In 2012 WWE seriously looked into signing The Brisceos. They were fine with all the homophobic shit and what not. It was the concussions that was the reason they passed. By then Mark had five concussions that were made public. There is no way to put it lightly, Mark has some pretty bad brain damage at this point. Jay is not faring much better himself.

It was well known they could not pass the WWE medical evaluation ten years ago, since they injuries were added. They are a disaster waiting to happen at this point. You cannot keep taking blows to the head and expecting to be ok.

And it is worse than AEW not signing them.  Tony literally cannot sign them if he wants to keep his deal with Warnermedia.  That is how bad they fucked up.  WWE will never take them either.

I’m just gonna say it. The Briscoes are overrated as fuck and the only reason they were so successful in ROH is because they didn’t have anyone else.

ROH had some decent tag teams in the 2010’s but they all had other avenues of income and didn’t need ROH like ROH needed them. The Briscoes were the only competent team with name recognition that didn’t have any other options. Hence they won the ROH tag titles like 50 times.

Nobody is missing them aside from a handful of indie fans that think they deserve the same spotlight as Eddie Kingston or Dark Order or Lucha Bros. They don’t. They made their bed and they’re not even that talented in the first place. AEW isn’t missing anything by not having them.

Sinclair loved them lol. And we all knew why.

Jay looks like everyone's crazy uncle. Ded srs he resembles one I used to have.

I love watching Mark & Jay wrestle but they are dumb human beings.

All wrestlers are, so I really can't hold it against them. If anything I appreciate them more for not trying to work us into thinking otherwise.

Since Day 1. ROH died and so did any relevance they had. Time to move on.

Mar 13, 2022 22:07:47 GMT RT said:

I’m just gonna say it. The Briscoes are overrated as fuck and the only reason they were so successful in ROH is because they didn’t have anyone else.

ROH had some decent tag teams in the 2010’s but they all had other avenues of income and didn’t need ROH like ROH needed them. The Briscoes were the only competent team with name recognition that didn’t have any other options. Hence they won the ROH tag titles like 50 times.

Nobody is missing them aside from a handful of indie fans that think they deserve the same spotlight as Eddie Kingston or Dark Order or Lucha Bros. They don’t. They made their bed and they’re not even that talented in the first place. AEW isn’t missing anything by not having them.

Brisceos were amazing before RoH.  In CZW they were consistently amazing.  They actually predate the Lucha Bros, Kingston and Dark Order.  Just, as soon as they were legal to wrestle, they like started to get hurt and they got progressively worse.  Brain damage will do that.  

Shit quality but here is them vs Divine Storm from before all the concussions.  Look how fucking good they were.   IIRC they were 16 and 17 there.  Match ends with my all time favorite wrestling move too, the Storm Cradle Driver.  

I've been pretty disappointed in the AEW Tag Team division all told. I really thought AEW was going to be the tag team promotion and it was going to be very similar to the WWF circa 2000. Instead it's been booked very similarly as the women's division, it's a niche on the show and they're usually relegated to Rampage or Dark. The few featured teams all usually have close ties to the Bucks and work that one style of match whereas teams like FTR or LAX are left fighting for scraps. For whatever reason one of the featured tag teams is Darby Allin and Sting and neither of whom have any actual relevance in the division, other than putting any up and coming team in their place.

I don't think the Briscoes could really change matters, but at least they can work a different style of match and have a different personality. It's pretty tiring when the majority of the division is made up of goofballs.

I still think what they need to do is lucha rules. If a man's feet touch the floor that is a legal tag to their partner. Super small change that speeds up matches so much and forces everyone to change how they work. Makes the matches far more exciting imo, as no longer can you really just beat a guy on your side of the ring. The excitement from the matches, will transfer to the people in the matches. If they plan to do trios matches, this rule is really needed to even make them work.

Speaking of tag team rules, anyone find it weird how the tag team rules are obeyed diligently in the first half of the match, then when the hot tag is made it suddenly becomes a tornado tag and nobody, not even the referee, gives a fuck? It's been a thing for years and always kinda bugged me.

Yeah. Another reason I love Lucha rules. Ends all the weirdness with pacing and tag rules seemingly not mattering.

Mar 13, 2022 22:28:04 GMT @ness said:

All wrestlers are, so I really can't hold it against them. If anything I appreciate them more for not trying to work us into thinking otherwise.

Since Day 1. ROH died and so did any relevance they had. Time to move on.

Yeah, the Briscoes never seemed to do much wrestling outside of ROH.

Pretty sure RoH worked them to work for them almost exclusively, without getting paid to do so. Once Gabe took over, Briscoes stopped working elsewhere in the US out of major tournaments. They would do a lot of international dates. Now RoH collapsed they are working all over again. GCW is the fed taking the most advantage of it, and they will likely find a true home there given how far back them and Gage go.

AEW’s handling of the tag team division is disgraceful. FTR vs. The Young Bucks should be a PPV main event - instead it was just another match. Their division is so deep but no one is allowed to be important or meaningful outside the Bucks and now RedDragon. LAX, FTR, Lucia Bros - all were treated like afterthoughts throughout their runs. The reason the NXT tag team division was so hot, to the extent that they were main eventing Takeovers, is because they followed tag team rules. The matches were unique, they followed set rules that meant they were telling genuine stories and everyone was presented as unique characters who’s stories mattered. Going to Lucha rules would just make it a big fast spot fest on the card. Bringing in FTR, establishing tag rules and following them, this would set them apart and allow them to tell proper tag team stories in a way that works. The depth of tag teams they have is unbelievable - just give us a reason to care about them all.

Working tag team matches without the final 10 minutes becoming a circlejerk spotfest with no tagging required is a lost art. It has become so ingrained in wrestler's minds that they can't do anything else. The old style of tag team matches is gone.

The FTR vs American Alpha series in NXT remain the best tag team wrestling American has seen for a very long time. It's a shame FTR lost their way, now they're just guys who look like throwbacks instead of being throwbacks.

Not that AEW hasn't had some great tag matches. Young Bucks vs Kenny and Hangman. Young Bucks vs Moxley and Kingston. Young Bucks vs Santana and Ortiz in the cage. Honestly, I even like a lot of Jungle Express' recent matches. I'm shocked to find myself citing Young Bucks matches as the high watermark of the division. As much as I dislike them in general, they are capable of putting on real bangers once in a while. It was the same in New Japan.

All that said, there's far more average or just plain bad tag matches than good ones.

AEW should be working with what they have. They have a division packed with fast, high flying talent. Slowing everything down to work to a 1970's style may be awesome for FTW but not one else really benefits from it. Doing lucha rules is basically a way to grind out people in a short time. Sure a lot of it becomes spotfests, but that is by design. Most guys you do not want to see working the arm or shoulder for 15 minutes, you want to see them hitting their moves. Even with lucha rules, you can still slow matches down. All of the Rudo teams in CHIKARA, that used lucha rules, did just this. Benefit is you keep action in the ring as there is no real reason to fight outside.

I mean, here is the freaking Bucks working it in CHIKARA vs Orange and Drew Gulak in their ant phases.

So Nick Gage who has been to prison for armed robbery, has had a well documented drug history and has done tons of TV unfriendly deathmatches(Dominos pizza getting irate over him using a pizza cutter on a bloody Jericho during a commercial break was a semi big deal) can get redemption and be on national TV but the Briscoes can't?

I hate the fact of something being held against you from over a decade ago. This goes for Brian Kendrick too.

3 years in, and people are still expecting ring psychology and logical storytelling from a promotion founded by The Bucks and a division heavily built around The Bucks' superkick party.

You're kidding yourself.

Mar 15, 2022 1:43:47 GMT Blindy said:

So Nick Gage who has been to prison for armed robbery, has had a well documented drug history and has done tons of TV unfriendly deathmatches(Dominos pizza getting irate over him using a pizza cutter on a bloody Jericho during a commercial break was a semi big deal) can get redemption and be on national TV but the Briscoes can't?

I hate the fact of something being held against you from over a decade ago. This goes for Brian Kendrick too.

I actually agree here.  There is evidence as well that the Briscoes have changed.  Wrestling open gay men being the strongest indication.   That said, with the head trauma, still a major risk after Benoit.  

They so did Spanky dirty too.  Taking shit he said while an addict is low.

Also shows you how society is changing.  It is more acceptable to rob a bank than to say homophobic or transphobic shit.  

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Will say this though, end of the day the people who deserve real blame in all this are FTR.  They tried to go out on their own and book a storyline, and did not check with papa Khan first.  Now you have a match being sold that cannot actually happen in your fed.

Mar 15, 2022 1:43:47 GMT Blindy said:

So Nick Gage who has been to prison for armed robbery, has had a well documented drug history and has done tons of TV unfriendly deathmatches(Dominos pizza getting irate over him using a pizza cutter on a bloody Jericho during a commercial break was a semi big deal) can get redemption and be on national TV but the Briscoes can't?

I hate the fact of something being held against you from over a decade ago. This goes for Brian Kendrick too.

I don’t like Nick Gage either. I thought it was stupid to bring him in, and he’s proven recently that he’s still a piece of shit by stealing from independent wrestlers.

But if you want to go down that rabbit hole, Jericho and his wife donated to Trump, and I’m sure other AEW wrestlers have dark parts of their life as well.

If the Briscoes came in I wouldn’t protest. My point was that the company doesn’t need them and I don’t see what all the fuss is about.

Personally, despite all of the stuff they did, I will always remember the two young kids who made me fall in love with indy wrestling, so they come in I will end up rooting for them to make it. I remember driving out four hours to see them wrestle each other at Honor Invades Boston and geeking out meeting them.

Well, even if the Brisceos were not barred by Warner execs, I doubt they will be brought in now. Congress is talking a lot about traumatic brain injury of late. Congress turning its eyes to wrestling and the issue of traumatic brain injury being a regular, expected, part of the job is something no fed wants. That would seem to rule out Mark at least from signing. His concussion history is just scary.

Mar 15, 2022 0:12:05 GMT Emperor said:

Working tag team matches without the final 10 minutes becoming a circlejerk spotfest with no tagging required is a lost art. It has become so ingrained in wrestler's minds that they can't do anything else. The old style of tag team matches is gone.

The FTR vs American Alpha series in NXT remain the best tag team wrestling American has seen for a very long time. It's a shame FTR lost their way, now they're just guys who look like throwbacks instead of being throwbacks.

Not that AEW hasn't had some great tag matches. Young Bucks vs Kenny and Hangman. Young Bucks vs Moxley and Kingston. Young Bucks vs Santana and Ortiz in the cage. Honestly, I even like a lot of Jungle Express' recent matches. I'm shocked to find myself citing Young Bucks matches as the high watermark of the division. As much as I dislike them in general, they are capable of putting on real bangers once in a while. It was the same in New Japan.

All that said, there's far more average or just plain bad tag matches than good ones.

I'd love to see more styles of match. There's nothing wrong with go-go-go wrestling, but sometimes you just need to slow it down a fraction and allow the wrestlers to get over a strategy. I was watching some British Bulldogs matches earlier and what I enjoyed about those matches is how Davey would do all the grunt work and Dynamite would come in and hit all the big spots and quickly tag out. He made himself the proverbial glass cannon and it made for a nice layer.

I was thinking about the Bucks the other day and if nothing else they move around the ring incredibly well. That spot Nick Jackson does where he'll go through the ropes like a slinky and punt kick someone on the apron has been one of my favourite spots for years and looks as cool as hell. I don't think they're ever going to be my favourite tag team, but hats off to them, and hey they've booked themselves on top and I can't think of a time where they haven't delivered.

Joey Janela isn't reupping his AEW contract when it expires. Feels like he much like Big Swole was one of the horses that took them to the ball but isn't good or pretty enough to actually dance with.

Joey is absolutely right to walk. AEW did not use him. Be shocked if his contract offer was even at the same pay. He was grabbed for name value and contacts. Now he is just not needed as AEW no longer needs contacts and his name is nowhere near was it was worth when they signed him.

So yeah, Regal may not be wrestling in AEW. His Talk is Jericho interview revealed he was in REALLY had shape in NXT and the health rumors were in fact true and he is just seriously downplaying things. Transcript below. Jist is in the 80's be broke his neck and it never healed right but be wrestled the for decades like nothing was wrong. Then after he signed for NXT he fell twice. Turns out his back was in bad shape, and fixing the back started a series of serious health problems and revealed his neck when it was broken never healed right. It is insanity that he wrestled the way he did for years despite all this.

wrestlingnews.co/aew-news/william-regal-goes-into-great-detail-on-his-health-issues-says-hes-been-wrestling-with-a-broken-neck-since-1993/

Podcast here:


www.webisjericho.com/talk-is-jericho-the-tribulations-of-william-regal/

Was anyone expecting Regal to wrestle in AEW? I sure wasn't. But thanks for sharing, I'll check out the podcast. My first wrestling podcast in a year or two; I'd practically given them up.

I listen to select interviews. Regal is someone I always try to listen to when people have him on as his stories are usually amazing, particular about wrestling in Europe during the holiday season. For people that do not know what it was like, guys would work two to three matches a show, with two shows per day. Shows ran five days a week, for 20 weeks. This is why for ages the Europeans were so smooth in the ring, and the chain stuff they could do so naturally with anyone else who knew the style, they literally were wrestling like 100 matches in that 20 week period.

Joey revealed he was pulled from TV after breaking Kingston's orbital bone with the stiff superkick delaying the Jericho match and this angle they are doing now. Kind of fucked up given Kingston purposely stopped using most of his best moves to set an example and work safer.  Says he thinks that is why Tony cut him.  And it would be the right move.  No reason a superkick should be breaking bones.  

Also as people had mentioned about the Brisceos changing their attitude in recent years, Mark and Jay commented on the controversy finally.  And with that, and them working openly gay people in GCW, AEW should have no reason to keep excluding them for a past actions.  This is an apology that goes beyond what most people do.  They admit they were wrong and point out why it is wrong in a personalized manner.  This is the growth people want from callout culture.  

Jay - I want to say, thank you to the people who really know...we get labeled as homophobes. I put out a stupid tweet nine years ago, the most dumbest, immature, obnoxious shit I've ever done. I don't want anybody, from any walk of life, to feel like they can't care for the Briscoes because I promise we love everybody. We love everybody and we just want to go out there and be pro wrestlers and give the best match that we can. I said some dumb shit a long time ago, I apologized for it and I'll apologize for it again. It was stupid. I feel like now there are people who look at us like, 'we can't cheer for them because they hate a certain group of people.' We don't hate nobody. We love everybody. We're just some country boys. I thought I was taking a stand for the Lord back in the day.

Mark - You realized, from that immaturity, that's not what you were doing because anything, God and the Lord, he has love above anything. That card trumps anything else. What you thought you were doing, taking a stand for the Lord, was counterproductive to the kingdom of God, not only to being a human being and relating with other humans that we live with and love.

Jay - I feel like people label us a certain way. Trust me, we're not like that.