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Post by CM Punk'd on Sept 22, 2020 0:04:09 GMT
Retribution is...
Mia Yim Mercedes Martinez Dio Madden
And who are the other two?
Is the one with the paint Konnor?
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Post by nath45 on Sept 22, 2020 1:13:44 GMT
WTF.
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Post by RT on Sept 22, 2020 3:44:59 GMT
Nobody can ever talk shit about The Dark Order again.
That was the lamest thing I've ever seen.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 22, 2020 3:45:46 GMT
Nobody can ever talk shit about The Dark Order again. That was the lamest thing I've ever seen. Agreed. I apologise nazzer
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Post by X-zero on Sept 22, 2020 4:46:00 GMT
Retribution is... Mia Yim Mercedes Martinez Dio Madden And who are the other two? Is the one with the paint Konnor? Haven't seen it just reading stuff apparently Shane Thorne and Dijak. So what I am hearing is Mia Yim and Shelton are in reveal factions. The Nexus was a group of losers too but at least they didn't hide when they attacked the main roster
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Post by CM Punk'd on Sept 22, 2020 5:25:39 GMT
Who wants to bet that Mia and Mercedes both get different names, too?
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Post by nazzer on Sept 22, 2020 5:34:22 GMT
I rarely watch wwe, but read reviews on the bus home after work sometimes.
Can someone please explain retribution from today. I am confused.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 22, 2020 7:42:33 GMT
Did Vince see The Dark Knight Rises and see Gothams reckoning as WWE's Retribution with Dijakoviks look?
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Post by Emperor on Sept 22, 2020 8:53:45 GMT
Nobody can ever talk shit about The Dark Order again. That was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I've not even seen Retribution and I like this post. Anyone got a video?
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Post by nath45 on Sept 22, 2020 8:59:29 GMT
Nobody can ever talk shit about The Dark Order again. That was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I've not even seen Retribution and I like this post. Anyone got a video? Their names include T-Bar, Mace and Slapjack. You don't need a video, its like something out of a mid 90s cartoon.
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Post by Big Pete on Sept 22, 2020 10:42:05 GMT
Nobody can ever talk shit about The Dark Order again. That was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I've not even seen Retribution and I like this post. Anyone got a video?
The show began with the usual Then Now Forever Intro glitching and before the Raw intro could commence, Retribution rushed ring-side. Todd Phillips informed us that Retribution had been officially signed by the company. They gathered in the ring, un-did their hoodies and revealed themselves to be Shane Thorne (Slapjack), Dio Madden (Mace), Mia Yim, Dominik Dijakovic (T-Bar) & Mercedes Martinez. Their upset with the WWE for the same reasons as Miro, they're sick of chasing after imaginary brass rings and seeing the same stale talent hog the spotlight without shaking the business up. They're here to show the WWE the way and that way is through Retribution.
I'm not sure how familiar you are, but it's like one of those 'out there' Road to Wrestlemania stories from the SvR series. It's one of those ideas you'd imagine have been pitched to creative a thousand times but has been rejected because after 2-3 months, where does everybody go? Do these guys still keep dressing up like it's Halloween? Do they mellow out and just start dancing all the time?Does Mia Yim turn into Mia Yum and become the WWE's resident foodie and everytime she comes to the ring, she has to flash up a picture of what she ate?
The thing with the nWo is that for better or worse, it changed the show. Everything that's followed has sucked because the format has stayed the same no matter what.
I'd still take them over the Dark Order. If anything, this copycat angle just makes me madder!!
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Post by Emperor on Sept 22, 2020 11:20:03 GMT
Hahahahahaahah.
Not only do they look awful, they're not even trying to hide the fact that they're blatantly ripping off Dark Order.
Never thought I'd see the day Vince McMahon would copy the lesser competition.
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Post by nath45 on Sept 22, 2020 11:52:33 GMT
The more I think of it, Dijakovic playing Bane wouldn't be such a bad idea, " self-proclaimed leader of a revolution against the rich and the corrupt " easily translatable to " retribution against the WWE "
Then of course cut all the goofy shit out. I really hope they're killing air-time until the crowds can come back with this angle.
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Post by PB on Sept 22, 2020 13:13:19 GMT
That has to be the stupidest opening to an episode of Raw ever. Oh no, here come the renegades, who have just signed with WWE, but are still a threat from outside, but also pretend you don’t recognise them from NXT. I think it’s clear they started this angle with no plan and are just making it up as they go along.
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Post by RT on Sept 22, 2020 13:15:20 GMT
I didn't watch the whole show but I saw the Retribution clips when I read how bad it was. Reading it I was like "it can't be THAT bad," but then it was.
Rip offs of AEW and lameness aside, nothing about them makes sense. Imagine a group of terrorists showed up in your town and the mayor put them on city payroll. That's what this is.
Also they're already hypocrites.
"We don't want to chase the brass ring! We don't want your handouts!" "We will pay you lots of money." "OK."
And also, did they not say that NXT was the official 3rd brand less than a year ago? Anyone else remember that? So it's not anymore? NXT is back to being silly alternate universe land until it conveniences them? Pick one and stick with it.
Mia Yim and Djokovic were hella over in NXT and they get repackaged into this. Why do they keep doing this to talent?
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Post by RT on Sept 22, 2020 13:20:14 GMT
Oh my GOD the camera work is so bad. How can people watch this and not throw up? I can't even focus my eyes.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 22, 2020 14:55:47 GMT
That was so bad. I feel so bad for Dijakovic, one of the best big men in the company and he has to do some knock off Bane shite.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 22, 2020 14:57:36 GMT
They could have brought back the furloughed veterans for this angle if they wanted to and you can get some sort of Survivor Series bout with those guys/gals vs 5-6 main roster talents and that would have been better than this. This, this is awful.
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Post by RT on Sept 22, 2020 16:24:21 GMT
As far as the story goes, I’m 1000% behind this except for one thing. They should have never signed contracts. How much more compelling that they have the numbers game to outnumber security and do whatever they want. They force wrestlers into matches against WWE’s wishes, on their own terms. Also those masks are a bit too much for me. The cause is simple enough to get behind. Corporate greed. WWE making millions off the backs of the wrestlers. I’d even go a step further and mention the layoffs but that’s just not going to happen. Higher end contract wrestlers are forced by WWE to try and stop this (Hurt Group, etc.) Five basic leaders but untold others who have joined the cause. Meanwhile they’re still wrestling all over WWE‘s lesser shows. 205, NXT, NXT UK. No one knows who to trust. WWE never sanctions a match for them. They just get some loose agreement with whoever they are feuding with. Rarely does the matches take place in a ring. They call the opponents ten minutes before the match with a place. Gives them less time to organize the troops. They show up and there is a parking lot brawl, or a broiler room fight, or whatever. The members of RET encircle the fighters. They can’t leave. By the time the fight is over security shows up and RET disbands going thirty different directions. From time to time security catches one of these guys. WWE releases their identity and “fires” them from their WWE contract. Fair enough. They still show up with RET but now “unmasked”. WWE puts a bounty out for anyone that can reveal the identity of a RET member so they can be terminated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. One by one they become unmasked. The five leaders are eventually the last ones masked. The end game? One or two of them out of personal greed sign actual contracts with WWE and “out” the entire outfit. All but the one or two are fired. Out of disgust of their leaders lack of loyalty they disband after a blow off internal match. The two who signed become corporate lackeys that are pushed to the moon. The two or three who are known members of the roster are “buried” by WWE and eventually become baby face under dogs fighting the system internally and eventually earn their contracts and work their way up the ranks despite being disliked by the bad guys who WWE work against them and the baby faces that they hurt along the way. Eventually they earn the trust of the baby faces and get some help as they rise up the roster. I'm not trying to be a dick but this doesn't read like you're 1000% behind it. It sounds like you love the idea but hate the execution. Which I agree with. On paper this sounds like an awesome thing, but the WWE has been doing this for years. It's literally why the Fan Fic forum exists. They come up with something half-assed that sounds like it will be good, then it isn't. This is just another example, and it's a more glaring one because they're directly ripping off AEW and it's so incredibly bad that it's comical and embarrassing. EDIT: Mia Yim constantly having to adjust her mask was hilarious, btw. Just added to how poorly this has been planned out.
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Post by pduh on Sept 22, 2020 17:00:05 GMT
Can’t wait to see who will plays the part of Batman to save the day 😒
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 22, 2020 17:08:23 GMT
I have not been watching but I just watched those clips and man...those masks are horrid. Like RT said the idea is solid but the execution...meh. I'm not sold on everyone they chose or the Bane like rip off look but maybe it'll work.
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Post by Big Pete on Sept 22, 2020 17:43:11 GMT
Also someone is going to have to tell me how they’re ripping off AEW because I don’t watch it. Supposedly the Dark Order who also dress in masks and seemingly have hundreds of henchmen. They also recruit women's wrestlers as well.
There is a similarity in terms of aesthetics, but they're more of a cult than a full blown revolt. They mostly recruit jobbers, Brodie Lee is a parody of Vince McMahon and they film goofy youtube skits.
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Post by RT on Sept 22, 2020 17:57:42 GMT
Also someone is going to have to tell me how they’re ripping off AEW because I don’t watch it. The Dark Order dress in masks and seemingly have hundreds of hooded henchmen who attack other wrestlers at will. They also have female members.
They're more of a cult than this revolt that we're seeing. They also prey upon jobbers, do Vince McMahon parodies and fans like them because they film goofy youtube skits.
Also most of them have stupid names.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 22, 2020 18:00:06 GMT
These guys aren't really Dark Order, these guys are an ANTIFA knockoff, AKA Anarachists to the extreme in the wrestling business. Dark Order as Big Pete said are like a cult and trying to revive careers or directionless people back to find themselves.
Also I can do without Mia Yim retweeting EVERYTHING retribution, it's like try and sell kayfabe JUST A LITTLE BIT :lol: I get she won't delete social media since she does Twitch and all of that but :lol: I get it though ,it's 2020 stop being an old fart Blindy yeesh :lol:
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Post by c on Sept 22, 2020 18:51:15 GMT
This seriously feels like a bad CHIKARA invasion angle. I said elsewhere, but between this and the fight club, you would think Quack was booking for WWE now.
I seen many claim this is an ANTIFA gimmick but it is really the same old Road Warrior Gimmick that WWE recycles constantly. Now the Ascension is not there, they gave it to these guys. When this group fails, another group will get the gimmick.
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Post by c on Sept 22, 2020 18:54:35 GMT
Nobody can ever talk shit about The Dark Order again. That was the lamest thing I've ever seen. Dark Order since Brodie came in has been great. People shit on them, but it is a great gimmick from a booking standpoint. Most of the group can be used as jobbers and you can easily do six or eight man matches with them.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 22, 2020 19:04:13 GMT
Outside of Lee and Ten, none of Dark Order(For the males, Anna Jay looks like a million bucks) look intimidating. Maybe Grayson. But Alan Angels, the two smaller guys and Evil Uno? Nah. They don't look frightening. It's about presentation for these stables. Colt Cabana looks like a goofball but that's the point so I exclude him but if you were to take him seriously, he looks goofy too.
Evil Uno looks like Shark Boy from TNA if he was on an all meat & potatoes diet.
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Post by c on Sept 22, 2020 19:38:59 GMT
That is the gimmick though. Dark Order is not tough, there are just a lot of them. They replaced the Heartless with the normal members.
Evil Uno has not really found his place yet in AEW. I really think he should break from the Dark Order, turn face, and become Player Uno again. Player Uno would be huge in AEW I think. The gamepad spots, random game moves and things from that gimmick would go over huge.
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Post by Blindy on Sept 22, 2020 20:20:41 GMT
I would kill for Cornette's reaction if he became Player Uno :rofl: Maybe have Goldenboy be his manager.
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Post by Ness on Sept 22, 2020 20:24:02 GMT
That is the gimmick though. Dark Order is not tough, there are just a lot of them. They replaced the Heartless with the normal members. Evil Uno has not really found his place yet in AEW. I really think he should break from the Dark Order, turn face, and become Player Uno again. Player Uno would be huge in AEW I think. The gamepad spots, random game moves and things from that gimmick would go over huge. I NEED slow-mo wrestling in my life again.
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