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Post by iron maiden on Aug 6, 2018 16:14:49 GMT
Who says they're not targeting anything else?
Also, this hopefully would light a fire under you or someone like you, who starts saying why NOT also reduce the amount of packaging? Why do I order something from Amazon and each item comes in its own individual extra-large box with Styrofoam peanuts? What if I opt out of the two-day shipping for items I don't have an immediate need for, and ask them to ship all my items together in one box to save on packaging and the fuel it costs to ship?
They're not targeting anything else, why not focus on completely eliminating plastic instead of playing around the fringes of the issues? It's all about a lot more than packaging though. Why not focus on energy? There is more environmental harm done in the manufacture of packaging than there is in an occasional seal choking on a plastic bag. You can't have a plastic bag, but we'll ship your fruit from Mexico because it's cheaper even though it burns fossil fuels, it's all good. Even organic food goes in the back of a diesel truck. I don't think people really understand manufacturing and how ugly it is. I don't disagree with you. This is but one ugly issue plaguing our disposable society but it's a start to getting people to cut down on plastic consumption and extra packaging all together or at least be more mindful of it. It also leads to the manufcaturing and transportation issue.
We recently went through (are still going through) a big pipeline debate here in Canada. They are protesting a pipeline that goes through beautiful Bristish Columbia to the ocean. Of course the environmental impacts are what are driving prostestors but what it doesn't tell you is that pipeline is already there and has been for years, was there before more ecological laws were in place. If it's not updated and maintained, like it will be if someone takes up the mantle, the ecological effect is worse. Also, currently the oil is being transported by train, so what's worse?
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Post by iNCY on Aug 7, 2018 0:21:13 GMT
They're not targeting anything else, why not focus on completely eliminating plastic instead of playing around the fringes of the issues? It's all about a lot more than packaging though. Why not focus on energy? There is more environmental harm done in the manufacture of packaging than there is in an occasional seal choking on a plastic bag. You can't have a plastic bag, but we'll ship your fruit from Mexico because it's cheaper even though it burns fossil fuels, it's all good. Even organic food goes in the back of a diesel truck. I don't think people really understand manufacturing and how ugly it is. I don't disagree with you. This is but one ugly issue plaguing our disposable society but it's a start to getting people to cut down on plastic consumption and extra packaging all together or at least be more mindful of it. It also leads to the manufcaturing and transportation issue.
We recently went through (are still going through) a big pipeline debate here in Canada. They are protesting a pipeline that goes through beautiful Bristish Columbia to the ocean. Of course the environmental impacts are what are driving prostestors but what it doesn't tell you is that pipeline is already there and has been for years, was there before more ecological laws were in place. If it's not updated and maintained, like it will be if someone takes up the mantle, the ecological effect is worse. Also, currently the oil is being transported by train, so what's worse?
I agree with you boss,  I don't mind the bag ban, I just think that it's funny when companies make an environmental decision only when it suits their bottom line. On the pipeline thing, it really is a question of how hypocritical people want to be... It's the same here, people shake their head at Conservative governments and say we need more renewable energy... But when the election rolls around, one of the top issues is Energy prices. I think politicians and business leaders of all persuasions need to be a lot more honest and forthright. Say... Right stupid people you can have it green or cheap, which is more important to you? Truth of the matter 95% of the populations chooses cheap, which is how the world got to the point it is at now. So the secondary question is should our leaders respond to the whims of a selfish population or tell us to jam it as they serve the greater good?
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