Anyone else following this case?  If you don't know about it you can obviously google it.  I am definitely getting engrossed in it.  I am all sorts of questions.  Anyone to bounce questions off about it?

america has a #gunculture problem.

Fact, she shot and killed someone, she should be in jail because of that. If there wasn't such a gun culture problem in america perhaps shooting someone wouldn't be her first thought, maybe she would have gone for a knife, a bat, a chair, who knows.

She should be given some sympathy and leeway if she was in fact a victim in the first place. But as Nazzer said, if it wasn't a gun it would be a knife or bat, whatever. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I own several guns, legally. None have ever killed anyone. Just game.

Nov 30, 2017 21:03:13 GMT Ace Levy said:

She should be given some sympathy and leeway if she was in fact a victim in the first place. But as Nazzer said, if it wasn't a gun it would be a knife or bat, whatever. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I own several guns, legally. None have ever killed anyone. Just game.

A victim of what?

Nov 30, 2017 21:18:35 GMT theend said:

Nov 30, 2017 21:03:13 GMT Ace Levy said:

She should be given some sympathy and leeway if she was in fact a victim in the first place. But as Nazzer said, if it wasn't a gun it would be a knife or bat, whatever. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I own several guns, legally. None have ever killed anyone. Just game.

A victim of what?

Sex trafficking

Can't have been too engrossed not to know that part.

Nov 30, 2017 21:39:04 GMT Mistress said:

Nov 30, 2017 21:18:35 GMT theend said:

A victim of what?

Sex trafficking

Do we have any evidence outside of her claims?

Nov 30, 2017 22:32:55 GMT @admin said:

Can't have been too engrossed not to know that part.

Which part?  It's more that I question she is a victim of anything.

Things like that are why more victims of assault don't come forward. In todays day and age, there's an instant period of "is the victim telling the truth"

If you go through something traumatic yet know you're likely to be called a liar, why bother reporting it.

About 10 years ago, a girl a few years younger than me in High School. Killed, cut up and buried her step father / abuser.

Dec 1, 2017 4:34:25 GMT theend said:

Nov 30, 2017 21:39:04 GMT Mistress said:

Sex trafficking

Do we have any evidence outside of her claims?

there must be some because there's a documentary about her  as well.

This week, the case of a woman named Cyntoia Brown went viral on social media, even though she has already been in jail for more than ten years.



Brown is serving a life sentence for the murder of a Nashville man in 2004. According to Brown, after a childhood marked by abuse and drugs, she was raped and forced into prostitution by a pimp, and ended up killing one of her clients out of self defense when she was just 16 years old. Despite her youth, she was tried as an adult and given a life sentence.


The details of her crime and trial -- including the fact that the man who had paid for sex with her was 43 years old, have started circulating again, catching the attention of A-list celebrities and spawning the viral hashtag #FreeCyntoiaBrown. However, even before the renewed interest, her trial inspired a documentary and was a factor in a major change in how the state of Tennessee deals with child prostitution cases.

other court documents might be sealed since she was a minor at that time, though.
and i mean, i dont know many 16 year olds who WANT to be pimped out....especially after being raped. 
 i was raped and for years i didnt want another guy to even look at me, let alone touch me.

Ok, simple math. She named the pimp, there are pictures of this supposed pimp. Was this pimp convicted of pimping her out? The information you quoted it's just "according to Brown". It would add credibility to being a victim of sex trafficking if her pimp was a pimp. Garion McGlothen who was 24 at the time and was in the hotel when she was arrested. Talk about a pedophile? He supposedly hit her and told her to make some money. So he gave her a gun and told her to get money. (stupid insert, she had a gun, she could have freed herself from this pump right there in some respects).  27 minutes into the doc she says he would pull a gun out to prevent her to leave.  But 3 weeks after living together he gives her a gun to leave with.  

Tell me one thing that indicates is not an armed robbery.  And that Allen wasn't just trying to help her out.

14:55 six or 7 people who were caregivers of her.
16:51 "today we are going to talk to her adoptive mother with whom she lived since about age 2"
So these caregivers were from birth to about 2? 

The whole sex list is obviously inadmissible but we go through it in the doc.
26:26 - I was asleep and he was WTF?  How the hell do you sleep? 

I watched the documentary. It's a bit sloppy and biased AF.  

you dont know her mindset though. she could've been groomed and scared, meaning maybe she wasnt thinking straight.

i know of many abuse victims who could walk out the door at any time...but they dont out f fear. what if no one believes them...or what if their abuser finds them? to them, its easier to stay and suffer

Dec 1, 2017 18:17:30 GMT Mistress said:

you dont know her mindset though. she could've been groomed and scared, meaning maybe she wasnt thinking straight.

i know of many abuse victims who could walk out the door at any time...but they dont out f fear. what if no one believes them...or what if their abuser finds them? to them, its easier to stay and suffer

on the other side of the spectrum.  how stupid or bold is he?  after 3 weeks he hands her a gun.  that's confidence, my man.  that's what drugs will do to you I guess.

Here is an odd thing about doing a lot of drugs. Cocaine can cause, agitation, paranoia, hallucinations, delusions, violence, as well as suicidal and homicidal thinking.

She tries to downplay her confession because she was high at the time for like 2 weeks. So, she was likely on drugs at the time she committed the murder. Even if she tried to claim self defense she kinda blew it being on drugs. If I kill nazzer while tripping that he is the stay puft marshmallow man and I am a ghostbuster and I am on shrooms. I think I am SOL.

Dec 1, 2017 19:04:54 GMT theend said:

Dec 1, 2017 18:17:30 GMT Mistress said:

you dont know her mindset though. she could've been groomed and scared, meaning maybe she wasnt thinking straight.

i know of many abuse victims who could walk out the door at any time...but they dont out f fear. what if no one believes them...or what if their abuser finds them? to them, its easier to stay and suffer

on the other side of the spectrum.  how stupid or bold is he?  after 3 weeks he hands her a gun.  that's confidence, my man.  that's what drugs will do to you I guess.

I think he is stupid and should be charged as an accessory...

Mistress, right now I am reading the autobiography of a reformed nazi skinhead and it has me thinking about his life and his time getting involved with skinheads. It is very similar to what I have read in books from gang members just with a political theory. Anyhow, my point is, do you see a difference between sex trafficking as taking orders from a pimp and taking orders from a gang leader?

Dec 2, 2017 16:56:53 GMT theend said:

Mistress , right now I am reading the autobiography of a reformed nazi skinhead and it has me thinking about his life and his time getting involved with skinheads. It is very similar to what I have read in books from gang members just with a political theory. Anyhow, my point is, do you see a difference between sex trafficking as taking orders from a pimp and taking orders from a gang leader?

Honestly, no not really...

I think both rule by fear

Dec 1, 2017 23:22:14 GMT Mistress said:

Dec 1, 2017 19:04:54 GMT theend said:

on the other side of the spectrum.  how stupid or bold is he?  after 3 weeks he hands her a gun.  that's confidence, my man.  that's what drugs will do to you I guess.

I think he is stupid and should be charged as an accessory...

A minor in an abusive relationship... pretty sure she didn't choose to be on drugs. Look, I am a very strong anti-drug advocate who is saying this. However a girl (Not a woman, but a girl) who is abused and introduced to drugs in her homelife, I don't necessarily give 100% a pass but I sure as hell consider it!

I do have a heart. I'm not Michael Rooker's character afterall!

Reading a lot of autobiographies will teach you that almost anyone who comes from an abusive home or been sexually abused at a young age who has access to drugs will do them.

The argument of choice there is really fuzzy and hard.

Well, as a bit of an update on this case. The state supreme court has decided she will sit for all 51 years of her sentence.

Dec 7, 2017 17:55:03 GMT theend said:

Reading a lot of autobiographies will teach you that almost anyone who comes from an abusive home or been sexually abused at a young age who has access to drugs will do them.

The argument of choice there is really fuzzy and hard.

You could extrapolate this further and argue that there is no such thing as free will.
Our every decision is a snapshot in time that sees us in a situation where our entire DNA and life experience up to that point will define the decision we will make in that moment. Whatever decision we make it is the decision we were always going to make.
I personally don't believe in free will for this very reason.

I do however we must hold people accountable for their actions regardless of their life experience, because if we weaken our criteria for guilt or choice, we will influence the actions of countless other people weighing up their actions in the moment with fewer deterrents. 
If someone is mentally incapable of making choices then you could argue diminished guilt, but a poor childhood cannot be an excuse however traumatic.