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Post by 🤯 on Jun 22, 2020 3:34:57 GMT
THAT is the question
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Post by KING KID on Jun 22, 2020 3:36:41 GMT
Circumcise at birth.
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 22, 2020 3:38:00 GMT
That's one vote anti smegma snuffleupagus
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Post by thereallt on Jun 22, 2020 3:49:15 GMT
Unless you are Jewish there is no reason for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 3:51:54 GMT
Don't disadvantage him from the start.
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Post by nazzer on Jun 22, 2020 4:01:44 GMT
Fun fact, the three countries with the highest rate of circumsision are also three leading countries in erectile dysfunction rates and viagra. You do the math.
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 22, 2020 4:11:59 GMT
Unless you are Jewish there is no reason for it. Don't disadvantage him from the start. Can't tell if these are pro or anti posts. Fun fact, the three countries with the highest rate of circumsision are also three leading countries in erectile dysfunction rates and viagra. You do the math. Which three?
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Post by nazzer on Jun 22, 2020 4:36:14 GMT
I believe its usa, Philippines and Israel.
Pretty interesting/alarming data point that I would think people would consider.
But then again, heaven forbid anyone talk about sexual health.
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Post by nazzer on Jun 22, 2020 4:43:21 GMT
I believe its usa, Philippines and Israel. Pretty interesting/alarming data point that I would think people would consider. But then again, heaven forbid anyone talk about sexual health. theend get in here, speak on your topic.
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Post by iron maiden on Jun 22, 2020 4:52:47 GMT
There is no medical reason to circumcise, it’s usually an esthetic or religious reason for why people do. However, there are cases where it becomes necessary after the fact. My friends’ current bf has to be circumcised at 30 because when he gets an erection his foreskin is too tight and it becomes painful for him. Also, when I worked in medical a few of the cases were of boys/their parents not cleaning it properly leading to infection and worse, but that’s simply education. One case I remember was two brothers horseing around and the ones’ foreskin got torn leading him to get circumcised at 8 years. Still the percentage of issues is low I would think.
That being said, if I’d had a son, I would have circumcised him.
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Post by c on Jun 22, 2020 4:55:26 GMT
I am team genital mutilation. Prevents STI, UTI and some types of cancer. Snip it and get it over with now, rather than risk doing it as an adult and suffering greatly. Those who do have problems as an adult tend to have pretty bad ones. Usually involving infections that threaten risk people losing their penis as a whole.
Africa has the highest rates of circumcision since they use it to prevent HIV there.
Most of the anti-circumcision crap is because of the revivalism of Zionism in western civ. As people start to trash Jews more circumcision becomes more of a hot topic.
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Post by c on Jun 22, 2020 5:00:59 GMT
Do the right thing and make him into a proper Coin Operated Goi:
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Post by nazzer on Jun 22, 2020 5:06:30 GMT
Africa has the highest rates of circumcision since they use it to prevent HIV there. The study that led people to believe circumcision leads to reduced rates of HIV occurrence is incredibly flawed. Let's talk about the experiment. They had two groups of adults (not children) whom they compared for the purpose of the study. One group of adults remained intact and the other had adult circumcision done to them. The study then tracked the rate of occurrence of HIV in these two groups of men. Except they started the date of tracking from the moment the circumcisions were performed on the adult men. Now I don't know how you wish for your imagination to run wild for you, but I hope you could agree that any man that has an adult circumcision is not going out and having sex any time soon. So of course the intact men were out having sex, and there is a simply a higher statistical likelihood they will contract more STDs/HIV because they were doing the sex more. Add to this the fact they provided information about safe sex only to those men able to visit the clinic on a regular basis, and the men who received adult circumcisions were told to stay home and recover so they did not receive as much safe sex education. Massively flawed experiment which is unfortunately wrongfully quoted for so long since then. Cutting a part of the penis off does not magically stop it from contracting an STD.
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Post by c on Jun 22, 2020 5:32:10 GMT
The higher concentration of Langerhans cells in the foreskin act as a receptor for infections and viruses. Latest meta-analysis found a reduction in HIV associated with circumcision. Used over 50 studies. Objections to doing this safe medical procedure at birth are not scientific at all. If there is any preventive plus side, with nearly no risk, it results in a net gain.
I find most people obsessed with this have weird obsession with their dicks. For people not obsessed with the look of their dick, ditching the foreskin means less risk of dick related problems. Same reason we remove other useless organs.
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Post by nazzer on Jun 22, 2020 5:38:31 GMT
The higher concentration of Langerhans cells in the foreskin act as a receptor for infections and viruses. Latest meta-analysis found a reduction in HIV associated with circumcision. Used over 50 studies. Objections to doing this safe medical procedure at birth are not scientific at all. If there is any preventive plus side, with nearly no risk, it results in a net gain. I find most people obsessed with this have weird obsession with their dicks. For people not obsessed with the look of their dick, ditching the foreskin means less risk of dick related problems. Same reason we remove other useless organs. I wish I could be right all the time like you.
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Post by iNCY on Jun 22, 2020 7:19:07 GMT
The higher concentration of Langerhans cells in the foreskin act as a receptor for infections and viruses. Latest meta-analysis found a reduction in HIV associated with circumcision. Used over 50 studies. Objections to doing this safe medical procedure at birth are not scientific at all. If there is any preventive plus side, with nearly no risk, it results in a net gain. I find most people obsessed with this have weird obsession with their dicks. For people not obsessed with the look of their dick, ditching the foreskin means less risk of dick related problems. Same reason we remove other useless organs. I think exactly the same about the obsession. I'm circumcised and I'm not fussed that I am and wouldn't be fussed if I wasn't. Maybe most of the angst comes from the ideals that are in porn. If I had a son I would have had a decision to make and it really only would have been for aesthetic reasons if I did it and really I probably wouldn't have. When I asked my wives friends they all seem to have strong opinions, but I expect a lot of those opinions are based on their experience with the person than their dick. There are similar trends with women now obsessing over their labia, honestly I can't say that it is even something I have an opinion on, it doesn't matter at all.
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Post by @admin on Jun 22, 2020 7:38:06 GMT
The aesthetic thing is pretty weird to me considering an uncircumcised dick looks the same when it's hard. It's kinda like if you were adamant that Usain Bolt wasn't a fast runner because he walked leisurely around the supermarket.
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Post by Strobe on Jun 22, 2020 7:52:46 GMT
As someone with a foreskin, I cannot imagine not having it. So I am biased from the off. The idea of putting my infant son through any sort of elective procedure that could, however incredibly small of a chance, result in their death has me very against it. Especially when the argument has typically been an aesthetic or general cleanliness one. But if there are genuine reductions in STIs and cancers, then that is definitely a legitimate argument to be had. We should allow data to win out over our "feelings" and biases, even if that can be difficult. If circumcision helps reduce the risk of contracting HIV, it makes sense to me that it would become almost a no-brainer in places with high HIV rates and low condom use. What are the numbers, c? Convince me. What is the chance of contracting these STIs in the States for example and what is the reduction? Same question for penile cancer. What are the chances of complications from circumcision?
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Post by c on Jun 22, 2020 8:12:41 GMT
Yeah I would say it does not matter, but every few weeks there is a story on reddit involving someone with an infection or injury because of the foreskin or issues with a child getting not taking care of their dicks properly because of the foreskin. Seems like a lot of problems that happen needlessly. Add in that it is receptive to STI's with a 30% increase in infection rate, and a crazy 90 percent reduction in UTI rates like, why keep it when the sole benefit seems to be appearance, cost of procedure and a tiny chance of post surgical complication.
I dug deep into the lit a few years back and the pro-cut side states the reduction in risk from getting it done with the main drawback for children being pain and a small chance of infection as it heals. The anti-cut sides claims things like the child cannot consent, risks can be minimized with perfect hygiene, people subjective feel better when it is not done and downright weird stuff like cut men have no sensation during sex or the penis becomes scaley and starts to cut open women during sex two things that clearly is not the case in America at least. Men could not feel sex or have dick scales no one would be cut here. Sometimes the lit brings up the relationship between male sexual problems and the and rate of circumcision in countries, but when you add obesity into the mix circumcision becomes a non-factor.
It me it just seems like needless risk and extra thing to make sure your kid cleans. Seems like a no brainer that it should be cut.
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Post by c on Jun 22, 2020 8:24:19 GMT
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Post by theend on Jun 22, 2020 13:11:40 GMT
Do not cut. Unless you are going to cut it all off. I mean, then you dodge all the problems C talked about and more.
You want to talk needless risk. Over 100 and up to 200+ babies (depending on the study) needlessly die in America due to circ. Babies lose their dick all together due to botched ones. Crooked and painful dicks galore. So, if it is worth the risk to dodge a cancer that is rare and only men over 100 get. By all means, cut it off yourself.
The rate of procedure-related complications during and after circumcision in the neonate is approximately 2 to 6 per 1000.
Even if you include those obscure risks of STI you can educate your child and let them decide at that age. You aren't preventing anything by risking killing your kid on the barbaric circ table by getting it done before they can decide.
There is so much BS language about obsessed about their dicks and arbitrary sex feels better. Nothing arbitrary about the way your OG dick was designed and more nerves. Now, to be fair, some men who have not been circumcised can have painful erections because their foreskin is too tight. They can have elective surgery to have this rectified after they negotiate the risk.
Check out the Netflix doc on the subject. There is minimal to no talk about aesthetics. The reasons not to circ are common and sensible. Circumcision is sexual assault.
Circumcision is a topic I have researched extensively for years. Ask @mike c . No, I am not obsessed with my dick. Your mom is. My dick is pretty fucking cool. But c'mon, obsessed? What kind of subtle trolling are you meekly trying to pull?
No reason to circ. No good or convincing argument to circ. Absolutely pointless, should be banned unilaterally and universally. It's barbaric and should be a relic. Should be as obvious as this. Look at the rest of the world.
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 22, 2020 13:25:04 GMT
Why is circumcision so prevalent among the Jewish then? What are its origins, how did it spread to become so popular, and why has it persisted so long? theend, appreciate you coming in and dropping your thoughts on this. Had no idea you had such a passionate strong stance on this, or that you'd researched it extensively. If it's not too personal to pry, what prompted this passion and deep dive research? Do you have kids/sons and had to consider this at some point in your past? Just a passion project? Feels like an interesting topic to be all-in on without a specific prompt. Just curious. Overall, I feel like Western society or at least USA is so squeamish when it comes to real talk on dicks... It's no surprise lots of misconceptions prevail, people are uncomfortable discussing, call discussions "obsessions", etc.
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Post by sandylea on Jun 22, 2020 13:28:58 GMT
Imma say no.
But for the love of god, learn to clean it. Men are hopeless with this haha
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Post by iNCY on Jun 22, 2020 13:30:40 GMT
Why is circumcision so prevalent among the Jewish then? What are its origins, how did it spread to become so popular, and why has it persisted so long? Seriously bro? It's in the Torah. You can't be a jewish male without visiting chop town.
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 22, 2020 13:37:45 GMT
Imma say no. But for the love of god, learn to clean it. Men are hopeless with this haha Knowing men don't keep shit clean, my gut feeling is smegma is more likely to be a reality than not if uncut. Why is circumcision so prevalent among the Jewish then? What are its origins, how did it spread to become so popular, and why has it persisted so long? Seriously bro? It's in the Torah. You can't be a jewish male without visiting chop town. Lump the Torah in with the Quran and Bible and Harry Potter 2-7 as books I've never read. So does that mean Jesus was cut? I assume that's how the tradition spread to Christianity then? Be like the Messiah, from head to toe to head.
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Post by iNCY on Jun 22, 2020 13:42:29 GMT
Yes, Jesus would have complied to all the Jewish rules at the time. Later on though it makes it clear that there is no need for Christians to be circumcised.
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Post by iNCY on Jun 22, 2020 13:42:56 GMT
Double post
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Post by 🤯 on Jun 22, 2020 13:47:20 GMT
What reason does the Torah give for circumcision? Cleanliness is next to godliness? Or more of a physical sacrifice like Abraham offering his firstborn?
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Post by iNCY on Jun 22, 2020 13:48:50 GMT
What reason does the Torah give for circumcision? Cleanliness is next to godliness? Or more of a physical sacrifice like Abraham offering his firstborn? It's more of a covenant thing, like they were committing to being Gods.
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Post by theend on Jun 22, 2020 13:53:25 GMT
Trivia to note. An old school Jewish circ is much less skin being hacked off than a current circ. An old school Jewish circ is one where they just cut off what extends beyond the head and a little more. Exposing just a bit of the head/glans. Not the whole effing thing.
Go ahead get personal, but unfortunately, it's only shallow. I have no kids. Not in my future either. I can't say I can strongly put a finger or dick on what got me into it. I get fixed on a lot of topics and research the snot out of them. Not the smegma. I know more about some subjects than anyone should. Freaking dork in me.
My earliest memories of diving down the rabbit hole on it is more on the shock of brutality of it. Then came the difference between the US and the rest of the world. Then came the consent angle. Then came the risk vs reward in terms of botches. And so on. Most of this was earlier days of the internet. Not incel, MRA or reddit type of thing. Before I knew what any of that shit was.
Literally, the thread where I disrupted Mike C on the topic was on the first PW Off Topic we had. Early days of the PW message board.
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