver Broncos for some reason. I guess after looking closely at the 2004 Texans their final game vs the 2-13 Browns they just gave up and laid down to them, Carr was sacked 6 times, the whole game was a preview of how bad they would be in 2005. Was thinking 2005 was the year they should have cleaned house, signed a QB to compete with Carr in 2005, fire Capers and the OC Chris Palmer maybe hire Gary Kubiak a year sooner to give him a jump start on building the team. In hindsight it was like they tanked the 2005 season on purpose and it was a wasted year that really set the franchise growth back several more years.
But Kubiak was in his final year as OC in Denver in 2005 and man that team was good looking back now. This was the year the Patriots were defending 2 time SB Champs and this Broncos team was what stopped them from a 3peat, whooped them pretty good in the regular season and in Denver in the AFC Divisional playoffs. They finished 13-3 had a top 5 offense and top 5 defense, hosted Pittsburgh in the 2005 AFCCG and just got demolished in a loss(Pittsburgh went on to beat Seattle in Super Bowl XL). The next year 2006 Kubiak came to the Texans and they drafted Demeco Ryans in the second round.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 14, 2024 4:57:44 GMT
Went digging through the 2004 archives on the Texans message board and found a post from 20 years ago with somebody predicting then that Carr was toast and that we should go after Kurt Warner(he had just been benched by the Giants so they could start rookie Eli). Man to think if we had a shot at Kurt Warner in 2005 the Cardinals got him, that would put Warner with Andre Johnson in his prime years 2008 and 2009 when he was dominating the NFL. Man.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 28, 2024 13:18:17 GMT
Been watching a few Texans games from 2006 and 2007 that have just recently surfaced on Youtube for the first time, really makes me think deep about Andre Johnson's career. He has a great rookie year in 2003, excellent 2004 season, then you got to mark out his 2005 and 2006 seasons as wasted really, these were the Toast Carr years(whole offense was in crisis the 05 season with OC being fired early).
Seeing him early on healthy in the 2007 season and jesus he was a bad motherfucker by this point, playing with Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels. The highlights of Andre from this season are pretty ridiculous he reached the truly dominant phase of his career by 2007, but ended up missing significant time that year with injuries. So he had 3 years in his prime all lost, 2005-2006-2007, even though lost years he still led the NFL in some categories in 2006 if I remember correctly(receptions?) and 2007.
His apex is the 2008 and 2009 years where he led the NFL in receiving, played with a lot of Sage Rosenfels in 2008 then finally a full season with Schaub in 2009 with no run game whatsoever. Still elite in 2010 with Schaub at his peak, Arian Foster breaking out, dominant in 2011 but misses more time with injury, has rookie TJ Yates as his QB in his playoff debut that year. Balls out in 2012 and by this point really Schaub was toast as this season progressed, 2013 he was done historic pick six amount, 2014 Andre plays with Fitzpatrick and a bunch of other scrubs.
Somehow finishes retiring a top 10 all time receiver, that is truly fucking amazing when you really put a microscope on that career with what he had to work with and how many of his prime years were just really wasted by the circumstances around the team he played for. If you think what if he had a stable team with a QB in 2005-2006 and maybe the 2007 injury doesn't happen I think his legacy would be far far greater.
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Post by Neo Zeed on Apr 28, 2024 16:56:40 GMT
Totally random thought, another big misconception of NFL history, story retelling/revision history being wrong, the Titans were not 1 yard short of winning the Super Bowl in 1999, it was 23-16, so if they got the TD they still needed an extra point to tie(then still had overtime) or a 2 point conversion to win it.
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