Jun 21, 2020 23:27:52 GMT cig said:

Jun 21, 2020 23:26:55 GMT System said:

alleged
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said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.

con·text
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the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
"the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"

Even unverified, It’s a direct quote.


What is your point other than keep trying to turn any criticism of the game into a political thread?

Jun 21, 2020 23:44:31 GMT System said:

Jun 21, 2020 23:27:52 GMT cig said:

con·text
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the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
"the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"

Even unverified, It’s a direct quote.


What is your point other than keep trying to turn any criticism of the game into a political thread?

You are the one who posted a super low user review score on Meta as reason for it being "one of the most disappointing games" ever and I posted why that was the case. And it was you who made it political first when you posted this bullshit.

This is what happens when you let a small vocal minority dictate your creative choices.
Same thing happened to Battlefield V:

Get Woke, Go Broke.

Which you've passively been doubling down on throughout the thread.

Own up to your own shit dude.

Jun 21, 2020 23:58:42 GMT cig said:

Jun 21, 2020 23:44:31 GMT System said:

Even unverified, It’s a direct quote.


What is your point other than keep trying to turn any criticism of the game into a political thread?

You are the one who posted a super low user review score on Meta as reason for it being "one of the most disappointing games" ever and I posted why that was the case. And it was you who made it political first when you posted this bullshit.

This is what happens when you let a small vocal minority dictate your creative choices.
Same thing happened to Battlefield V:

Get Woke, Go Broke.

Which you've passively been doubling down on throughout the thread.

Own up to your own shit dude.

Because people were expressing their disappointment everywhere, including metacritic.

Battlefield V was a massive sales flop.

Again, what’s your point?

Seems like with all the Sony first party games they go down in price soon....especially with no multi-player in this. If this hits at 40 bucks go for it. I expect by black Friday esp with PS5 that this gets to 30.

Ghost of Tsihima might be more up your alley, that comes next month. Not sure of open world is your thing but it has the older Ancient Japanese setting and stealth seems big in that game.

1. That the game is indeed devisive. However, calling it one of the most disappointing games ever is disingenuous, given the huge praise it received from critics and which seems to be a majority of players

2. That we can acknowledge that there was a conspired effort from a fringe group with a agenda to lower the user review scores on sites. Plenty of evidence to back that up

And if we want to bring up sales as an indication that "going woke means going broke" than we can say that is simply not true, as TLOU2 is the fastest selling PS4 game in the UK ever.

Jun 22, 2020 0:11:58 GMT cig said:

1. That the game is indeed devisive. However, calling it one of the most disappointing games ever is disingenuous, given the huge praise it received from critics and which seems to be a majority of players

2. That we can acknowledge that there was a conspired effort from a fringe group with a agenda to lower the user review scores on sites. Plenty of evidence to back that up

And if we want to bring up sales as an indication that "going woke means going broke" than we can say that is simply not true, as TLOU2 is the fastest selling PS4 game in the UK ever.

You can’t go more than 2 posts anywhere without someone expressing their disappointment in the game, it can’t be divisive and critically acclaimed at the same time.

I don’t acknowledge that because it isn’t the case and is a cop out for any valid criticism of the game.

The people that pre-ordered the game and avoided spoilers were completely mislead as to what they were purchasing.

Jun 21, 2020 23:23:59 GMT cig said:

Jun 21, 2020 22:17:32 GMT c said:

What is the verdict on this? Should I plan on getting it or is this a pass? Seeing a lot of people disappointed in it.

I like it, Rogue likes it, Blindy seems mixed on it, Sandylea seems to not like it, System seems to not like it.

Critical acclaim is overflowing, it's getting a ton of love on Resetera and lots of hate on NeoGAF, and a majority of praise on Reddit, but it does have a entire subreddit seemingly devoted against it. The more casual audience, judging from the reviews on the PS store and Twitter, seem to overwhelmingly love it.

4Chan and it's connected communities despise it, so that sounds like a plus.

The first couple of hours I was really mixed on it but once we got to the gameplay and exploring the infected world, I can say it has gotten better and is on par with the first game. I think I liked the different sagas more in the first vs the 2 or 3 groups you face but I am only 9 hours in and will probably put a few more in tonight. The different sagas(Tess/Bill/Pittsburgh w the brothers/Utah w Tommy/Ellie vs David's Hunters AKA "Winter"/Fireflies) really had better pacing but I don't hate this direction either.

I didn't mean my opinion to be so pessimistic, just disagree with how they handled the most important character of the first game. But I get it, like in the first with Joel's girl dying it transformed Joel into a heartless bastard, this was meant to trigger Ellie into becoming ruthless when the going gets tough.

Jun 22, 2020 0:17:01 GMT System said:

Jun 22, 2020 0:11:58 GMT cig said:

1. That the game is indeed devisive. However, calling it one of the most disappointing games ever is disingenuous, given the huge praise it received from critics and which seems to be a majority of players

2. That we can acknowledge that there was a conspired effort from a fringe group with a agenda to lower the user review scores on sites. Plenty of evidence to back that up

And if we want to bring up sales as an indication that "going woke means going broke" than we can say that is simply not true, as TLOU2 is the fastest selling PS4 game in the UK ever.

You can’t go more than 2 posts anywhere without someone expressing their disappointment in the game, it can’t be divisive and critically acclaimed at the same time.

I don’t acknowledge that because it isn’t the case and is a cop out for any valid criticism of the game.

The people that pre-ordered the game and avoided spoilers were completely mislead as to what they were purchasing.

To avoid any more political discourse for now, I'm just going to respond to two points.

A game can absolutely be critically acclaimed and devisive. It has a 96 on Meta, it's one of the best reviewed games of this console generation by critics, which is what is meant by my saying it's critically acclaimed. It can be devisive among it's playerbase, non-critics.

How were they mislead?

Jun 22, 2020 0:22:00 GMT Blindy said:

Jun 21, 2020 23:23:59 GMT cig said:

I like it, Rogue likes it, Blindy seems mixed on it, Sandylea seems to not like it, System seems to not like it.

Critical acclaim is overflowing, it's getting a ton of love on Resetera and lots of hate on NeoGAF, and a majority of praise on Reddit, but it does have a entire subreddit seemingly devoted against it. The more casual audience, judging from the reviews on the PS store and Twitter, seem to overwhelmingly love it.

4Chan and it's connected communities despise it, so that sounds like a plus.

The first couple of hours I was really mixed on it but once we got to the gameplay and exploring the infected world, I can say it has gotten better and is on par with the first game. I think I liked the different sagas more in the first vs the 2 or 3 groups you face but I am only 9 hours in and will probably put a few more in tonight. 

I didn't mean my opinion to be so pessimistic, just disagree with how they handled the most important character of the first game. But I get it, like in the first with Joel's girl dying it transformed Joel into a heartless bastard, this was meant to trigger Ellie into becoming ruthless when the going gets tough.

Glad you are liking it more. I'm about 6 hours in now and am really digging the open world as well. Lots of things to find in it, and plenty of space to sneak around enemies. Beautiful to look at too. And man...the sounds. Headphones are an absolute must if you have a pair guys, but be warned, given the brutal nature of the action, it gets a bit grim to listen to.

BTW what is the difficulty everybody is playing on?

Thought about Survivor but I tried that in TLOU1 in my FEB 2020 run of it and didn't care for it. Get spotted too easily by runners and clickers where even crouching is difficult. So I stuck with hard with limited use of vision mode, the first game I didn't use it at all but then again I knew what I was doing. This is brand new so I have used vision mode here or there.

I think hard is perfect. CANNOT WAIT to see people tackle this on Grounded, that is an unforgiving mode.

Jun 22, 2020 0:28:56 GMT Blindy said:

BTW what is the difficulty everybody is playing on?

Thought about Survivor but I tried that in TLOU1 in my FEB 2020 run of it and didn't care for it. So I stuck with hard with limited use of vision mode, the first game I didn't use it at all but then again I knew what I was doing. This is brand new so I have used vision mode here or there.

Hard as well. I like having to consider my resources and having to take a stealth approach.

I don't hate myself enough to go above that though.

Jun 22, 2020 0:22:45 GMT cig said:

Jun 22, 2020 0:17:01 GMT System said:

You can’t go more than 2 posts anywhere without someone expressing their disappointment in the game, it can’t be divisive and critically acclaimed at the same time.

I don’t acknowledge that because it isn’t the case and is a cop out for any valid criticism of the game.

The people that pre-ordered the game and avoided spoilers were completely mislead as to what they were purchasing.

To avoid any more political discourse for now, I'm just going to respond to two points.

A game can absolutely be critically acclaimed and devisive. It has a 96 on Meta, it's one of the best reviewed games of this console generation by critics, which is what is meant by my saying it's critically acclaimed. It can be devisive among it's playerbase, non-critics.

How were they mislead?

I thought Metacritic isn’t credible in your eyes?

There’s trailers and footage of the game that show Joel in a part of the game he isn’t actually in while keeping one of the characters you actually play as hidden.

I am about 3 hours into the game. I have to say that I am enjoying it so far. As others have said, gameplay and graphics are great. I dig some of the little additions/tweaks made to the gameplay as well. I was spoiled to the big plot points by my best friend when everything first leaked. Even though I didn't particularly like the spoilers, it intrigued me so much that I played TLOU again and beat it in 4 days and then ordered the collectors edition of TLOU2. I still do not like the scene involving Joel. I'm okay with the decision they made; just not the route they took. While I may not like every aspect of the story, I'm past that now and I am having fun exploring the landscapes and different towns and encountering the infected.

Jun 22, 2020 0:39:36 GMT @theshow said:

I am about 3 hours into the game. I have to say that I am enjoying it so far. As others have said, gameplay and graphics are great. I dig some of the little additions/tweaks made to the gameplay as well. I was spoiled to the big plot points by my best friend when everything first leaked. Even though I didn't particularly like the spoilers, it intrigued me so much that I played TLOU again and beat it in 4 days and then ordered the collectors edition of TLOU2. I still do not like the scene involving Joel. I'm okay with the decision they made; just not the route they took. While I may not like every aspect of the story, I'm past that now and I am having fun exploring the landscapes and different towns and encountering the infected.

Exactly like me. Right on Show. 

Jun 22, 2020 0:31:24 GMT System said:

Jun 22, 2020 0:22:45 GMT cig said:

To avoid any more political discourse for now, I'm just going to respond to two points.

A game can absolutely be critically acclaimed and devisive. It has a 96 on Meta, it's one of the best reviewed games of this console generation by critics, which is what is meant by my saying it's critically acclaimed. It can be devisive among it's playerbase, non-critics.

How were they mislead?

I thought Metacritic isn’t credible in your eyes?

There’s trailers and footage of the game that show Joel in a part of the game he isn’t actually in while keeping one of the characters you actually play as hidden.

User scores (which again, began to be posted as soon as they went live, well before most had a chance to play or even watch a stream of the game) aren't critic scores. But fine, it has a 95 on the other big aggregate, OpenCritic.

They show Joel in the game and he was in the game. I haven't finished it yet, is it a MGS2 thing where they put him in a scene for a trailer that he's not actually a part of? I recall a scene from the trailer with him that I haven't seen in the game yet, but that could easily pop up during a flashback section or scene.

As far as playing as Abby goes, they never said you would only play as Ellie. Much like they never said you'd only play as Joel in the first.

Edit: So the "You'd think I'd let you do this on your own" scene is what you meant, it being Jesse and not Joel. I don't mind it, but you are technically correct, yes. If people are disappointed by that swerve, that's fair.

Okay so my curiosity got the better of me so I watched the two hour prologue. It brought back a lot of memories, namely that Joel was on borrowed time in the first game and cheated death to protect Ellie. In the opening, it seems like he's made his peace and effectively know he's on borrowed time. Even from the trailer, it always seemed like it was going to be Ellie's story and she was going to avenge something particularly traumatic, Joel's death would have easily been one of the best theories.

I haven't seen anymore, but it's going to take a mammoth effort to get most gamers to support Abby after that opening. That was a massive heel move and there doesn't appear to be anything overly charming about her character at the beginning.

I think the crowd pleasing move would have had Joel die, but go out in a blaze of glory John Marston style and that sets up the final chapter of the game where you get your revenge. I think the vast majority would have been fine with that, but I don't think it would have been overly memorable either. They've tried to do something incredibly shocking and it's going to take at least a week or two before we get a proper read into whether it was successful.

I put as much weight into critic reviews as user scores personally, especially with a game this politically charged. Too many critics concerned with being on the right side of history and putting too much emphasis on visuals. Vice versa, I've read so much criticism surrounding a sex scene, the synagogue scene and the Neil Druckmann insert spitting on Joel - really insignificant details that don't really detract from the game at all.

I just finished the game and I have mix feelings.

Jun 21, 2020 22:17:32 GMT c said:

What is the verdict on this? Should I plan on getting it or is this a pass? Seeing a lot of people disappointed in it.

lol seriously though, check it out. Its still a fun game.

I’m about 3 hours in and I fucking love this game. Even knowing some spoilers going in, nothing was ruined for me. The experience was still jaw dropping and brutal and everything the first game was for me.

I’m a scared, anxious, emotional wreck when I play this game and I love it. I don’t know what to expect next, as the major spoiler I got has already happened and the game just started.

Totally fucking awesome game and all the whiners can fuck off. This is going to be an unreal experience. I’m very happy with it so far.

And on that note I’m going away until I’m well enough into the game that I don’t care about spoilers anymore. Have fun.

Jun 23, 2020 4:40:09 GMT Da Gr8t I Is said:

I just finished the game and I have mix feelings.

I just got finished tonight, and it was pretty darn epic.  I need to think on it though, so won't be posting anything about it to let others get through and see what they think.

While some people may legitimately dislike the direction of the game, the troll bombing is definitely because of the LGBT stuff...clearly going to happen from the second the promo video that showed Ellie and Dina kissing got tsunami of hate. Watching videos/reading comments you'd think they game would be the epitome of SJW propaganda, decrying the patriarchy, promoting the feminist and gay agendas to the utmost degree, and letting you know that straight white men are the devil. In reality, it's all handled with quite a deft hand, comes off as entirely natural, as isn't trying to flaunt anything (nothing like the "LOOK IT'S ALL THE WOMEN!" moment from End Game). There's a trans character in there, it gets like 2 sentences worth of mention and just moves right the fuck on. Honestly, Naughty Dog tend to be the best at this, same thing over in Uncharted, a bunch of strong female characters everyone loves (except Nadine, because she was faster than Nate, and you just can't have an old retired treasure hunter not out maneuver a young currently active soldier), because they're written as great characters who just happen to be female, being female isn't a driving trait, they just are.

Just finished the game, and while there's certain things I wished happened, I'd still say it was a perfect compliment to the first. Rather than going for a pedophile cannibal, where the line is clear, we get a series of blurred lines and understandable circumstances all around. They are each the villains of each other's stories.

From a gameplay perspective, it improves upon the first in literally every possible way, not a single thing was done better in the first from a play perspective. The world is expertly crafted and the firefights or stealth endeavors or some times a little of both are truly engrossing. Enemies now patrol in twos, burst around corners, and regularly turn around while walking their routes just to fuck with you right when you got to get them, and not like other games where they just randomly know you're there and turn, but actually purposely pivot while continuing forward to keep things from sneaking up on them (though you just have to wait for them to pivot back). And while they can still be a bit daft at seeing you, once their onto you, they try to surround you and box you in. Oh, and if you rush towards them, they have near perfect aim, so you can't just bum rush like the last game. I was happy to see a few scenarios where you could use the infected offensively, like in Left Behind. See a group of soldiers? Hear a click? Toss a brick and enjoy the show.

The open/sprawling environments are a joy, just so many ways to tackle things, kill everybody, or just sneak right by (aside from some mandatory combat sections)...guns-a-blazing or slow and steady, your choice.

While I did think the story for the first was better, that's more of a high bar thing, as the story telling and story beats were still really satisfying here. One thing for me though, other than one late game horse ride...it doesn't quite have the moments like Joel/Ellie in the truck with a folk song blaring while they're getting attacked, or Winter in general. It was all very good, great even, but I can't say anything distinctively stuck out like some of my favorite moments from the first.

I'd say Arkham Asylum vs Arkham City, the first is definitely the more concise and directly delivered affair, while this is a sprawling epic that plays off everything that came before to perfection. All in all, I'd give it a 9/10, my biggest negeative being that the AI frequently didn't know when to get the fuck out of the way, which led to some bad situations for me, but nothing too major.

If I hadn't of got spoiled I would have bought this game, last of us was my all time favourite game probably just behind MGS.
But with all the leaks I really have no desire to spend my time investing in someone's sociological wet dream in a game that relies on cut scenes to move so much of the story along... So I think I will pass.

If I enjoyed the first one and the MGS franchise, are there any other games I should get over my steady stream of CoD and Battlefield?

Been taking it slowly, haven't had too much gaming time most days, and have been playing some Slay the Spire on Switch too, so I'm yet to finish it. I'm probably around the 3/4th mark...but two more quick opinions

1. This game is deserving of it's immense praise. It's spectacular.

2. I like Abby as much as Ellie in this game. Maybe more.

Forgot to update my thoughts on it....

So the first 3 or so hour I was super angry and hated everything. As I started playing it more I really loved the gameplay and how they updated it etc. playing it stealth style is super fun.

I got angry again when I was forced to play as Abby because she started saying that Joel deserved worse (like what bitch). But I actually really loved playing as Abby, she was an interesting character/background etc. I hated that she was a basically nothing character that killed my favourite character BUT it’s a good message to say all actions no matter how good your intent, has consequences. Abby goes through hell, loses heaps of people - basically was her revenge worth it? Then the exact same thing happens to Ellie, again - is the revenge worth it?

It’s a really decent moral/ethical questioning of what are you willing to lose for revenge. Because this could never end. As they say ‘an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind’.

I knew the ending before it happened and I was really angry about it, but when I got there it’s the only thing that really made sense. As they both came across as empty shells. If one was to die, I feel like they would lose the last of their humanity?

Loved the extra characters that got introduced. I do hate that Ellie comes off as a super bad character as she just easily kills anyone and has to kill the poor dogs which was super upsetting. But Abby gets to play with the dogs/sneak around up in the sky to avoid killing people. But yeah I was way too quick to hate this game, and there is really a lot to appreciate.

Finished the game last night , and that was one of the most satisfying and intense gaming experiences I've had in a long time. I refused to read reviews or anything going in because I didn't want my opinion to be swayed going in and I even eye rolled when the Abby half began but ultimately I enjoyed playing as her just as much as Ellie. Both were great and it was a fun and engrossing story.

Loved it and want to play through it again already.

UT's a gamer?

Holy shit!

Jun 30, 2020 16:39:06 GMT Emperor said:

UT's a gamer?

Holy shit!

Not as much anymore , unless a game really grabs me. The original LOU is one of my favorite games ever so I replayed it again before this release and bought LOU2 the day it came out.

Did the same for most Resident Evil drops. If Uncharted had a new game I’d do the same as well. Otherwise Horizon Zero Dawn was a curiosity buy and I loved it. Also same for the Evil Within series and I’m a sheep who buys all the Maddens.

So I just finished this game after weeks of just putting this game on the barnburner out of pure fatigue, the game runs on about 5-7 hours too long IMHO. If the final encounter was between the two in a cat & mouse like at the theater I would have been satisfied but they had to then carry it on and introduce a brand new enemy type(Rattler) that you know absolutely nothing about. Are they ex police militia? Petty thieves? Seraphites had some story drawn into why they do what they do, you got to see the WLF first hand under Abby. But these guys? They force people to do hard labor to get around and what else? Do they recruit people ala WLF? You are introduced to these guys for about 90 mins and poof gone. No leader(I thought Dog the Bounty Hunter would be their commando) or it's a all rules all sort of deal? Ex fireflies or was that just a rouse pulled on Abby. Yara and Lev really don't have much barring and I am surprised they carried Lev throughout the entire game. I know they want to show Seraphites can leave and start to question the morality of them but to have these characters for almost 1/4 of the game was pretty random.

The ending seems unsatisfying and makes that final fight seem meaningless. If anything Ellie is the weak one for fighting a malnutrition Abby and she comes off as unlikable. Abby seemed pretty unlikable throughout the game with the cheating with Owen, Tommy became absolutely devoid of personality and seemed absolutely out of his mind, Ellie bails on her girlfriend/wife to continue on and she even loses her and the baby, Ellie loses two fingers for no real reason, Abby is all slashed up, like so bad. I was so unsatisfied with the ending but I might be alone on that boat.

The gameplay was alright, I just think it prolongs on too long for my liking. I played the first one and took a minor break but I really wanted to just finish the sequel just to see the story tbh. I know they had to make it a hearty campaign with no multiplayer, I just didn't care for the pacing. The first one you had different sagas and I think it was done much better where characters had their own 2-3 hours of shine and story before you move onto the next tale. This one just rotates all around

Just an alright game IMHO, I really wanted to be gripped and blown away. They went away entirely from the bits of open world with the horse too, wonder why they never allowed you to do similar side content again after that? It became linear like the first game immediately after that.