MVP - Aaron Rodgers - It's the odds on favorite to happen again and honestly I think without the off the field stuff before and during the season than he would be a lock at this point. I do think that looms in the head of voters though. Runner Up: Jonathan Taylor  

OPOY - Jonathan Taylor - Without Cooper Kupps season this would be a no brainer but it's close. I just think this award usually goes to the MVP guy who isn't a quarterback and that is Taylor this year. Runner Up: Cooper Kupp 

DPOY - Myles Garrett - Could be he , Watt or Parsons at this point. I just like Garrett and think he is due the award and if he finishes the season strong - I could see him making a strong case even if it's technically 3rd in odds at this point. Runner Up: TJ Watt , Micah Parsons 

COTY - Matt LaFleur - I'm quite tired of him getting overlooked , he's on his way to another three loss season , another North title and did so on a team marred by major injuries , major storylines and distractions and the Packers are again the odds on favorite to win it all. Give him his due , especially in a year with no clear cut favorites. 

Comeback POTY - Dak Prescott - It's going to be Dak , it's been Daks since the season started even if he's tailed off through the year. Runner Up: Joe Burrow 

OROY - Mac Jones - If the Patriots bounce back and beat the Bills again and the Pats have a clear path to the AFC East and #1 or #2 seed than it's going to be Mac , whos been by far the best rookie QB in the league. Chase was once a lock for me but has hit a bit of a wall. Runner Up. Jamarr Chase 

DROY - Micah Parsons - The biggest no brainer of all the awards. He has a legitmate chance to even with overall DPOY. Runner Up: Patrick Surtain II 



And for a little fun , the anti Awards: 

Least valuable player: Ben Roethlisberger - He's done , I don't care that the Steelers are showing life but watching Ben play is painful and I think he has little to zero affect on Pitts success and probably hinders them from being actually competitive. 

Most offensive player of the year - Taysom Hill - The experiment is dead and buried. It's offensive to watch him play quarterback. 

Least defensive , defensive player of the year - Anthony Sorensen - I know he hasn't stood out as much lately in his ineptitude but there was a time this year where I thought he might be the worst player in football. 

Stay Away Player of the Year - Cam Newton - Like seriously. Cam has no business in the NFL and though I get it for publicity reasons - starting Cam Newton at QB in 2021 is an insult to football. 

Can't Coach of the Year - Urban Meyer - I mean no shit. Nagy can't even win this award because of Urban but he would be a lock in any other year ever. 

Most Offensive Rookie of the Year - Trevor Lawrence/Zach Wilson - Top 2 quarterbacks taken in the draft and the ugliest of the bunch. I'm still higher on Lawrence turning it around more so than Wilson but both guys have been brutal this year for Route 66 sized stretches. 

Yeah LOL at LaFleur winning over Bill Bellichick.

I also think Jalen Waddle should get some recognition for OROY, but they'll probably go for a QB.

Stay Away POTY is a tie between Cam and Bell for me. Bell is becoming an NFL cockroach who goes from getting cut by everyone, trying to fight Jake Paul, getting owned by Jake Paul, to signing with the Bucs. I remember thinking Lev would reignite his career, but he couldn't even beat Freeman or Murray for the job.

LOL HAHAHA they are literally 200 points away betting wise , which is quite negligible. Especially when the Packers could win out and the Pats could drop a game.

Bill Belichek gets his nuts hugged enough. We seen what happened to him last year when his best players opted out - we’ve seen LaFleur keep rolling despite losing a ton of his best players. It shouldn’t go unnoticed.

Dec 22, 2021 18:09:22 GMT UT said:

LOL HAHAHA they are literally 200 points away betting wise , which is quite negligible. Especially when the Packers could win out and the Pats could drop a game.

Bill Belichek gets his nuts hugged enough. We seen what happened to him last year when his best players opted out - we’ve seen LaFleur keep rolling despite losing a ton of his best players. It shouldn’t go unnoticed.

I wasn't trying to shit on LaFleur, to be honest. I just think it's dumb to think that he is doing a better job then Bill is this year considering Bill has a rookie QB and a bunch of free agent signings that he's had to coach to mesh together. It's not about nut hugging. Nut hugging would be you saying Rodgers and LaFleur are both top honors to win awards when neither will win.

Rodgers is literally the odds on favorite to win as of right now and LaFleur is #2 and they are on track to finish with the best record in the NFL. It’s not nuthugging you fucking moron , it’s literally right there objectively.

Belichek could win , but he could lose to Buffalo this week and LaFleur could keep winning. The odds would certainly shift as would likely the awards. We could lose a game we shouldn’t and kill LaFleurs chance and Rodgers odds would dive too.

Also the idea that spending MORE MONEY THAN ANY TEAM IN HISTORY ON FREE AGENTS is somehow a point to him for coaching is fucking stupid.

Or the idea of having Aaron fucking Rodgers as your QB makes you the COACH OF THE YEAR over someone with a rookie QB is fucking stupid.

Aaron Rodgers is going to lose his 'MVP lead' this week against Cleveland. There's 0% chance he wins MVP.

You also have to be stupid to think that the NFL is going to give the MVP to Aaron Rodgers after his COVID stunt. You're smarter then that and you know that the NFL is not going to put themselves in the spotlight with that decision. Right or wrong. The Vegas odds can suck a dick, too. They don't decide who the winner is going to be.

They'll give it to Jonathan Taylor if he continues this streak before they give it to Aaron Rodgers even if he wins out the rest of the season.

The NFL doesn’t choose the MVP you ignorant little prick , the sportswriters and broadcasters do. Vegas clearly doesn’t choose the MVP but they generally always get it right with the odds by the end of the year. So while yea there is a chance Rodgers faulters - on this trajectory he is going to be a favorite to win it.

And also to continue to show your complete retardation in how these things work. Two of Belicheks COTY awards came with Brady in an MVP year. Harbaughs came in Jackson’s MVP year. Rivera’s came with Newton’s MVP year. Having an MVP quarterback doesn’t disqualify you from winning COTY and it never has.

You win this argument, ya little retard!

BUT

You will be wrong and neither will win the award.

Bill will win COTY, because he IS the Coach of the Year.

Aaron Rodgers will NOT win MVP because they will not give it to him after the COVID stunt he pulled. It'll be out of principle. I'll still be surprised if they give it to Jonathan Taylor though, but it wouldn't surprise me if they go Bill and Brady here.

I've become a Steelers fan. Ben deserves the LVP.

My guess is we will get a 2nd 4 time mvp in either Aaron Rodgers or Tom brady

I'm surprised Rodgers isn't an even stronger favourite honestly. I'd have Kupp in second ahead of JT. I love Taylor (especially having him in fantasy) but I think an RBs success is so dependent on the o-line and the running scheme. Kupp has been the engine of the Rams offence all season and has made Matt Stafford in LA rather than the other way around.

I think TJ Watt will win DPOTY. He's gone clear of Garrett in sacks and has an outside chance of getting to Strahan's season record.

Lawrence's first season feels worse than Wilson's to me, when you consider Zach being out with an injury, a tough schedule, and just how many pieces the Jets offence has lost over the year. Wilson has shown a little bit in game script situations recently while Lawrence seems to be getting worse and worse - he has 2 TDs and 6 interceptions in 8 games since the bye! :lol:

Dec 22, 2021 21:09:23 GMT UT said:

The NFL doesn’t choose the MVP you ignorant little prick , the sportswriters and broadcasters do. Vegas clearly doesn’t choose the MVP but they generally always get it right with the odds by the end of the year. So while yea there is a chance Rodgers faulters - on this trajectory he is going to be a favorite to win it.

Even worse.   Media voters are notoriously vindictive, so the COVID drama probably costs him MVP votes.

Dec 23, 2021 0:02:25 GMT @admin said:

I'm surprised Rodgers isn't an even stronger favourite honestly. I'd have Kupp in second ahead of JT. I love Taylor (especially having him in fantasy) but I think an RBs success is so dependent on the o-line and the running scheme. Kupp has been the engine of the Rams offence all season and has made Matt Stafford in LA rather than the other way around.

I think TJ Watt will win DPOTY. He's gone clear of Garrett in sacks and has an outside chance of getting to Strahan's season record.

Lawrence's first season feels worse than Wilson's to me, when you consider Zach being out with an injury, a tough schedule, and just how many pieces the Jets offence has lost over the year. Wilson has shown a little bit in game script situations recently while Lawrence seems to be getting worse and worse - he has 2 TDs and 6 interceptions in 8 games since the bye!

Receiver is an even more dependent position than RB, so no way that Kupp win it over Taylor.   If Jerry Rice didn't win the MVP in 87, no receiver ever will.

Dec 23, 2021 0:02:25 GMT @admin said:

I'm surprised Rodgers isn't an even stronger favourite honestly. I'd have Kupp in second ahead of JT. I love Taylor (especially having him in fantasy) but I think an RBs success is so dependent on the o-line and the running scheme. Kupp has been the engine of the Rams offence all season and has made Matt Stafford in LA rather than the other way around.

I think TJ Watt will win DPOTY. He's gone clear of Garrett in sacks and has an outside chance of getting to Strahan's season record.

Lawrence's first season feels worse than Wilson's to me, when you consider Zach being out with an injury, a tough schedule, and just how many pieces the Jets offence has lost over the year. Wilson has shown a little bit in game script situations recently while Lawrence seems to be getting worse and worse - he has 2 TDs and 6 interceptions in 8 games since the bye! :lol:

I think the weapons point actually favors Wilson. I’d take the Jets over the Jags in terms of receivers and I do think he is in a much better position coaching wise. Urban Meyer and bud drama and grasp of the NFL was on full display. The Jets have lost players as the year went along but so have the Jags (Chark and Etienne) and even Agnew. The fact that Jamal Agnew was a huge loss for an offense speaks to the shape the Jags offense has been in.

You could argue either way and which is why I copped out and split the award.

Dec 23, 2021 0:03:24 GMT thereallt said:

Dec 22, 2021 21:09:23 GMT UT said:

The NFL doesn’t choose the MVP you ignorant little prick , the sportswriters and broadcasters do. Vegas clearly doesn’t choose the MVP but they generally always get it right with the odds by the end of the year. So while yea there is a chance Rodgers faulters - on this trajectory he is going to be a favorite to win it.

Even worse.   Media voters are notoriously vindictive, so the COVID drama probably costs him MVP votes.

Maybe some but there are also media and TV people who have defended Rodgers during broadcast (see Collinsworth) and he seems to still have supporters out there. As I said - without the Covid stuff I think he would have ran away with it - with the Covid stuff he isn’t a lock by any means but IF he stays the course and finishes that much better than everyone else than they may just begrudgingly vote for him.

As far as COTY goes, I think Belichick is gonna win out, unless the Patriots shit the bed the last couple of games. LaFleur has been great, but I think having Aaron Rodgers play for him is likely going to cost him votes, as many voters will see LaFleur's success as a product of Aaron Rodgers, while Belichick is winning with a rookie QB playing game manager and even won a game where his QB threw only 3 times.

If he does he will probably will , unless the Packers start killing people.

I think the job LaFleur has done has been remarkable. Even starting from the way he handled the Rodgers drama coming into the season to all the injuries and still chugging along.

People talk about the Ravens injuries and rightfully so but the Packers were also down like 11 starters on Sunday. And down so many of their best players it’s kind of laughable. Yes he has Rodgers but he nor the team has missed a beat after Week 1.

Your being very harsh on both Lawrence and Wilson while omitting Fields for some reason when all 3's stats aren't far apart from one another. The top 2 picks go on teams that won 1 and 2 games and don't get the luxury of going on a better side like say Mac Jones. Add the weapons that have gone down for both sides, the ineptitude of coaching on the Jags part that has wasted Lawrence rookie year and the injury to Wilson's knees that sidelined him for a couple of games and I don't agree with them being the most offensive of the rookies. Trey Lance isn't even playing for the 49ers excluding an emergency start or on package plays.

I expected Wilson to struggle all things considered the way the Jets were setup, especially now with the losses via COVID and injury(Becton/C Davis/E Moore). I think the same can be said on Lawrence too with the lack of talent on the OLine in front of him and the one dimensional attack Meyer wanted the Jags to be offensively by neglecting Robinson mightily, starting by taking Ettiene whose season was lost before it began in round 1.

The Packers roster now stands

Rodgers
Jones/Dillon
Adams/Lazard/MVS

All of which are great to have but then …

TE#2

LT #3
LG #2
C #2
RG #2
RT #2

Not a single starter remains on the line and even 3rd stringers are starting. And losing Tonyan.

Defense

DE #1
DT #1
DE #1

Edge #2
LB #1
LB #2
Edge #3

CB #2 (rookie)
CB #5 (practice squad)
S #1
S #1

That’s just the starters. 11 or 12 from the preferred starting lineup gone. Not saying every team doesn’t deal with this but the Packers are missing 4 or 5 All Pro caliber players. It’s crazy.

Take away 5 out of the Top 8 of any teams players and I’d be curious to see how well they maintain and adapt.

Dec 23, 2021 0:02:25 GMT @admin said:

Lawrence's first season feels worse than Wilson's to me, when you consider Zach being out with an injury, a tough schedule, and just how many pieces the Jets offence has lost over the year. Wilson has shown a little bit in game script situations recently while Lawrence seems to be getting worse and worse - he has 2 TDs and 6 interceptions in 8 games since the bye!

If Lawrence doesn't light up a Jets team that now has 17 guys lost via COVID, more than half of which are starters on defense, I would be scared if I am a Jags fan. This week is MADE for him to dominate. We are going to play our 6th and 7th string safeties for fuck sakes. Marcus Maye/LaMarcus Joyner were already lost, Elijah Riley got the neck injury last week........Ashtyn Davis and Sharrod Neasman(Who?) are lost on COVID. We are going to play a guy we just claimed from Miami yesterday most likely at starter :rofl: 

No John Franklin Myers, not sure Quinnen Williams plays with the banged up shoulder, the LB and S core has been decimated. 

Dec 23, 2021 0:48:14 GMT Blindy said:

Your being very harsh on both Lawrence and Wilson while omitting Fields for some reason when all 3's stats aren't far apart from one another. The top 2 picks go on teams that won 1 and 2 games and don't get the luxury of going on a better side like say Mac Jones. Add the weapons that have gone down for both sides, the ineptitude of coaching on the Jags part that has wasted Lawrence rookie year and the injury to Wilson's knees that sidelined him for a couple of games and I don't agree with them being the most offensive of the rookies. Trey Lance isn't even playing for the 49ers excluding an emergency start or on package plays.

I expected Wilson to struggle all things considered the way the Jets were setup, especially now with the losses via COVID and injury(Becton/C Davis/E Moore). I think the same can be said on Lawrence too with the lack of talent on the OLine in front of him and the one dimensional attack Meyer wanted the Jags to be offensively by neglecting Robinson mightily, starting by taking Ettiene whose season was lost before it began in round 1.

Fields was a lower pick , has maybe the worst coach left in football after Lawrence and probably has passed my eyeball test a little better mainly because of his scrambling ability. I don’t think he’s any better either but from a coach who refused to even start him - to starting him with an abysmal game plan after gameplan and I didn’t include him. Not giving him a pass but he has been mishandled from the day he was drafted.

Dec 23, 2021 0:53:28 GMT UT said:

Dec 23, 2021 0:48:14 GMT Blindy said:

Your being very harsh on both Lawrence and Wilson while omitting Fields for some reason when all 3's stats aren't far apart from one another. The top 2 picks go on teams that won 1 and 2 games and don't get the luxury of going on a better side like say Mac Jones. Add the weapons that have gone down for both sides, the ineptitude of coaching on the Jags part that has wasted Lawrence rookie year and the injury to Wilson's knees that sidelined him for a couple of games and I don't agree with them being the most offensive of the rookies. Trey Lance isn't even playing for the 49ers excluding an emergency start or on package plays.

I expected Wilson to struggle all things considered the way the Jets were setup, especially now with the losses via COVID and injury(Becton/C Davis/E Moore). I think the same can be said on Lawrence too with the lack of talent on the OLine in front of him and the one dimensional attack Meyer wanted the Jags to be offensively by neglecting Robinson mightily, starting by taking Ettiene whose season was lost before it began in round 1.

Fields was a lower pick , has maybe the worst coach left in football after Lawrence and probably has passed my eyeball test a little better mainly because of his scrambling ability. I don’t think he’s any better either but from a coach who refused to even start him - to starting him with an abysmal game plan after gameplan and I didn’t include him. Not giving him a pass but he has been mishandled from the day he was drafted.

The Jets have a rookie signal caller and HC, I like Mike LaFleur but there was going to be growing pains off the get go. Even worse was the Jets QB  coach Greg Knapp passed away in a bicycle accident prior to the start of the year. Fields problem is the internal clock of when to get the ball out, same issue Zach Wilson has with being late on throws. To Wilson's credit, he has cut down on the rate of INTs since returning from injury. It just sucks the Keelan Cole's, Denzel Mims' aren't winning on the LOS the routes that he needs to help these throws. He was running for his life the 2nd half vs Miami this past week, it's so hard to evaluate him on that. Might have been the worst OLine play all year for NYJ excluding Week 1 vs Carolina where Wilson got devoured every other snap. 

The fact that the Jets may trot out a leftside of Connor McDermott(If George Fant who has been steady and solid cannot return) and Dan Feeney who has been garbage since his Charger days(In for Alijah Vera Tucker........whose is out with COVID) is downright criminal and the Jet beat writers who seriously think Wilson or any QB can make these 3rd string at best lineman who are responsible for protecting the left side work are out of their fucking minds. "Get the ball out faster" how can you if your WR core is down Corey Davis, Elijah Moore and will be down both Jeff & Vycent Smith via COVID. :lol: Even fringe NFL guys won't be available. 

Former QB JT O'Sullivan always does a great job with his QB video breakdowns(Was a lot of fun to watch predraft process for this group of QBs) but I was really happy to see him dissect the last Zach Wilson game vs Miami, some self inflicted mistakes by Zach Wilson but you don't truly get to see just how bad LT Connor McDermott is. I've seent his song and dance for about 2 years now whenever he is called into service but he was the LT gameplanned all week long, not even like he came in for an injury or something!


It's a long video but fucking christ, go to about 36 minutes of the video. The backup LG Dan Feeney has to tell the LT Connor McDermott who he is blocking. :rofl:

MVP - Rodgers has it locked down barring an insane amount of voters going awry because of off the field stuff.

OROY - After Chases performance yesterday he has to take it back.

DROY - Parsons lock.

COTY - Its become a three way race between Flower , Vrabel and Taylor. Id still give it to Flower but any of the three I get. Money on Vrabel.

CBPOTY - it’s going to be Dak but it should be Burrow

OPOY - Kupp edges out Taylor

DPOY - Pribably going to be Watt. Bleh.

It still kind of bugs me that Watt is going to win DPOY - I love TJ and have forever but it's so clear looking at every metric outside of the raw numbers that Garrett is the best edge player in the league and in the conversation for best defender in the league. Bleh.

Really messed up to me that a Chicago writer who has a vote for associated press MVP is not going to vote for Aaron Rodgers because of the way he handled his positive test and because he didn't want to get vaccinated and avoid missing time or distraction for his team. That's like blaming him for catching a contagious, airborne disease basically. What happened to production on the field? Packers looked terrible with Love at QB(Not Love's fault but still). I am fully vaccinated and prefer people to get theirs but I won't shame people who don't get it either. He was disingenuous as far as if he got his dose(s) or not sure but that should not be a factor for MVP votes.

There are going to be writers out there who are going to have that viewpoint , I just don't know that it'll be enough to cost him the award. I don't agree with any of Rodgers views on the vaccine and am frustrated as hell with the way he went about it but as you said - it should be about what it meant on the field. If Rodgers didn't make such a strong case and it was more 50/50 I think it would cost him , but I honestly think at this point that without the off the field stuff ... he would be a unanimous choice and that will carry enough votes overall.

Plus he's a Chicago writer. Little bitch. Probably didn't like the "I Still Own You" comments either and was looking for a reason.