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Post by Blindy on Jan 13, 2022 14:33:46 GMT
With the National Title game out of the way, we now get to arguably one of the best parts of the NFL Offseason, the NFL Draft and prep leading to it! We have Senior Bowl(Jets and Lions coaching staff get the honors of that) coming up in Feburary, the shrine bowl not too far away from that, the ever important NFL Combine quickly after that, Pro Days & interviews after and then with NFL Free Agency in March, this becomes the ultimate game of cat & mouse with prospects and general managers/war rooms. This draft is massively important for the Jets. Nevermind a GM that should be on the hot seat in Joe Douglas, the Jets not only are coaching half of the Senior Bowl which is a massive leg up for scouting but also have 9 picks, all in rounds 1-5 including 4 top 40 picks so while the Jets should not rely on the NFL Draft to address the team's overall lack of talent, they need to have some big hits. Some of the storylines thus far of this draft have to be: 1) Who goes #1: Does chalk prevail and the overall consensus #1 pick in Oregon DE Kayvon Thibodeaux stay and join Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville? Or does Michigan DE Aidan Hutchinson's meteoric 2021 rise get him the top spot? Do the Jaguars go OT with either Alabama OT Evan Neal or NC State OT Ikem Ekwonu to protect Trevor Lawrence after Greg Robinson did a mediocre job? Possibilities are endless and unlike last year's consensus of Trevor Lawrence going #1 that was set in stone for years, this one could go so many ways. 2) QB1: Who is QB1 in this draft? Last year had 5 signal callers go amongst the top half of the 1st round in Lawrence(JAX), Wilson(NYJ), Lance(SF), Fields(CHI) and Jones(NE). Two of the 5 required trade ups, so the census is if you want your guy you best trade up future draft picks to get him. The intrigue of this draft is that there isn't a true standout QB and not one really worthy of a top 5 selection thus far. Kenny Pickett of PIT had a insane 2021 season, Matt Corral of OLE MISS despite leaving his bowl game with an injury is considered the ultimate gunslinger of the class. Malik Willis of Little LIBERTY is this year's Trey Lance of small school, big time athlete with the biggest upside of the group. Carson Strong of NEVADA is looking to be the 1st QB to make a start in the NFL since Colin Kaepernick despite worries about his legs, particularly mobility & health of them despite the solid accuracy numbers. Sam Howell of UNC was considered the consensus QB1 going into the year but the loss of his RB duo of J Williams & M Carter may have put the ball in his backyard a little too much and he could not get the Tar Heels to enough wins and may have dashed his hopes of being the top signal caller chosen. Nobody knows what the order is but there's certainly plenty of teams in need a QB now or at the very least down the road. Washington, Atlanta, Denver, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, maybe Cleveland, Detroit, Carolina, a lot of hungry suitors on the table. Really curious who goes where in this draft. 3) Two(Or Even Three's) Plenty: As with every draft, you've got some lucky teams who have multiple draft picks in their arsenal. Detroit owns two 1sts including the 2nd overall pick, the Jets own the 4th and 10th picks, the Giants own the 5th and 7th draft selections, the Eagles have 3 1st rounders. Do you start trading up and get brave with the surplus of draft capitol? Who do you choose with the 1st pick vs say your later pick? How many rookies do you want on a roster if your looking to compete? Do these picks go to more proven commodities in the NFL? Free agency and trading will change the order of this draft as it always does, curious who does what! Figure we can use a thread with so many teams eliminated and all the college games out of the way. A lot about to happen and go down, hoping OMICRON doesn't damper the NFL combine etc like COVID ruined the 2020 NFL Draft.
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Post by KING KID on Jan 13, 2022 14:39:00 GMT
I think the most fascinating team to watch during this draft (and off-season) is the Giants.
Whoever the Giants choose to be the new GM of this franchise is being given a gift right here that he MUST nail if he wants this organization to be successful for the next decade. I don't think Daniel Jones is the answer, but one more year of him if you fill other voids with the 5 and 7 pick would be okay. You'd have to hope for the best and just tolerate it. They need to keep up with the rebuilding of the Eagles and try and catch up to the Cowboys. Shit; they need to catch up to Washington too if you look at this season. Still, the Giants have Saquon Barkley and hopefully he can go back to being a monster next season. Same goes for Kenny Golladay. Kadarius Toney might be a beast in the making, too. They will have a new HC this year also so this is definitely an ALL EYES ON THEM off-season, in my opinion.
Get this off-season right and save the fan base for the next decade at least.
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Post by Blindy on Jan 13, 2022 14:46:34 GMT
I think the most fascinating team to watch during this draft (and off-season) is the Giants. Whoever the Giants choose to be the new GM of this franchise is being given a gift right here that he MUST nail if he wants this organization to be successful for the next decade. I don't think Daniel Jones is the answer, but one more year of him if you fill other voids with the 5 and 7 pick would be okay. You'd have to hope for the best and just tolerate it. They need to keep up with the rebuilding of the Eagles and try and catch up to the Cowboys. Shit; they need to catch up to Washington too if you look at this season. Still, the Giants have Saquon Barkley and hopefully he can go back to being a monster next season. Same goes for Kenny Golladay. Kadarius Toney might be a beast in the making, too. They will have a new HC this year also so this is definitely an ALL EYES ON THEM off-season, in my opinion. Get this off-season right and save the fan base for the next decade at least. Their top 3 needs going to the draft have to be EDGE(Need a legit difference maker to go after the QB), OT(Maybe if they take one high they push Andrew Thomas to RT, he was a Gettleman pick) and LB. They need a lot of help on the defensive side, the playmakers are there and they can use 1-2 lineman for sure and a new TE with Engram a FA to be but I think they go defense heavy in this draft. LBs like Nakobi Dean and EDGE like George Karlaftis could be names of interest for Big Blue.
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Post by Blindy on Feb 4, 2022 1:08:56 GMT
Given the Jets are coaching one of the two teams at the ever important Senior Bowl this week, man Liberty QB Malik Willis is the absolute darling of the whole thing. This is with the likes of Sam Howell, Heisman finalist Kenny Pickett and Carson Strong in the game too. His numbers and throws have had GMs and coaches salivating. Detroit is coaching him up and have the 2nd overall pick, it's him at 2 or never for Holmes and Campbell pretty much. A lot still to go on such as the actual game, the Combine and pro days but Malik Willis is getting rave reviews and is getting the QB1 tag at the moment. This is good news for the Jets given Detroit has mocked to get one of the two highly touted pass rushers, means the Jags and Texans stand in the way but Jacksonville may end up fielding calls for Willis if the hype is truly ballooned up or they may be forced to take an OT to protect Lawrence. All of the draft pundits from Todd McShady to Daniel Jeremiah have been floored with Willis this senior bowl. Coaches like Mike Tomlin of PIT who has been gushing with his parents, though no shot Willis may fall to them. Couple of players who the Jets are probably gushing over are the TEs like Trey McBride of Colorado St and TE Jeremy Tucker of Ohio St. If Joe Douglas does not get Zach Wilson a worthwhile TE this offseason, he should pack his bags and just leave. 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds, lets fucking go already. @admin Malik Willis looks like the Josh Allen type of kid Daboll and Schoen would cream over, just a matter of can he get to them at 5 or does someone jump over them if Detroit passes.
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Post by @admin on Mar 4, 2022 2:05:45 GMT
Lot of fast 40s being recorded at the combine today. Baylor WR Tyquan Thornton ran 4.28, while Cincinatti QB Desmond Ridder ran 4.52 which is faster than Mariota, Mahomes & Wilson. I've seen Ridder play quite a bit (more than most prospects) and I really like him, hope for his sake he lands in a good spot like Denver or Pittsburgh.
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Post by thereallt on Mar 5, 2022 7:49:14 GMT
For offensive tackles, they should have them run the 40 backwards. That would be a lot more useful in evaluating them. I want to see FOOTWORK when I evaluate offensive tackles.
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Post by UT on Mar 5, 2022 23:30:11 GMT
Jordan Davis (DT Georgia) just ran a 4.78 40 at 348 pounds.
It means little football wise but holy shit. That’s an athlete.
For comparison Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin both ran 4.71
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Post by Ed on Mar 6, 2022 2:03:58 GMT
I wonder how the Steelers view Keeny Pickett or Malik Wills. I mean, shit, anyone besides Dwayne Haskins or Mason Rudolph would be an upgrade.
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Post by @admin on Mar 6, 2022 6:57:39 GMT
Jordan Davis (DT Georgia) just ran a 4.78 40 at 348 pounds. It means little football wise but holy shit. That’s an athlete. For comparison Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin both ran 4.71 He's a good player too though, would have gone first round even before this but now is probably locked in for the top 20. It's by far the fastest ever time by a guy that size. He's probably a little bit limited in terms of pass rush and is more of a run stuffer, but those space eating guys have almost come around back into value as so many teams play these shell defensive coverages.
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Post by Blindy on Mar 6, 2022 7:52:57 GMT
Jordan Davis (DT Georgia) just ran a 4.78 40 at 348 pounds. It means little football wise but holy shit. That’s an athlete. For comparison Jerry Rice and Anquan Boldin both ran 4.71 He's a good player too though, would have gone first round even before this but now is probably locked in for the top 20. It's by far the fastest ever time by a guy that size. He's probably a little bit limited in terms of pass rush and is more of a run stuffer, but those space eating guys have almost come around back into value as so many teams play these shell defensive coverages. What his knock was in UGA was the lack of snaps. Not sure if that is because as you said he's a better run stuffer vs a passer, the fact that Georgia has deep depth on defense(I mean like 4-5 guys were pumping out sub 4.8 times, EDGE Trevon Walker may have aced the combine today, so much he might be a top 10 lock! Daniel Jeremiah is glowing about him, has him over Thibodeaux who left after the 40 time and weights with the other stuff going to his Oregon pro day) or in-game conditioning. I think his floor are the Chargers, he may go as high as 9 to Denver if no QB is in sight for them and they can't get Rodgers. He would be a huge solution for their run D woes. Combine has been good, can't wait to see the CBs(Gardner/Stingley/McDuffie/Booth/Gordon) and S(Hamilton/Brisker/Pitre) to wrap it up, Jets will be in the draft for 1 if not 2 guys out of this bunch IMO. I think too much is made on Keyvon Thibodeaux missing the rest of the combine, he's probably just following what his camp wants. Zach Wilson nor Trevor Lawrence did much if anything at all excluding pro days and that turned out well for both. Couple of guys hit below 4.3 and this isn't including the usually fast CB group that come into the combine. The guy who may tear it up is CB Tariq Woolen from Texas San Antonio University. Was considered the fastest guy in the senior bowl for either side, he may really shake the 40 time up. Given how little Derek Stingley Jr played, he really needs a great draft process class to shake off the "Injury/lack of reps" woes he has going against him.
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Post by @admin on Mar 29, 2022 1:57:36 GMT
Apparently Kyle Hamilton ran a 4.7 40 at the ND pro day (after recording 4.59 at the combine), I wonder if that will affect his likelihood of being a top 5 or even 10 pick. He's taller than most of the elite safeties in the league, but that time makes him significantly slower. He has similar measurements to a guy like Kam Chancellor.
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Post by UT on Mar 29, 2022 13:28:48 GMT
I don't even know why he would run again to be honest. It will probably affect his draft stock because teams are stupid , I would love for him to drop to the Packers - I'd take him in an instant. Watching him play it's clear he's not a step slow compared to everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 14:20:56 GMT
I don’t think it’ll affect it that much. Teams will be looking at that ridiculous Ed Reed play and it’ll allay any concerns about speed.
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Post by KING KID on Mar 30, 2022 14:24:42 GMT
Malcolm Jenkins retired.
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Post by UT on Mar 30, 2022 14:28:54 GMT
I wonder how that affects his draft stock.
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Post by KING KID on Mar 30, 2022 14:42:45 GMT
I wonder how that affects his draft stock. Too many NFL threads~!
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Post by @admin on Apr 20, 2022 2:03:29 GMT
Hamilton's under/over has now dropped to 10.5 which feels a lot more reasonable for a safety. Even that feels a little bit rich to me considering a guy like Derwin James fell to 17. I think there's some money to be made on the overs for most of the WRs considering how muddled the rankings seem to be at that position.
I've been digging in a little bit on the differences between the OTs and I'm still leaning towards Ekwonu over Neal for the Giants based on his superior run blocking. Some people really like Charles Cross but I'd be a little bit wary of him coming from an air raid offence.
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Post by Blindy on Apr 20, 2022 2:08:30 GMT
Jets are (sadly) in on Ekwonu. Not because he is a bad prospect but I don't want to sell on Mehki Becton so damn soon because he took a season ender in Week 1 last year. His weight needs to be controlled but Joe Douglas giving up on Becton, his 1st draft pick is a terrible indictment on that entire 2020 NFL Draft class. George Fant also proved his worth big time and deserves one of the two spots.
Sounds like if the 1-2-3 is Hutchinson-T. Walker-Thibodeaux that NYJ takes Ekwonu and one of the current tackles gets traded.
Guys I want on NYJ at 4:
Keyvon Thibodeaux Ahmad Gardner Aidan Hutchinson(Won't make it)
Will Be Pissed if chosen at 4:
Charles Cross Evan Neal Derek Stingley Jr(Fine at pick 10 though) Jermaine Johnson(Whatever at pick 10 though if the Jets get Gardner)
Not happy if chosen at 4: Ikem Ekwonu Travon Walker
In order of least wanted to most wanted, I don't like any one of these options at 4. Jets can mess up pick 4 really, really bad. I am very nervous over who this team takes. Indifferent if NYJ goes WR at 4, but that's because I don't think anyone is worth it. If they view Garrett Wilson as some franchise WR who they know won't get past Atlanta at 8, than so be it I guess but I think you go EDGE at 4 or if the top 3 EDGE guys go, Sauce Gardner.
For 10, get one of the two elite CBs or whatever WR you want, particularly G. Wilson/Drake Lonson/Jamison Williams. Pick 10 I am less crazy about.
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Post by mikec on Apr 20, 2022 12:27:05 GMT
At first I wanted Chiefs to trade the two picks to move up a good ways and grab an Olave or Williams. Then I wanted the Chiefs to take two defensive players with their picks unless one of the top 4 receivers are falling. Now I’m hoping they trade 30 to someone wanting to get a 5th year option QB for two day 2 picks to get more shots at building something.
I think they’re going D Line in the first round no matter what, either edge or DT. The big needs are there, DB, WR, and TE depth in the second/third round.
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Post by UT on Apr 20, 2022 12:45:45 GMT
I’ve been working on my list of draft crushes. Will post soon. I’m always back and forth as to what I want the Packers to do because my heart says receicers but my brain sees there is a ton of fun talent on defense in the back end of the 1st.
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Post by UT on Apr 20, 2022 13:22:22 GMT
My draft crushes for the Packers
1. Chris Olave - Been my favorite receiver in the draft since the beginning. Not a perfect prospect but I love the way he runs routes and seems like the kind of guy most likely to replace a little of what Tae did. Great speed and seperation as well - just would like to see him add 5-10 pounds of muscle if possible.
2. George Pickens - He's grown and grown on me the most I research and study. Love his size/speed/athletic ability , his hands and ability to go up and get the ball. I would love a 1-2 punch of Olave and Pickens in the first round.
3. Daxton Hill - Would be more and more okay with him with the 2nd pick of the first round provided we get a receiver first. I love his versatility and think he could be an early game changer for this defense.
4. Troy Andersen - This guy is fucking awesome. A former quarterback and running back at Montana State who now plays linebacker - but he is one of the best athletes in this draft and posted the highest RAS score of any linebacker ever. Just a freak who also happens to be incredibly smart and instinctive. At the worst he's an all pro special teamer but his upside is through the roof. I would love the Packers to get him in the 3rd round if he fell.
5. Bernard Raimann - More of a last resort for the Packers not. My favorite tackle after Ikem and Neal. Raimman is going to be a stuff.
6. Nic Bonitto - Pure pass rush specialist that would be a great fit for the Packers to spell Smith or Gary. Probably never a 3 down player but he would be an awesome specialized player.
7. Travis Jones - My favorite DT prospect in the draft. Think he has a lot of Chris Jones in him and think and and Clark would create a mammoth and potentially great line duo.
8. Skyy Moore - I don't think the Packers actually draft him but if he were to fall into the second round - I would be happy to have him.
9. Velus Jones Jr - Older prospect and may never be a great receiver but if we could get 8 years of elite return ability out of him and some special plays I'd be happy in the 4th round or so.
10. Tyquan Thorton - Just based on pure speed and speculation.
11. Logan Bruss - Reminds me a bit of Newman. Think he could come in and compete at tackle or guard after being a day three pick.
Others I kind of like - Christian Watson Treylon Burkes (meh) Zion Johnson
Thats just for the Packers. I do like quite a few guys at the top of the draft like Sauce , Hutchinson , Hamilton and Linderbaum. Maybe I'll do a bunch more later.
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Post by UT on Apr 20, 2022 13:22:54 GMT
Ah shit I forgot Lewis Cine. He'd be right there with Hill.
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Post by UT on Apr 23, 2022 23:29:34 GMT
I don’t know who has the NFL Network on here but their series Caught In thr Draft about past drafts has been great.
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Post by UT on Apr 25, 2022 23:37:45 GMT
Did my own mock:
Really weird and tough draft to try and figure out. I think the Top 10 could go so many ways. Not the perfect Packers mock for two rounds for me (that would be Olave and Hill with trading up to get Pickens in the 2nd)
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Post by @admin on Apr 25, 2022 23:39:10 GMT
Seems like there's been a bit of a shift in the top 5 - Travon Walker is now the favourite to go #1 overall and there's a rumour that Evan Neal has been "medically failed" by some teams which might see him slide down the board.
Unfortunately I've been booked in for some training at work on Friday so I'm not going to be able to watch live with you guys. 😔 Of all the days!
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Post by UT on Apr 25, 2022 23:46:32 GMT
I never know what to believe the week of. I wasn't gutsy enough to put Walker at #1 yet , it would just be so stupid and given the fact that some of the rumors are that it's because of Balke hating Harbaugh and it's even worse. You don't build teams that way. :lol: I would be shocked to get 4/65 of these right. It's that kind of year and even GM's are quoted as saying it's one of the toughest years to predict ever. And they expect a ton of trades from like 13 - 25. Sucks you won't be around. I'm sure I'll spam the hell out of everything with Blindy. Also hate the formatting of this site sometimes. Might do one more mock before Thursday to put Walker at #1 and Ridder at #20.
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Post by @admin on Apr 26, 2022 0:05:29 GMT
Baalke doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt but if there was one position I'd trust his scouting on it would be defensive line. He drafted Aldon Smith, Arik Armstead & DeForest Buckner for San Francisco and that is a very respectable hit rate in the first round.
I agree with Ridder going in the first round, he has a lot of traits that I think teams would be seduced by. I think I would definitely take over 2.5 quarterbacks going in the first round.
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Post by UT on Apr 26, 2022 0:10:27 GMT
Baalke doesn't really deserve the benefit of the doubt but if there was one position I'd trust his scouting on it would be defensive line. He drafted Aldon Smith, Arik Armstead & DeForest Buckner for San Francisco and that is a very respectable hit rate in the first round. I agree with Ridder going in the first round, he has a lot of traits that I think teams would be seduced by. I think I would definitely take over 2.5 quarterbacks going in the first round. He also passed on Watt to take Smith in that draft. I’m not saying that’s everything but I was more speaking to the point that there are reports out there talking about his relationship with Harbaugh coming into play.
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Post by Blindy on Apr 26, 2022 0:13:39 GMT
I hope this is smoke but Jets are favoring 23 year old Jermaine Johnson as an EDGE over Thibedeaux at 4. At 4. AT FOUR!
I took this guy at 14 with Baltimore, which should be his range. 4 is a reach of epic proportions. If that's truly the pick, I would fire Joe Douglas on the spot.
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Post by Blindy on Apr 26, 2022 0:17:37 GMT
Unfortunately I've been booked in for some training at work on Friday so I'm not going to be able to watch live with you guys. 😔 Of all the days! Damn you gonna miss the fireworks of rounds 2 and 3! Those are the best rounds usually! Big Thursday nighter for the future of NYG, rooting for you guys to slay the picks!
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