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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 0:33:22 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I used to love Chikara. Chikara was the first indie wrestling I ever saw live and it was what I made an attempt to see every time they came to my state, even as a baby-ass middle schooler. Chikara inspired my one-time desire to become a professional wrestler. It didn't work out, but eh. I loved Chikara more than just about any wrestling company I could think of for years. But all of the allegations of abuse and predation of those that were trainers for Chikara and SPECIFICALLY of Quack himself have permanently stained the company for me. I don't want it back anymore. I want it to stay gone. Requiescat in pace. Ok I'll bite, what exactly was Quack accused of doing directly? Because the way I saw it, is Wiggy was upset Quack called her The Ratiri when she was sleeping with Kobalt and blasted Quack for shit other people did. Joey Janela summed it up well though. If Wiggy was involved with CHIKARA and all this shit was happening, why was she just reporting it now after she learned Quack called her a rat seven years prior? I will side with Quack on this because he admitted to what he did. He was narcissist for a while and really only thought of CHIKARA. He used locker room language in the locker room which people are not really ok with people using anymore. He admitted to sleeping with two people who worked for CHIKARA, neither of which were fans. He also apologized for shit that happened at the school he was not aware of and his record goes against the accusations. As soon as Wiggy let him know about Kobald, he fired Kobald like he did Blaster McMassive and Rory Gulak prior. Literally within 3 hours of Wiggy posting her original tweet Quack fired Kobald. Gulak was fired while many people were still booking him for sending girls creepy text messages, and Blaster was in Evolve when Quack fired him for calling a fan a rat on twitter. At least one of the accusations, the girl who was supposedly deliberately injured, was discredited by other students. The accessor who said Quack was chasing girls told an interesting story. Quack was caught by his wife sleeping around with Saturyne leading to their divorce. What was not mentioned was the rest of this story. That was his wife being half owner of CHIKARA forced him to shutdown the fed, which Quack deceptively countered by starting various Wrestling Is feds before reviving CHIKARA a year later. This was a fucking work being reported as a #metoo thing. What I find most amusing is at the end of the day, what Quack was cancelled for was allowing Chris Hero to treat the wrestlers like total shit. But a few black lines and no one putting together the dates, Hero takes none of the blame, only Quack. Also looking up stuff to check dates, found out Alex Reynolds was combatANT and John Silver the Shard. Is that why after he left they never mentioned him again?
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Post by c on Aug 3, 2021 0:52:51 GMT
Also when you get into the LONG internet vs Quack fued, most of it is from CZWfans who made CHIKARA into an enemy of CZW because they ran the same market. In the long list of Quack hate thread that was on CZWfans, most of it was deathmatch guys complaining that Quack would not book them.
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Post by c on Aug 3, 2021 0:53:39 GMT
Ok I'll bite, what exactly was Quack accused of doing directly? Because the way I saw it, is Wiggy was upset Quack called her The Ratiri when she was sleeping with Kobalt and blasted Quack for shit other people did. Joey Janela summed it up well though. If Wiggy was involved with CHIKARA and all this shit was happening, why was she just reporting it now after she learned Quack called her a rat seven years prior? I will side with Quack on this because he admitted to what he did. He was narcissist for a while and really only thought of CHIKARA. He used locker room language in the locker room which people are not really ok with people using anymore. He admitted to sleeping with two people who worked for CHIKARA, neither of which were fans. He also apologized for shit that happened at the school he was not aware of and his record goes against the accusations. As soon as Wiggy let him know about Kobald, he fired Kobald like he did Blaster McMassive and Rory Gulak prior. Literally within 3 hours of Wiggy posting her original tweet Quack fired Kobald. Gulak was fired while many people were still booking him for sending girls creepy text messages, and Blaster was in Evolve when Quack fired him for calling a fan a rat on twitter. At least one of the accusations, the girl who was supposedly deliberately injured, was discredited by other students. The accessor who said Quack was chasing girls told an interesting story. Quack was caught by his wife sleeping around with Saturyne leading to their divorce. What was not mentioned was the rest of this story. That was his wife being half owner of CHIKARA forced him to shutdown the fed, which Quack deceptively countered by starting various Wrestling Is feds before reviving CHIKARA a year later. This was a fucking work being reported as a #metoo thing. What I find most amusing is at the end of the day, what Quack was cancelled for was allowing Chris Hero to treat the wrestlers like total shit. But a few black lines and no one putting together the dates, Hero takes none of the blame, only Quack. Also looking up stuff to check dates, found out Alex Reynolds was combatANT and John Silver the Shard. Is that why after he left they never mentioned him again? The reason for the break is something no one is speaking of openly. Whatever it was, Kingston fucking hates him for it.
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Post by c on Aug 3, 2021 1:10:46 GMT
Since we are talking Quack, who the fuck was Barbie Head? Quack, Excalibur and Punk both dated her in the 2000 - 2003ish era. Uncovered this amazing relic while looking for who she was. cmpunk.livejournal.com/Edit: Damn, figured it out. Was Joanne Starer. This was one of the two people Quack said he was sleeping with. Her comic on Quack is a good takedown of Quack the narcissist. So, the girls who worked twice were Mercedes Martinez and Della Morte as this was one of the first times either worked outside of CT. joannestarer.medium.com/i-ran-a-womens-pro-wrestling-company-when-i-was-21-bb256ca46536For those who read that the five girls who went to WWE were Jillian Hall, Beth Phoenix, Mickie James, Mercedes and Trinity.
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Post by Baker on Aug 3, 2021 1:53:22 GMT
Since we are talking Quack, who the fuck was Barbie Head? Quack, Excalibur and Punk both dated her in the 2000 - 2003ish era. Uncovered this amazing relic while looking for who she was. cmpunk.livejournal.com/The name Barbiehead does ring a bell, but I'm drawing a blank on the details. You weren't kidding about that being an amazing relic. It's a great 2005 time capsule. I popped for Punk owning a Supreme Lee Great shirt. Owning a Supreme Lee Great shirt has to be the 2nd coolest thing Punk ever did.
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Post by c on Aug 3, 2021 2:35:18 GMT
OMG, so forgot about this. My favorite Punk story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 14:40:31 GMT
If Punk was black...
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Post by Emperor on Aug 3, 2021 18:59:34 GMT
People like to root for their favorites in stories. The good guys. The home team. Pro wrestling is the perfect marriage of sport and story. Sports journalists find the stories in sports and bring them to lives. The characters end up being our favorites. A few weeks ago a kid who's maybe a year or two in worked a match in front of an audience that had never seen him before. It was an outdoor show at a bar. They did some cool stuff and had a technically sound match. The crowd sat on their hands. He came up to me after the show and said "They HATED that tonight." Mechanically and from a move execution stance, it was probably the strongest match of the night. The heel came out smug and arrogant. The babyface (the kid who talked to me) was trying to act like the cool bad ass. They didn't really work the crowd in the match from what I recall. It got me thinking. If they don't care who you are, they don't care what you're doing. He didn't take the time to teach the fans that he was the good guy and connect with them so they would be happy for him when he succeeded or feel bad for him when the heel stole the win. It's all about being invested in the characters and the personalities. My Grandma was a Cubs' fan. I loved my Grandma, so I'm a Cubs fan. It's about connection and loyalty. A couple old guys at work were making fun of me for liking wrestling then went on a rant about how great Verne Gagne, Nick Bockwinkel, and Dick the Bruiser were. Because those were the personalities that connected with them. Wrestling is boring. Baseball would be boring if you didn't have a vested interest in who won or lost. Imagine they played nine inninngs and randomized who was playing on which team each inning. One team in red jerseys and another in blue. They changed the teams each inning. You wouldn't care. Fantastic post and hits the nail on the head. I've reflected on these words, and the more I think about it, the more I realise how true it is. In any sport or perhaps even any entertainment medium, if you don't care about the characters, the rest is worthless.
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 7, 2021 12:05:37 GMT
A recent quote from Al Snow,
"The talent aren't performing for you anymore. That's a fact. They're not going in the ring and wrestling for you. Your opinion doesn't matter. They are wrestling for each other, trying to impress each other, and they are wrestling for that small group of people that write a report and give them critical acclaim and say either it was really a good match or it was a bad match. That's the truth," Snow said.
"That's why the talent are so caught up in today and in the locker room calling every single second. They're not living in the moment, not reacting to each other, to the referee, not interacting with the audience like they used to. They're so concerned that they're gonna forget the next thing that's coming up, and they're scared to death that they're going to make a mistake," he continued.
"It's not that you'll notice it because you won't. It's that somebody in the back will notice it, and we'll call them out on it, or someone who's writing a report will notice that they made a mistake or they did a botch. You can't botch anything unless you expose the wrestling, the lie. If you ruin the illusion, that's the only way you can make a mistake, otherwise there's no way to do it. It's not possible, because you can make and create everything you want to make and create, and you're only limited by your own imagination and creativity, as long as it's within the context of a competition. As long as you're trying to still win and not lose."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 14:23:24 GMT
That small group of people that write is the wrestling fanbase. That's all that's left.
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Post by KITN on Aug 9, 2021 2:10:58 GMT
Al Snow can suck a fat one, which I only use as an insult because I know he wouldn't enjoy it.
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Post by 🤯 on Aug 9, 2021 3:47:56 GMT
Al Snow can suck a fat one, which I only use as an insult because I know he wouldn't enjoy it. What does everybody want!?!?
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Post by Ed on Aug 9, 2021 22:02:59 GMT
Al Snow is blaming the wrestlers? blame the segment of fans who solely care about work rate, star ratings & all that bullshit. NXT! NXT! NXT!
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Post by NATH45 on Aug 10, 2021 0:57:57 GMT
Al Snow is blaming the wrestlers? blame the segment of fans who solely care about work rate, star ratings & all that bullshit. NXT! NXT! NXT! Blame ROH and TNA's X-Division. I remember an interview years ago with Jerry Lynn, who basically said early ROH fans sat there and went " impress me " it was no longer about storytelling, it was about spots and work-rate ie; moving quickly and doing flippy-flops.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 16:49:59 GMT
While shitty I can't hate the fans for turning the tables on the workers like that.
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Post by Ed on Aug 10, 2021 17:52:04 GMT
While shitty, I can't hate the fans for turning the tables on the workers like that. Why? I'm curious to find out why you feel this way. I feel like what NATH45, was talking about is different than before. Fans like me who loved ECW become disenchanted with WWF & WCW presentation of wrestling & Paul E gave us that. I like NJPW's brand of wrestling because it combines work- rate with storytelling. Not just doing moves for the sake of getting a pop, turned to 11 ALL THE TIME. If everybody wrestled the same & like the same things.
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