It's a brave new Post-Truth world according to people who know...
In light of this I would like to draw attention to "my ever-charming and warm personality" and tell you "how much I have loved you all" 

It's a strange world now isn't it?
I mean the same people that slam Trump for living in his world of lies are quite happy to hear accusations and ready the gallows based on one person's accusations... (Trump is an ass for the record)
How do we decide truth when it is unknowable? I have been in situations where you could lie detect two people and they would be to their conviction telling the absolute truth, but they both cannot be correct.
Such is the danger with recollection and the plasticity of memory.

So what are your thoughts on truth and is there anything you would like to get off your chest in a post-truth world?

You can believe anything you want these days and a quick google search will back it up for you.

Want to believe the earth is flat? A site will tell you it’s fact because the government is lying to you and the government is fake.
Anyone who doesn’t believe you is a shill bought out by NASA
(People have accused Joe Rogan of this because he isn’t a flat earther) My sister’s FB bio is “I 👏🏻 AM 👏🏻 A 👏🏻 BOY” and I’m a bigot if I think otherwise despite it being the truth that she’s female.

It also seems to be part of the reason why discussion boards aren’t so popular anymore, there’s some heated discussion here every now and then but no one I hold any ill will against and enjoy hearing different view points. Try that on other social media platforms and people will be deeply offended you disagree with them and their world view.

I think we've had similar threads on here. Whatever stupid opinion or belief you have, chances are there's enough like minded people online and supporting material to convince you, you're right. ie; flat-earthers today or every religion, ever.

The success of the lie, is in the commitment and when there's enough fucking nuts in the world who whole-heartedly believe these weird and wonderful, dumbass ideas it gains credibility. If you told someone that Star Wars was a true story - they'd laugh. Yet, they'll worship a God that does exist and quote a work of fiction as fact, despite it contradicting science and historic evidence.

Oct 16, 2018 7:49:18 GMT NATH45 said:

I think we've had similar threads on here. Whatever stupid opinion or belief you have, chances are there's enough like minded people online and supporting material to convince you, you're right. ie; flat-earthers today or every religion, ever.

The success of the lie, is in the commitment and when there's enough fucking nuts in the world who whole-heartedly believe these weird and wonderful, dumbass ideas it gains credibility. If you told someone that Star Wars was a true story - they'd laugh. Yet, they'll worship a God that does exist and quote a work of fiction as fact, despite it contradicting science and historic evidence.

Okay NATH45, I'll bite, how are you able to demonstrate that God doesn't exist and that the Bible is a work of fiction?
If you starting talking about flying spaghetti monsters, prepare for me to be totally unimpressed.
If God did exist, how would you expect to prove his existence empirically?

Oct 17, 2018 23:30:54 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 16, 2018 7:49:18 GMT NATH45 said:

I think we've had similar threads on here. Whatever stupid opinion or belief you have, chances are there's enough like minded people online and supporting material to convince you, you're right. ie; flat-earthers today or every religion, ever.

The success of the lie, is in the commitment and when there's enough fucking nuts in the world who whole-heartedly believe these weird and wonderful, dumbass ideas it gains credibility. If you told someone that Star Wars was a true story - they'd laugh. Yet, they'll worship a God that does exist and quote a work of fiction as fact, despite it contradicting science and historic evidence.

Okay NATH45 , I'll bite, how are you able to demonstrate that God doesn't exist and that the Bible is a work of fiction?
If you starting talking about flying spaghetti monsters, prepare for me to be totally unimpressed.
If God did exist, how would you expect to prove his existence empirically?

Wait, which God? God God? Zeus? Vishnu? Odin? Thor? Thor as played by Chris Hemsworth? Or The Rainbow Serpent, the creating God in Aboriginal Australian Mythology? I bet for 50,000 years they thought this beast was the real deal, until Europeans introduced Christianity.

The idea of religion is well and good, mostly, before trying to prove the existence of a God, decide on which God is the correct one.

Oct 17, 2018 23:30:54 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 16, 2018 7:49:18 GMT NATH45 said:

I think we've had similar threads on here. Whatever stupid opinion or belief you have, chances are there's enough like minded people online and supporting material to convince you, you're right. ie; flat-earthers today or every religion, ever.

The success of the lie, is in the commitment and when there's enough fucking nuts in the world who whole-heartedly believe these weird and wonderful, dumbass ideas it gains credibility. If you told someone that Star Wars was a true story - they'd laugh. Yet, they'll worship a God that does exist and quote a work of fiction as fact, despite it contradicting science and historic evidence.

Okay NATH45 , I'll bite, how are you able to demonstrate that God doesn't exist and that the Bible is a work of fiction?
If you starting talking about flying spaghetti monsters, prepare for me to be totally unimpressed.
If God did exist, how would you expect to prove his existence empirically?

It's not on the non-believers to prove he exists, it's on the believers to prove he does.

The way you've framed the question is exactly why we live in a Post-Truth world.

Oct 18, 2018 20:46:19 GMT KJ said:

Oct 17, 2018 23:30:54 GMT iNCY said:

Okay NATH45 , I'll bite, how are you able to demonstrate that God doesn't exist and that the Bible is a work of fiction?
If you starting talking about flying spaghetti monsters, prepare for me to be totally unimpressed.
If God did exist, how would you expect to prove his existence empirically?

It's not on the non-believers to prove he exists, it's on the believers to prove he does.

The way you've framed the question is exactly why we live in a Post-Truth world.

No, I am quite happy to make the case for the existence of God through irrefutable logic and history.

Oct 18, 2018 23:17:34 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 18, 2018 20:46:19 GMT KJ said:

It's not on the non-believers to prove he exists, it's on the believers to prove he does.

The way you've framed the question is exactly why we live in a Post-Truth world.

No, I am quite happy to make the case for the existence of God through irrefutable logic and history.

Hit me with facts.

Pssh, PW has been post-truth for a long time now. It’s how I got away with marrying my own alter-account.

Oct 19, 2018 0:12:53 GMT mikec said:

Pssh, PW has been post-truth for a long time now. It’s how I got away with marrying my own alter-account.

Valid.

The fact that we don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg, is clearly all the proof we need of a God...

Oct 18, 2018 23:47:41 GMT KJ said:

Oct 18, 2018 23:17:34 GMT iNCY said:

No, I am quite happy to make the case for the existence of God through irrefutable logic and history.

Hit me with facts.

Sure KJ, I will take that as a respectful inquiry.
Jesus was born in Nazareth and claimed among other things to be the Son of God and validated the Abrahamic God as true.
At the order of Herod and as predicted by him earlier, Jesus was put to death.
So far we are in the territory of what is held as true by non-Christian sources.
On the third day as predicted hundreds of years before it happened, Jesus came back to life... Not as a ghost or as a spirit but a bodily resurrection, that w as later transfigured.
He appeared to multiple groups of people, these records were collected by different people and recorded, at a later date these records were collated and became a collection of writings that form part of the Bible.

Now here is where everyone loses the plot.
Those multiple groups of people that saw Jesus, went out and told people that Jesus was the Christ.
Without getting into a huge grammatical study, they were saying that Jesus was king and Caeser wasn't.
If Jesus was dead there was no reason to maintain this.
In fact nearly every single person who saw Jesus as raised from the dead was put to death for saying so.
This is not something we can apply modern views of Christianity to, there was no pay-off in any way for saying that Jesus was alive.
There was no political or social benefit to maintaining this, all they could look forward to was a cruel death.
And it is not the same as saying that zealots exist at every age of history, this isn't something they were taught as children, if Jesus really was dead there was no pay-off in the after life.

So we have people who had no reason to do so prepared to die for their account of the truth.
They bear record of the man Jesus of Nazareth
Jesus bears record of the Old Testament and of God

You can choose to not believe it because you cannot empirically prove it.
We accept many more historical facts on far less documentary evidence than we have for the resurrection of Jesus.

Oct 19, 2018 0:19:44 GMT @ness said:

The fact that we don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg, is clearly all the proof we need of a God...

For the record, only in the looney fringe of Christianity i.e. American Evangelicalism is there a conflict between Christianity and Science.

One day I would love to be a preacher, because the perception of Christianity has been destroyed by Christians.
Christianity is not about choosing whether you spend eternity in heaven or hell.

That was like a Sunday school sermon on Jesus from a man who acknowledges he wants to be a preacher.

I’m looking for validated evidence Jesus even existed outside of the Bible.

There’s certainly nothing outside of that book (from that time) that validates even if he did that he was anything more than a human. But again, I can never seem to find records of him living that aren’t from a post-bible world ... which means anything written well after he “lived” is tainted at best by the narrative of religion.

You do you. But the onus isn’t on me to prove he doesn’t exist.

Oct 19, 2018 3:22:41 GMT KJ said:

That was like a Sunday school sermon on Jesus from a man who acknowledges he wants to be a preacher.

I’m looking for validated evidence Jesus even existed outside of the Bible.

There’s certainly nothing outside of that book (from that time) that validates even if he did that he was anything more than a human. But again, I can never seem to find records of him living that aren’t from a post-bible world ... which means anything written well after he “lived” is tainted at best by the narrative of religion.

You do you. But the onus isn’t on me to prove he doesn’t exist.

That's not logically sound, nor was it a sermon.
Do you dismiss Roman history because it was recorded by the Romans? Or French history written by the French?
Do you realize that all history is recorded to writing a generation or two after it actually occurred?
Josephus and Tactius both acknowledge the life and death of Jesus within the same period. i.e. within living memory of those who were present.

If I was to collect all the writings about a person and then put them in a book with a leather cover, does that make the writing less plausible?

I have no issue with people choosing to not believe that Jesus was the son of God even though I find their logic less than compelling.
I do take issue with people holding the existence of Jesus to a higher bar than any other historical figure they are willing to accept.

There’s corrobating evidence of other figures. Jesus is validates by a book that exists solely to validate him.

Oct 19, 2018 4:42:31 GMT KJ said:

There’s corrobating evidence of other figures. Jesus is validates by a book that exists solely to validate him.

You mean except for Josephus, Tacitus and the Dead Sea Scrolls? All independent of the Christian faith.
Except for the many early Christian writings not included in the Bible?
All we have of many figures in history are statues or a few coins, yet we hold them as having existed.

All history exists because some wrote it down, often because they were interested in the topic or person, that does not prove bias.
Early Christianity was not self serving, there was ZERO benefit to be gained by calling Jesus the true King, most of them were killed for it.

iNCY, fiction. All of it.

iNCY isn’t Jesus Christ recorded in a census? I remember someone telling me that in school.

Again, if there was something that was created during Jesus’s life that said he’d existed, I’d be more than willing to acknowledge that.

Best of my recollection, everything Incy listed is still written post-formation of Christianity.

Oct 19, 2018 0:12:53 GMT mikec said:

Pssh, PW has been post-truth for a long time now. It’s how I got away with marrying my own alter-account.

Oct 19, 2018 0:19:44 GMT @ness said:

The fact that we don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg, is clearly all the proof we need of a God...

Perhaps my two favorite posts in here. Loving the back and forth between iNCY and non-believers, but gotta holla at my boyz mikec and @ness for the unexpected but super-appreciated :LOL: chuckles.

Oct 19, 2018 13:57:12 GMT System said:

iNCY isn’t Jesus Christ recorded in a census? I remember someone telling me that in school.

I did a quick Google and found info on the Gospel of Luke speaking of a Census, but again, that’s the circular logic I’ve been pointing out.

I believe in Allah.

That’s not even me being funny. There’s times I’ve prayed for things in a time of need and was helped. A lot of things I was helped through were from my belief in it. True or fiction, I believe it and I love believing in it.

Oct 22, 2018 5:01:29 GMT KING KID said:

I believe in Allah.

That’s not even me being funny. There’s times I’ve prayed for things in a time of need and was helped. A lot of things I was helped through were from my belief in it. True or fiction, I believe it and I love believing in it.

How do you (or anyone, I'm not just picking on you) balance doing things you know go against the teaching of Allah? Do you believe that knowingly committing sin because you want to is something one can earnestly request forgiveness for?

I don’t expect forgiveness for sins. Believe me, I’ve sinned a lot. I also strongly believe in the “We’re only human” motto.

Oct 22, 2018 16:20:53 GMT KING KID said:

I don’t expect forgiveness for sins. Believe me, I’ve sinned a lot. I also strongly believe in the “We’re only human” motto.

Human. Those modern humans that first began to evolve nearly 200,000 years ago?

Yeah, we'll have a debate on evolution v religion.

I ain’t trying to get into no evolution vs science argument. I was saying as a human being, we make mistakes. We do shit. You live, you learn and then you get Luvs.

That was my whole argument.

Oct 23, 2018 13:26:18 GMT KING KID said:

I ain’t trying to get into no evolution vs science argument. I was saying as a human being, we make mistakes. We do shit. You live, you learn and then you get Luvs.

That was my whole argument.

I get that mentality and I tend to agree. However it’s very much a contrary viewpoint to your religion (and Christianity) which demands you behave in accordance with its teachings. Your approach doesn’t on surface-level show any reverence to that lifestyle.

Oct 23, 2018 13:28:21 GMT KJ said:

Oct 23, 2018 13:26:18 GMT KING KID said:

I ain’t trying to get into no evolution vs science argument. I was saying as a human being, we make mistakes. We do shit. You live, you learn and then you get Luvs.

That was my whole argument.

I get that mentality and I tend to agree. However it’s very much a contrary viewpoint to your religion (and Christianity) which demands you behave in accordance with its teachings. Your approach doesn’t on surface-level show any reverence to that lifestyle.

I get what you’re saying. I never said I was a perfect Muslim. I go to the Mosque once or twice a year. More if a close relative dies and we go there to mourn. I haven’t fasted for Ramadan since I started smoking cigarettes. I drink, I was a huge pot head, I love slapping my cock against big titties, but that doesn’t mean I can’t be a believer in my religion or Allah.

Outside of all the bias and Christianity stuff, let me put something in there on history. Jesus, in his time on the planet was not famous. Little documentation of him would have likely existed.

He was a well-educated son of a construction company owner who worked as a foreman for his father and lead projects and was well connected. But nothing of consequence until a hundred years later when the fantastical stories of his mythical miracles became popular.

As a hard-nosed atheist, I thoroughly believe Jesus walked the earth but I go by the Paul Verhooven model of Christ. Likely a product of rape from a palace guard. Not a joke, not meant to be inflammatory. Not trolling. That is the prevailing theory he presents.