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Post by Baker on Nov 10, 2021 3:38:04 GMT
of one match per promotion, what would you choose?
WWF: Bret wins the WWF Championship from HBK. No Montreal Screwjob. Or maybe Shawn gets screwed?- Survivor Series 97 WCW: Flair wins the WCW Championship from Hogan- August 96 Clash of the Champions ECW: Snow wins the ECW Championship from Douglas- Wrestlepalooza 98 TNA: Raven wins the NWA Championship from Jarrett- 4/30/03 ROH: Daniels wins the ROH Championship from Punk- Homecoming 7/23/05
WCW, ECW, TNA & ROH were easy. Put about five seconds of thought into each. Went with personal preferences without a care for how it would impact future storylines. Had no alternate choice TNA, only one for ROH & ECW, and two for WCW.
WWF/E provided many more options (Maybe I'll post them later?). Not because they were booked worse than those other promotions, but because I cared more. Yet in the end it had to be Bret triumphing over Michaels. Not just because the Screwjob was the worst, but because it sets up a tantalizing future. Can you imagine Bret as Vince's "anti-Attitude" Corporate Champ? How about the Austin Era beginning when Stone Cold finally beats Bret in the main event of WM 14? Then you have so many juicy scenarios after that. Owen lives(!) being paramount. So many dimes.
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Post by RT on Nov 10, 2021 5:48:58 GMT
You already posted pretty much all the ones I would have picked, so just to keep things fresh I'll post some different ones.
WWF: Chris Jericho retains the Undisputed Championship against Triple H - Wrestlemania 18 I have a lot for WWF because they constantly refuse to give the crowd what they want, but this one is the first one that jumped to mind. Being in attendance at this show, I can tell you that having Triple H go over in the main event was fucking ridiculous booking. The crowd was spent after Hogan/Rock, they then followed that up with a cool down match that saw Jazz go over a hometown hero in Trish Stratus (AND LITA, WTF!?) and then in the main event, everyone was cheering for Chris Jericho given he was, y'know..Canadian. But no, Triple H wins and it goes over like a wet fart in an elevator. Terrible. Why not send the crowd home happy? Fuck sakes.
WCW: The Finger Poke of Doom. All of it. Just...no. Get that out of WCW history completely. Do literally anything else.
ECW: Mike Awesome retains the ECW Heavyweight Championship against Taz I have no idea what the logistics of this would be but imagine if instead of Awesome dropping the title to Taz, he keeps it and takes it to WCW as a fuck you to Heyman and Vince. If I remember correctly, Awesome was owed wages by Heyman, was threatening to take the title to WCW, then Vince and Heyman arranged to lend Taz to ECW to win the title then vacate it. But what if Awesome worked out something with WCW/Turner and was compensated and then some, and he retained? Or he no-showed and kept the title? Probably could never actually work but that's an interesting thing to think about.
I didn't really follow TNA very much and Christopher Daniels never winning the ROH World title is a fucking travesty, so I can't really think of anything beyond that. I'm angry all over again thinking about it. Blows my mind that stupid-ass Jamie Noble was the one to dethrone Punk and Daniels never got a run after 2003-05 when Punk, Danielson, Joe, Daniels, Aries, etc were all doing their thing in ROH. So ridiculous that he never won. GAH NOW I'M MAD.
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Post by Kilgore on Nov 10, 2021 6:42:20 GMT
WWF: Rock beats Austin (Wrestlemania 17): Listen, saving Bret Hart from the Screwjob is the only pick, but gotta do something different here. The Attitude Era was going to die in 2001, it was inevitable, but no need to shoot yourself in the dick in the process, do a thing that everyone hates and resents and undermines everything that won them the Monday Night War. Saving the WWF audience from an Austin heel turn feels like the next biggest moment worth changing, Rock winning outright sets up an actual rubber match in the future, and you can do any number of awesome shock finishes to protect Austin in the process. Like, say, an actual, real, WCW star igniting an actual good Invasion angle by costing Austin the match. And that man should obviously be Goldberg. You get Rock/Hogan and Austin/Goldberg at WM18 in the Monday Night War culmination. Now, this is more unrealistic finish than Baker probably wanted, but that's what he gets for picking the best one in the first goddamned post of the thread.
WCW: Sting defeats Hogan (Starrcade '97): Clean, no controversy about a fast count, in a borderline squash. Sting owns him in the same fashion he used to clear the ring of 20 nWo guys at once. When it comes time for the finish, Sting hits the Scorpion Death Drop, Hogan kicks out, hulks up, looks like he might mount his first bit of sustained offense, punches, YOU, all that good shit, but when it comes big boot time, Sting catches the leg, spins him 180 and hits another Scorpion Death Drop for the win. It's a 5 minute sprint in all. The biggest PPV in WCW history gets the finish it had all been building to, the nWo disintegrates earlier, Hogan doesn't re-sign in April 1998, WCW's 1998 isn't quite as disastrous.
ECW: Sabu over Taz (Barely Legal): This changes absolutely nothing in the long run, so it's kind of a pointless thing to switch up, but my heart just needs Sabu to beat Taz at Barely Legal. Let my heart get a win.
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Post by 🤯 on Nov 10, 2021 12:32:40 GMT
Kilgore has blown my mind. I had never ever even considered the option before of having Rock just win at WrestleMan X-Seve. 🤯
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Post by Shootist on Nov 10, 2021 17:56:13 GMT
Kind of reverses Kilgore's fine booking of the Austin/Rock feud but whatever. Steve Austin defeats Chris Jericho and The Rock to unify the WCW and WWF titles at Vengenance 2001. For such a monumental moment of finally unifying the NWA/WCW and WWF titles after 50 years Austin, still the biggest star in the industry doing the deed seems much for fitting than Chris Jericho.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 20:27:06 GMT
I would be on board to a weird skeevy Austin/Stephanie romance to feud with HHH.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 20:28:30 GMT
Kilgore has blown my mind. I had never ever even considered the option before of having Rock just win at WrestleMan X-Seve. 🤯 Think it's because of him leaving to film a movie (Scorpion King?) but yeah it literally never crosses my mind, but he's such a mainstay in the actual Invasion that I can't unsee it now. Plus it always feels like a waste to have another month long transitional Rock reign. I think Austin not getting the need could've played into an actual heel run...
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Post by Kilgore on Nov 11, 2021 0:24:50 GMT
Well, The Rock was gone longer than I remember (the day after WM17-August), so maybe it isn't a good idea. Unless he drops it the next night on Raw (to someone other than Austin, which would save us from Austin rematch that happened in real life where overnight he went from the toughest SOB to a weakling heel, which was so fucking lame)
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Post by 🤯 on Nov 11, 2021 1:51:56 GMT
Well, The Rock was gone longer than I remember (the day after WM17-August), so maybe it isn't a good idea. Unless he drops it the next night on Raw (to someone other than Austin, which would save us from Austin rematch that happened in real life where overnight he went from the toughest SOB to a weakling heel, which was so fucking lame) In this universe, if you're having Goldberg cost Austin the match at WrestleMan X-Seve... Then I propose: Rock comes out the next night on RAW, cuts an in-ring promo standing up for the WWF as its champion, says Goldturd's stuck his schnozz where it didn't belong last night at WrestleMan X-Seve, and informs Goldberg that Goldberg's NEXT!!! Rock doesn't play games or partake in politics, he certainly doesn't hide or shy away from tough challenges, etc. etc. etc. If Goldberg's candy ass is still in Texas, Rock will be waiting for him in the middle of this very ring in the main event of RAW tonight with the WWF title on the line! No sign of Goldberg (or Austin) all night. A big black Dodge RAM is seen arriving, but the windows are tinted. It's hard to see who's inside, but it looks like the driver is bald. The driver just sits in the idling pickup all night. JR & Heyman argue all night, speculating whether it's Goldberg or perhaps a pissed-off Texas Rattlesnake in the truck. When Jonathan Coachman or some other such schmuck tries to go get an interview with the driver, a group of private security officers enters the scene and create an impenetrable wall of physical intimidation in front the truck. Night goes on... Rock comes out for the final segment, and paces the ring as the anticipation builds. Surprisingly, the "GOOOLDBERRRG" chants start up... but it almost feels as if the fans are mocking Goldberg, or calling the bluff that they'll get Rock/Goldberg tonight or ever at all. Then the war drums kick. The camera cuts to the parking lot, where the wall of private security has parted. An officer knocks on the driver's door. Out steps DA MAN!!~ Goldberg magically transitions to his little black speedo by the time he gets to the top of the entrance ramp. His karate fights his way through his trademark sparkler show, and then marches to the ring. And then... It's on! Bell rings, and it's SPEAR!!! Rock staggers up, turns around... another SPEAR!!! Goldberg taunts Rock to fight his way back up because Goldberg wants the hat trick. SPEAR!!! Goldberg hoists Rock's lifeless carcass up for a Jackhammer and the academic pinfall. Holy shit. Goldberg just killed Rock to become the WWF Champion. In his first match in the WWF. What a way to start a new streak. Rock's sudden departure to Hollywood further sells the effect of being killed by Goldberg. Raw ends with Goldberg posing with the WWF title belt over Rock's presumed dead body... all while a fuming Stone Cold glares a hole in Goldberg from the top of the entrance ramp. And so starts the chase...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 2:00:26 GMT
Austin does all this and finally gets back on top... and Hollywood Rock comes back to whoop dat ass and send him to failed actor into podcast purgatory.
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Post by Kilgore on Nov 11, 2021 2:16:54 GMT
Hollywood Hogan is the only acceptable alternate to Goldberg at WM17. Could go either direction from there:
1. A Vince goon, can play up that the nWo actually were sent to WCW by Vince to kill the company, and it worked
2. A real WCW guy that kicks off the invasion
Goldberg is better for the angle, but Hogan debuting by inserting himself into an Austin/Rock Wrestlemania main event is pretty tempting
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Post by 🤯 on Nov 11, 2021 2:21:58 GMT
Hollywood Hogan is the only acceptable alternate to Goldberg at WM17. Could go either direction from there: 1. A Vince goon, can play up that the nWo actually were sent to WCW by Vince to kill the company, and it worked 2. A real WCW guy that kicks off the invasion Goldberg is better for the angle, but Hogan debuting by inserting himself into an Austin/Rock Wrestlemania main event is pretty tempting
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 2:27:25 GMT
If Hogan wasn't freshly home, would Austin still fear the match? I don't buy for a second it was "quality". STINKO STEVE wasn't brave enough to weather the storm.
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Post by rad on Nov 11, 2021 3:08:08 GMT
All the obvious ones were taken, so here goes nothing...
WWF - Booker T d. Triple H (WMXIX): Fuck the 20 seconds, fuck HHH. Booker was over enough for the win and after that build with all the subliminal racist undertones involved, it definitely left a bad taste in everyone's mouth having it end that way.
WCW - Goldberg d. Kevin Nash (Starrcade '98): The Streak needed to end eventually but Nash didn't need this win at all. The cattle prod was fucking stupid. If we're putting over anyone it should have been someone like DDP.
ECW - Tommy Dreamer d. Justin Credible (Cyberslam): I don't even like Dreamer but Justin Credible has no business being a World Champion in any promotion.
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Post by rad on Nov 11, 2021 3:21:46 GMT
Booking WMX7: - Austin goes over with Vince's help. They share a beer: PSYCHE! Stunner to McMahon. Simple as that. Potential Rock/Austin rematch at Summerslam.
Booking the subsequent Invasion: - Have only the nWo debut in 2001 under McMahon's control as a last ditch effort to take out Austin. Include the kickass "lethal dose of poison" promo. Maybe Rocky ends up even joining them and we get the early version of Hollywood Rock? Rock/Hogan at Mania for control of the nWo if one goes that route.
- Spend some money in January and have the other big WCW names debut at the Rumble. Goldberg eliminates Austin, Angle or someone he can feud with up to Mania. Don't put all your eggs in one basket and milk that storyline for 2-3 years. Use the draft as kayfabe reasoning to bring stability to the locker room. At WM XIX or XX, have a "winner takes all" super card with 11/13 matches, WWE vs. WCW for every match.
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Post by Big Pete on Nov 12, 2021 12:53:00 GMT
WCW - Goldberg def. Hogan - July 6th 1998It may sound sacrilegious but with the benefit of hindsight, I wonder what WCW would have looked like if they had have waited until Starrcade. As it happened, all Bill really did was baby-sit the title nothing changed. It wasn't like the company shifted and Bill became the focus, he didn't even have a proper feud until Bam Bam appeared and even then that got lost in the Nash shuffle. So I'd like to see a version of WCW where you run that Hogan-Warrior angle and then recover from it by putting the strap on Bill and having him defend against guys like Bam Bam. Hogan can still do his feud with Flair while Bill can face off against Bret, Steiner, Norton, Sid etc. With the residuals and better ratings you can make Brock a stronger offer and build to a Brock-Berg match for 2001 with Paul E Dangerously back in the fold. Retroactively Bill may have even done business with Jericho as well. Have Bill beat Jericho and then work World War 3 where he eliminates 59 other wrestlers before yelling into the camera HOGAN! YOU'RE NEXT! Side-tangent and while I get why everyone gets their knickers in a twist over the fingerpoke, it's amazing how time has forgotten Flair's fake heart-attack. Ric was enjoying a renaissance period and while he would go onto have that huge buy-rate at Superbrawl '99 it was stunts like that which killed his credibility among fans. Hard to take Flair seriously when he's faking heart-attacks and getting locked up inside an insane asylum. WWE - Rob Van Dam def. HHH Unforgiven '02I doubt this would have worked out, but it's more about what the change would represent. With HHH as champion, the WWE were just looking to steady the ship after the bubble had burst. It felt like a retread and more of the same when the WWE should have been looking towards the future and elevating new characters. Rob was still over with the audience and I think it would have led to a more interesting main event scene filled with fresh match-ups against the likes of Chris Jericho, Booker T, Randy Orton, Batista and under-utilised talent like Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire. AEW - Stadium Stampede 2020I for one would have loved to have seen Blood and Guts that year. At the time it appeared that the Inner Circle were going to win and continue to be a bad-ass stable while The Elite would implode which would've worked better for the Hangman/Omega storyline. The way it happened in real life was goofy and while fans enjoyed it in the moment it did nothing for the company moving forward. Jericho went from having one of the best runs in his career to an out and out joke who is just taking up time from younger more interesting wrestlers. Hangman/Omega has endured based largely on Hangman's mic skills but I feel like AEW could have told so many more stories without dragging this one along. It hasn't justified it's length at all and the only reason fans haven't tuned out is because Hangman has done all the heavy lifting on the microphone. Change the result, speed the process up and we could actually be in WCW '97 territory instead of WCW '94 territory.
ECW - Sabu retains against Terry Funk & Shane Douglas - Hardcore Heaven 1997
This is a completely outsider take so feel free to chop me down but Douglas' reign feels like a mistake in hindsight. ECW was beginning to make notoriety and they put the title on somebody who was breaking down and couldn't perform to the same standards as before. I know Sabu-Paul E had a love-hate relationship but even if he drops the title to somebody else later on, surely it'd be better than having Douglas do nothing with it for over a year?
ROH - Davey Richards def. Tyler Black - Best in the World 2010
Davey crossed too many promoters and was too out-spoken for his own good blah blah blah but the guy was the biggest act on the independants. This was the moment to cash in on Davey but since he talked about alternative career paths like he was supposed to be satisfied with his meagre income on the indies they baulked and put the title on Roderick Strong instead. When they did eventually put the title on Davey, it wasn't the same and he was growing more disillusioned with the business. Put the title on him here, build towards Steen-Richards and ROH has a hot program going into 2011 instead of whatever it was we got that year.
TNA - Samoa Joe def. Sting - TNA Bound For Glory 2008
I was tempted to vote Daniels/Morley just so I could stop fans from seething, but this one was worse. Joe was the biggest star to come through TNA and instead of getting behind him TNA completely went in the opposite direction and became a nostalgia fed. There was actually still a lot I liked about that era that followed but Joe was never the same and the company desperately lacked those original characters you'd go out of your way to tune in for. Stay the course with Joe, establish him as a main event guy and beat WWE to the punch on guys like Danielson, Richards, Steen, Generico, Hero, Castagnoli, Black etc.
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Post by Baker on Nov 12, 2021 22:39:22 GMT
WWE - Rob Van Dam def. HHH Unforgiven '02 This was on my shortlist. I agree that it probably wouldn't have mattered much in the long run, but it would have made me happy, and that was my primary criterion when I started this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 22:44:07 GMT
Big Pete honestly has ROH ever coronated anyone at the right time? Seemed like every star they tried to make with the belt always came after several failed title shots. And since it's ROH, for the most those decisive/clean defeats always kills their momentum.
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Post by kingoftheworld on Nov 12, 2021 22:58:01 GMT
I’d pick Jericho keeping the title against HHH in 2000 instead of it being reversed. Does that count?
I just think it would be more interesting to see what would happen if they just actually ran with it for a couple of weeks. A couple of months later they really started elevating and mixing the main eventers up with the mid carders so it wouldn’t really be too much of a stretch.
Obviously I’d also love to see what would have happened if Lita never blew her knee out against Trish and they got that Wrestlemania program.
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Post by System on Nov 14, 2021 2:09:52 GMT
Batista defeats Daniel Bryan/Orton at WMXXX
Batista gets built up as the #1 heel, Roman Reigns defeats him eventually only to be destroyed by Brock (Summerslam 2014 style) giving him such much needed sympathy as a babyface. Brock has lengthy reign only for it to be ended by the returning and healthy Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Big Pete on Nov 14, 2021 12:32:42 GMT
Big Pete honestly has ROH ever coronated anyone at the right time? Seemed like every star they tried to make with the belt always came after several failed title shots. And since it's ROH, for the most those decisive/clean defeats always kills their momentum. This trope existed well before I became a fan so I can't really speak to it. I think it started with Nigel didn't it?
I'm trying to think of examples after Davey.
In hindsight, Steen should have won it earlier. He won it mid-2012 which was 'fine' with the storyline they told but he should have never been let go by the company to begin with. Just make Generico-Steen unsanctioned, Generico wins but Steen ends up beating Davey for the championship and goes on a tear. Generico in real life was being written off the show, but here he would have been the right guy to dethrone Steen and he could have had a run before dropping it to Cole.
After that my memory of ROH goes really fuzzy. Elgin was over somewhat but he was also a basket case. From memory ROH basically became NJPW's feeder and we entered the 'crash n burn' era where the Bucks got super over (much to the chagrin of Bake and myself).
The only other example would be Dalton Castle who first got over in 2015 but didn't get a sniff of the championship until Final Battle 2017 and by then his back was broken.
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Post by Kilgore on Nov 16, 2021 22:27:32 GMT
WWF: Randy Savage wins The Royal Rumble (1993): The first Royal Rumble that decided the winner would get the title shot at Wrestlemania was really won by Yokozuna, who sucked, and his reign of terror should be complained about way more than it is. Savage winning gives Bret an opponent at Wrestlemania 9 to have his second WM Classic in a row, is a passing of the torch he won't get from Hogan, and solidifies him as the ace of the New Generation. He loses the strap to a still heel Luger at Survivor Series, the latest, maybe SummerSlam, depending on the dimes being drawn. Yokozuna can face Hogan at WM9 in some America bullshit match. I would have Hogan beat him in an extremely poor man's WM3 nostalgia fest match, just end the Yoko experiment early, give Hogan a nice farewell, but if you think another big heel is needed down the road, have him end Hulkamania at WrestleMania (but good luck getting Hogan to agree).
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Post by Big Pete on Nov 17, 2021 5:32:10 GMT
Yoko is one of those guys who has really been looked after in death. The boys could have easily buried him but it seems like Bret has used his credibility to really make a case for Yoko and justify his reign on top. I wonder if doing the favour and teaming with Owen had a part in that? Regardless Yoko has managed to avoid Giant Gonzales and Mabel comparisons which had to have been common when he was still alive, right?
I'm pretty sure you guys have covered that post-Hogan era in-depth before but what were the sparknotes? Bret-Luger-Bret-Diesel (?)
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Post by 🤯 on Nov 17, 2021 12:52:59 GMT
Speaking of Yoko...
If we're just changing results for one match, then I'd have Lex beat Yoko for the title to open WMX. Owen beats Bret after. Bret beats Lex for the belt to close the show.
History on all sorts of points. First time kicking off a WrestleMania with a world title match, and a title switch no less. First WrestleMania to feature two world title matches and switches (at least in pre-scheduled matches -_-).
Bret/Owen doesn't need to be the opener to remain as good as it was. In fact, it creates a better one night story arc this way. Fuji redeems his shitty management from the year prior by putting as much time between Yoko's defenses as possible to give the champion some advantage in more time to rest. But then the unthinkable happens, and Lex finally does it! Owen beats Bret to sow seeds of doubt that Bret can beat the man who just toppled Yoko. But then Bret outsmarts the overconfident Lex to win in some clever fashion. Owen observes the post-match celebration in disgust, as he did IRL.
Lex turns heel prompted by Bret ruining his big moment, goes on a monster run in 1994 instead of doing virtually nothing, and becomes the crown jewel of the Million Dollar Corporation. Perhaps even the Million Dollar Champion to set up a rematch with Bret somewhere.
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Post by thereallt on Nov 18, 2021 3:21:33 GMT
All the obvious ones were taken, so here goes nothing... WWF - Booker T d. Triple H (WMXIX): Fuck the 20 seconds, fuck HHH. Booker was over enough for the win and after that build with all the subliminal racist undertones involved, it definitely left a bad taste in everyone's mouth having it end that way. WCW - Goldberg d. Kevin Nash (Starrcade '98): The Streak needed to end eventually but Nash didn't need this win at all. The cattle prod was fucking stupid. If we're putting over anyone it should have been someone like DDP. ECW - Tommy Dreamer d. Justin Credible (Cyberslam): I don't even like Dreamer but Justin Credible has no business being a World Champion in any promotion. LOL Heyman even admitted the only reason he put the belt on Justin Credible is because Heyman was sure he was the only neither WCW or WWE would try and poach.
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Post by 🤯 on Nov 18, 2021 15:06:20 GMT
Here's one...
Sid Justice goes over Hogan clean at WM8. Not only clean, but he murders Hogan for all intents and purposes. Powerbombs Hogan, covers, Hogan kicks out. Sid loses his shit because NO ONE kicks out of the powerbomb. Before Hogan can hulk up again, Sid powerbombs his red and yellow ass again with some extra snap. Then it's a not-so-academic pinfall. Stunned fans are hushed into a silence. To add insult to injury (or injury to injury?) Sid hits a hat trick of post-match powerbombs on Hogan until the surprise-returning Ultimate Warrior comes to the rescue.
Hopefully, HOPEFULLY... Hogan garners some sympathy from fans who are tired of him while he also takes a year off. Sid is rebranded as Psycho Sid Vicious because of how viciously he killed off Hulkamania. We spare Papa Shango botching a big moment.
Hopefully Sid and Warrior stick around to see their program through. Ideally Sid sends Warrior packing too to set himself up for a title shot against Savage down the line, and completes the hat trick by killing off Savage en route to winning his first WWF title.
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Post by Ed on Nov 25, 2021 1:06:45 GMT
RT , actually Christopher Daniels did win the ROH title at the 15th-anniversary show.
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Post by Peepshow on Dec 7, 2021 21:24:39 GMT
Kind of reverses Kilgore's fine booking of the Austin/Rock feud but whatever. Steve Austin defeats Chris Jericho and The Rock to unify the WCW and WWF titles at Vengenance 2001. For such a monumental moment of finally unifying the NWA/WCW and WWF titles after 50 years Austin, still the biggest star in the industry doing the deed seems much for fitting than Chris Jericho. I’ve always wanted to flip that result to Austin to give us what should have been the 18 main event of Austin v Triple H. However I understand the desire to stay away from that as a double babyface match because Triple H would likely get booed because the audience was done with heel Austin the second Survivor Series was over.
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Post by Big Pete on Jan 16, 2022 4:24:21 GMT
Goldberg vs. Kevin Owens - Fastlane '17
Personally I wouldn't change the result, but clearly the WWE were pushing their luck with Bill and it led to this era where Brock held the belt for 18 months and made everyone else look like mid-carders.
So for those who weren't following the product at the time, the WWE were fishing for a big television deal so they re-introduced the brand split to boost SmackDown's ratings and created the Universal Championship which was virtually the RAW World Championship. The original plan was to push Finn Balor as the face of RAW, but Balor got injured in a match against Seth Rollins at SummerSlam and wouldn't return until after Wrestlemania XXXIII.
So they ran a storyline where Kevin Owens won a Fatal 4-Way that featured Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns & Big Cass after HHH screwed Rollins out of the championship. Owens would form a friendship with Jericho and the gimmick was that they'd come up with ways for Jericho to interfere and keep the title on Owens. This eventually backfired at Fastlane, so Owens turned on Jericho and beat him at Wrestlemania before putting him over on the next PPV and going to SmackDown where he started off as Mr. USA before feuding with Shane and eventually Daniel Bryan.
Meanwhile Goldberg would win the title and drop it to Brock at Wrestlemania XXXIII. Brock would defend it against Samoa Joe at Great Balls of Fire, in a Fatal 4-Way at SummerSlam against Joe, Roman & Braun, against Braun at No Mercy and then against Braun and Kane at the Rumble before entering a program against Reigns where Roman would eventually win it at SummerSlam after Braun distracted Brock. The plan and everyone saw it coming was to build Brock up and have him drop it to Brock, but Vince got cold feet and the thing dragged out comically long. The kicker was that Roman's cancer would return so Brock wound up winning the title again and having to put Rollins over virtually making it a 2 year reign.
What if, we avoid that headache and instead of pushing our luck with Bill, we go Owens-Zayn at Fastlane. The match triggers Owens' loner tendancies and he turns on Jericho who he beats at Wrestlemania and then in a gimmick match at Payback (the April PPV). On the June PPV (Extreme Rules) we book Finn Balor vs. Kevin Owens with Balor beating Owens giving him a run with the title.
Balor defends against Reigns, Rollins, The Miz & Joe before dropping it to Bray Wyatt. Balor we're getting ready to turn heel and join up with The Club (Gallows and Anderson) we also throw Neville (PAC) into the mix to push him up the card and get him away from 205Live. Bray on the other hand, is our heel and the whole purpose is to put together a program with him and Braun Strowman where the moster turns against his creator and we build our next Goldberg short but sweet high octane guy.
That all takes place from Fastlane '17 through till Wrestlemania XXXIV. At that point you consolidate on those core guys (Balor, Strowman, Owens, Reigns, Wyatt) with Brock, McIntyre and Lashley coming into the mix for the rest of 2018-19. Meanwhile you're starting to bring through guys like Chad Gable, Adam Cole, Ricochet, Aleister Black, Buddy Murphy etc. as your long term guys so by the time 2020 comes around you've got a few guys there fans actively want to see win the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 16:58:51 GMT
Summerslam 2003 - Goldberg should have won the WHC in the Elimination Chamber match.
I know the reason for him not winning (he wouldn't go on an international tour), but he looked like an absolute killer in the match and he'd finally got super over in WWE. It was kinda depressing to see him look so dominant, then "lol hhh wins again".
Yeah, he won it at Unforgiven anyway - but who ever cared about Unforgiven?!
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