Too effective as in, needs to be regulated.  Not lying but just too compelling.  So much so, that they remove enough of your agency or free will that you are a victim.  Using your full array of senses against you.  We accept sight and sound and in some instances smell as forms of trying to compel sales of products.  We now have AI and millions of points of data on your information sophisticated algorithms and such.  

We guard children from some adverts as they are too compelled.  Should we guard others?  The developmentally disabled.  Older people?

Some products are limited in their ability to be compelling like tobacco and alcohol.  Should more?

Is the nature of the business a reason to limit advertising power.  Should we let charities who do good have free will to attack your agency and compel you to give no matter what because they are for the good?

Aug 1, 2019 14:55:51 GMT theend said:

Too effective as in, needs to be regulated.  Not lying but just too compelling.  So much so, that they remove enough of your agency or free will that you are a victim.  Using your full array of senses against you.  We accept sight and sound and in some instances smell as forms of trying to compel sales of products.  We now have AI and millions of points of data on your information sophisticated algorithms and such.  

We guard children from some adverts as they are too compelled.  Should we guard others?  The developmentally disabled.  Older people?

Some products are limited in their ability to be compelling like tobacco and alcohol.  Should more?

Is the nature of the business a reason to limit advertising power.  Should we let charities who do good have free will to attack your agency and compel you to give no matter what because they are for the good?

Interesting question and proposition.

Who decides on the regulations? Who regulates the regulators?

Do you have any examples of too effective advertising that currently exist? Would be curious to test my free will.

Having just watched They Live for the first time, I'm on edge about all of this but also feel like it's impossible to combat.

Resistance is futile; we've all already been assimilated.

The best we can probably hope for is that this is all just a simulation, and we're just bits in it.

🤯, I know they had the old subliminal adverts that were regulated. I personally feel the mind is only somewhat subject to this type of bombardment. This question for me came from a podcast I listened to that started with Dunkin Donuts spraying the smell of coffee on buses.

www.americaninno.com/boston/dunkin-donuts-sprays-the-smell-of-coffee-onto-buses-to-increase-sales-video/


It starts there as scent is very primal and compelling and arguably physically more penetrative than light and sound as it is particles up the nose and harder to overall ignore. We all probably vary on being susceptible to such charms. As technology advances, we are reaching some sort of dystopian sci-fi possibilities where advertisers are more direct connect to you and your brain. The question kind of became is there a limit?

The podcast if you want to dive in deep.

open.spotify.com/show/7yTIvAL0E6VanWeJx6dta1

I generally dislike advertising. It's basically become an arms race for the best and sneakiest ways to manipulate people, usually for the best interests of the companies and not for the masses. It's not the product that matters, it's the marketing.

That said, it's hardly the worst thing in the world. Advertising can be great to make people aware of great products or deals they wouldn't otherwise be aware of. But advertising tends to be dominated by the big brands. The names everybody already knows about, who take up advertisement space just so the lesser known competitors don't get a look in.

Actually now that I think about it, McDonald's latest TV spot gets me to effectively crave a quarter pounder every time it comes on.

I'd LOVE to smell DD coffee all day everywhere.

Maybe I've got no free will. Wonder if I had any ever? Hard to say as a kid. Then I got married young. Maybe I'm just a conduit for others to impose upon and act via.

🤯,I thought a great example was Cinnabon. I never want Cinnabon. Walking past and smelling Cinnabon makes me want Cinnabon. If I were in an environment where Cinnabon scent was in the air I bet I would fine me some Cinnabon.

I also determined that if my wife was to come home smelling like a restaurant Cinnabon would be the preferred restaurant for me.

There must be evidence that it works but I'm not convinced by the effectiveness of internet targeted advertising where you get a weeks worth of ads for something you've google searched or talked about to someone in hearing reach of your phone. Just because I have a conversation with someone in the lunchroom at work about the best donut flavour doesn't mean I'm going to run across the road and buy a 20 pack because you put it in my Instagram feed straight after. If anything I feel like I go out of my way to avoid a company/brand that does that because (although I'm not doing anything to ramp up my privacy - the Russians already have all my metadata) I find it an invasion.

Charities that block the only entry/exit points are annoying af, especially considering 99% of charities are scams anyway.

Aug 1, 2019 18:40:34 GMT theend said:

🤯,I thought a great example was Cinnabon. I never want Cinnabon. Walking past and smelling Cinnabon makes me want Cinnabon. If I were in an environment where Cinnabon scent was in the air I bet I would fine me some Cinnabon.

I also determined that if my wife was to come home smelling like a restaurant Cinnabon would be the preferred restaurant for me.

I'm drinking DD right now. I'm going to blame you.

Also, if Wife smelled like Cinnabon, I'd probably get brought up on charges of cannibalism.