Just realised I never bothered to have any fighting arcade games which is surprising as I’ve played a lot of them, I just get bored quickly.
Used to enjoy playing Street Fighter but System just constantly kicked my ass so now I kinda hate it lol

Anyone play any of the later Street Fighter games? They brought in some new gimmicks like super special combo moves and I don't know what else. Thoughts?

I dabbled a little bit in 3 and 4, but the SF franchise never grabbed me like Mortal Kombat.

Course I'm a weirdo that plays fighting games for the story. And I know SF has one, but...

Didn't play 3 much because it came toward the end of the arcade era.
I played 4 a decent amount maybe more then I played 2.
And here is one of may favorite online matches from 5.

Jul 31, 2020 11:44:42 GMT Emperor said:

Anyone play any of the later Street Fighter games? They brought in some new gimmicks like super special combo moves and I don't know what else. Thoughts?

System is the best person to ask

Jul 31, 2020 11:44:42 GMT Emperor said:

Anyone play any of the later Street Fighter games? They brought in some new gimmicks like super special combo moves and I don't know what else. Thoughts?

Super Street Fighter IV was absolutely amazing, one of the best fighting games ever made.
The Focus Attack Dash Cancelling system was a bit complex but that’s the only downside.

Street Fighter V‘S gameplay is great but was only passing for a full game since Champion Edition.

Wait... I still don't understand why Doom is more significant than Wolfenstein 3D then. This feels like a besmirchment.

Aug 1, 2020 21:54:27 GMT 🤯 said:

Wait... I still don't understand why Doom is more significant than Wolfenstein 3D then. This feels like a besmirchment.

One influenced gets blamed for mass shootings as the go-to in the violent vidya argument and the other does not.

Gonna assume it just grabbed the masses more?

So since we are down another 5 do we get an updated list.

I saw Doom at my cousin house who told me how great it was. Didn't get into that type of game until Unreal Tournament.

Aug 1, 2020 21:54:27 GMT 🤯 said:

Wait... I still don't understand why Doom is more significant than Wolfenstein 3D then. This feels like a besmirchment.

I thought I explained it pretty well. What specifically don't you understand?

Aug 1, 2020 22:57:53 GMT X-zero said:

So since we are down another 5 do we get an updated list.

Aug 1, 2020 23:57:28 GMT Emperor said:

Aug 1, 2020 21:54:27 GMT 🤯 said:

Wait... I still don't understand why Doom is more significant than Wolfenstein 3D then. This feels like a besmirchment.

I thought I explained it pretty well. What specifically don't you understand?

Aug 1, 2020 22:57:53 GMT X-zero said:

So since we are down another 5 do we get an updated list.

I guess I just keep getting stumbled up by that old fallacy "first doesn't mean best" or, in this case, most significant. Although I'm struggling with what significance is, I think. If Wolfenstein 3D inspired Doom, isn't Doom's significance owed to Wolfenstein 3D? Or is that being to silly, as then you could stretch that to say Fortnite's significance is owed to Pong?

I think it's just safe to say you can and likely should ignore my posts in this thread.

I was on the same wavelength as 🤯. Doom was my introduction to the genre, but the first thing you learn about Doom is that it's actually a spiritual successor to Wolfenstein. It's like Super Mario Bros 2 - one of those things people just have to be upfront about. I didn't realise it innovated multiplayer. My knowledge on LAN or PC multiplayer is very vague, but I presumed it was Quake that did it from second hand experience. I've never actually sat down and played through Doom from start to finish, it's something I should do at some point but after Goldeneye the whole run and gun design just felt so archaic to me. I preferred the mission and story-based designs that followed, which is why I gave both a shout out since the FPS genre is so massive these days.

Defining significance is a tricky business. The direction my source is taking is any kind of impact on the video game industry, not limited to pure gameplay or influencing other video games. External factors like distribution method, popularising a particular method of experiencing video games (PC and LAN gaming in Doom's case), or simply capturing the video game culture of the moment (which is I suppose what they were going for with Manic Miner...) can be enough.

It so happened that Doom ticked all the boxes, while Wolfenstein 3D only ticked some of them. Wolfenstein 3D was hugely significant in itself, being the first of its kind and defining that style of gameplay. But, just like Street Fighter and Street Fighter II, sometimes being the first isn't enough.

There's a reason Quake and Unreal Tournament are called Doom clones and not Wolfenstein clones. Doom is the game that defined the format, even more than the game that came before it. It was Doom's success that generated the demand for people to go out and make their own versions of Doom. Wolfenstein 3D was not quite on that level.

I do feel that both games are extremely significant, but if we're only picking one game to represent the genesis of the FPS genre, it has to be Doom.

Yeah, I keep circling back to the writeup and just had no idea there even was an ability to do multilayer Doom or mod it. That's insane! I feel like I was robbed as a kid. Both those aspects, especially if Wolfenstein 3D lacked them, are crazy influential/significant.

I'll contest the introduction of a scary atmosphere though. Wolfenstein 3D felt eerie and scary as fuck to kiddie me. Hell, even certain levels of Duke Nukem and Commander Keen scared me a bit.

Lastly, I'll definitely concede not understanding significance to the whole picture. I think I was thinking too narrowly in terms of game play. Broader impacts on the industry and beyond make things make more sense with that context.

I've never played Wolfenstein 3D so can't speak to its atmosphere. Doom is definitely scary as fuck at times. Like an interactive horror movie.

I have extremely fond, albeit very fuzzy, memories of playing Doom LAN parties as a kid. I don't really remember how it happened. Something revolving around my mother doing some choir/musical work with a group of people in another city. We drove down to that city, and to keep all the kids occupied they set us up with Doom on LAN. Needless to say, the kids were occupied until they were dragged kicking and screaming from the PCs. One of my fondest video game memories.

Must have been less than 10 years old at the time, which brings into question the decision making of the adults who set up that environment. Come to think of it, that may be where my obsession with dark subject matter, horror fiction and heavy metal was born. If that's true, then Doom is the #1 most significant video game in my life.

THE TABLE

Big Pete	6
PI	4
Sandylea	4
System	7
X-zero	5
Lionheart	7
RT	6

Everyone listed Super Mario Bros. and Tetris, well done! We are not going to see any more games that were named by everyone, so things are going to get more interesting from here.

Nobody listed The Secret of Monkey Island. No surprises there.

Street Fighter II and Doom were more interesting.

🤯 and sandylea named neither, 🤯 was unlucky in choosing Street Fighter and Wolfenstein 3D, while sandylea placed Doom 64 on her list.

Big Pete named Street Fighter II but not Doom, so he drops to second place. System, X-zero, Lionheart and RT pick up some steam by naming both games. Our leaders are now Lionheart and System, but nobody is too far behind. Game on!

Aug 2, 2020 15:20:11 GMT Emperor said:

🤯 was unlucky in choosing Street Fighter and Wolfenstein 3D

This is probably the biggest reason why I was griping about the significance of SF1 and W3D over SF2 and Doom, lol.

No longer last place, my come from behind victory is starting to take form.

As for the Wolfenstein 3D and Doom I think a good modern example would be Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. Those have spawn a genre known as Souls-likes or Soulbourne (To tie Bloodbourne to the family). But when you heard either of those terms do you thing Demon's Souls clone or Dark Souls clone. I assume Dark Souls since Demon's Souls was an exclusive. But Dark Souls wasn't and improved (I think) on Demon's Souls formula.

Seeing as Lionheart had the answer key how did he miss out on Monkey Island? Probably to let us think he doesn't. Can't fool me.

Aug 2, 2020 17:05:27 GMT @ness said:

Seeing as Lionheart had the answer key how did he miss out on Monkey Island? Probably to let us think he doesn't. Can't fool me.

In the art of cheating one can't appear to know everything else it looks suspect.  Though had anyone guessed that I wouldn't have been too surprised.

Well since 10 have been shown and I only have 5 on the board there were some missed picks. Four of them that took place before Doom were Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Mortal Kombat, and Super Mario Kart.

Legend of Zelda: I should realize this game will never work with me. I understand its mass appeal but every time I bank on it to help me win it fails me.

Metroid: I really thought first major badass woman in gaming would make the list.

Mortal Kombat: I enjoyed it more than Street Fighter and thought they were even rivals. I assume what pushes SF over the edge is it e-sport tournament and high level play.

Super Mario Kart: Another one I recognize as popular with others but not really with me. And usually had more fun with some of it knockouts like Diddy Kong Racing and Mod Nation.

Now it's really time to take cover. This might cause more of an uproar on PW than the actual game itself did with the US government.

🤯

We're not messing around this time Emperor

I'll be curious to see if Mortal Kombat makes the list. Truthfully I didn't consider Mortal Kombat although it obviously had a huge impact on how games would be marketed moving forward and the perception of video games. In the end, I only voted for two fighters that defined the 2D and 3D genre respectively, although I get the feeling I'm about to get chump changed on that.

Seriously don't think I've ever come across the AO rating. Were those games simply not available in retail stores?

Also 🤯 I'm sure you get a kick out of the rating picture showing titties for T (for teen).

Quite alright with this reveal. Desperately want to track down a version of this to try.

Aug 5, 2020 20:29:34 GMT Emperor said:

Now it's really time to take cover. This might cause more of an uproar on PW than the actual game itself did with the US government.

Those tentacles in the AO section of the picture look very familiar.

Never fucking heard of Night Trap in my life. It released the year after I was born. Makes sense. Also no clue how I am in 1st considering I just did a rough draft list desperately in need of revising that Emperor just used because I didn't do it in time. At least System is hanging with me.

Another game I’ve never heard of 😳

Mortal Kombat has been mentioned a few times, including last night's PW News episode.

First things first, Mortal Kombat is not making the list. My source made the decision to choose Night Trap over Mortal Kombat as the controversial game that was responsible for the ESRB.

From my research it's not quite clear which game actually triggered the initial congressional hearings in 1993. Various articles cite Night Trap and Mortal Kombat in equal stature. Both games were brought into question during the hearings, so perhaps they should take joint credit.

Mortal Kombat survived and thrived because it's a bloody good game despite being controversial. Night Trap was a shit game that only received attention because of its controversial content.

I can understand why Night Trap would be considered the more controversial of the two games. Mortal Kombat is gruesome, but the graphics are not especially convincing and the violent acts are deliberately way over the top and unrealistic. Night Trap's disturbing content is a lot scarier because it's more real. You are actually watching recorded footage of half-naked ladies strutting around, in the guise of a video game. It is a lot more sinister and perverted.

Aug 6, 2020 1:30:24 GMT 🤯 said:

Quite alright with this reveal. Desperately want to track down a version of this to try.

A 25th Anniversary Edition was released a few years ago.

www.screamingvillains.com/nighttrap.html

This website has links to games on PS4, PC and Switch, but they are all limited edition and marked as sold out. I suppose there would be some way to get it.