Jun 14, 2022 18:35:05 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Great move

That's the right call, up to Jeff to make it work. Just make sure they don't make the testing a layup.

Good on Tony. Sends a clear message, this shit may be tolerated in TNA and WWE, but he will not have it in AEW. That said, he needs to be prepared to fire Jeff next time he relapses, assuming Jeff returns at all.

Matt got to be pissed, he spent so much time planning the next six months or so of shit, from the cinematic match, to
Willow, to broken Matt and Nero returning, just for Jeff to fuck it all up as EVERYONE claimed he would.

Jun 14, 2022 19:22:28 GMT Blindy said:

That's the right call, up to Jeff to make it work. Just make sure they don't make the testing a layup.

It will be a alcohol rehab program and generally they do not test as liquor leaves the system too fast and no one gets drunk to go to the programs.  That said, these programs are normalized since courts routinely use them, so there is no excuse for Tony not to demand formal proof of completion.   The big thing is, is Tony ready to fire Jeff next time he fucks up.  As if not, then this is all for show and Jeff is out for 6 weeks.

Jun 14, 2022 20:06:06 GMT c said:

Jun 14, 2022 19:22:28 GMT Blindy said:

That's the right call, up to Jeff to make it work. Just make sure they don't make the testing a layup.

It will be a alcohol rehab program and generally they do not test as liquor leaves the system too fast and no one gets drunk to go to the programs.  That said, these programs are normalized since courts routinely use them, so there is no excuse for Tony not to demand formal proof of completion.   The big thing is, is Tony ready to fire Jeff next time he fucks up.  As if not, then this is all for show and Jeff is out for 6 weeks.

I want to give Tony a little more credit than that. The “maintaining sobriety” thing at the end is quite telling. Yeah it could be a couple months but it could also be a year or longer. Whatever Tony needs to see to be satisfied, and I’m hoping it’s more than “you did rehab yay welcome back!”

Warner brought the hammer down as soon as the news broke and I have to assume Tony isn’t going to fuck around on their watch.

Just remember this is what he was caught with this time

He's screwed Matt, as someone pointed out, screwed all those boys out of the Hardy Boys ladder match, and again.. its a kick in the guts to the fans who continue to want to see him perform, not to mention the young talent in the back. A true punishment would be removing his merch to hit his hip pocket.

I hope Sting in full make up is waiting at the arena door next time he returns to let him know, this won't be tolerated anymore. This isn't the 90s Jeff.

Tony brought down the hammer I thought issuing the order to stop promoting Jeff.

And 6 week accelerated program is good enough for most courts.

Tony in a weird place either way. Either he makes a wellness program now to keep people like Mox and Jeff clean or he retains the ability to fire people at will when they fuck up with drugs. He cannot have both as wellness program implies wellness policy, which then treats all contracted people as equals. But wrestlers are not equals. If this was Luther or Peter Avalon not one person would say Tony should give him a second chance.

Also def think the locker room will not welcome Jeff unless he is clean whether he completed a program or not. And that is the ultimate check on Tony. Between the straight edge guys, the TNA guys who remember that disaster and the people who worked with fucked up Jeff in WWE, there are a lot of people who will be unhappy to deal with that Jeff in AEW.

Jun 14, 2022 20:41:49 GMT NATH45 said:

Just remember this is what he was caught with this time

He's screwed Matt, as someone pointed out, screwed all those boys out of the Hardy Boys ladder match, and again.. its a kick in the guts to the fans who continue to want to see him perform, not to mention the young talent in the back. A true punishment would be removing his merch to hit his hip pocket.

I hope Sting in full make up is waiting at the arena door next time he returns to let him know, this won't be tolerated anymore. This isn't the 90s Jeff.

My cash is on Dustin and Regal doing the talk with Jeff and letting him know that this will not be tolerated.  Both are recovered addicts themselves and both predate Jeff in the industry.  Both are locker room leaders as well.  

Sting from what I understand is far too polite to raise the issue himself.  Ditto for Punk, but he will talk behind your back. 

Oddly enough Kingston said Joe and DB have no issues getting into people face about shit like this which is where his beef with both guys comes from, both gave him an attitude when he was doing shows during drinking binges back in the day.


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Thinking of it, Tony REALLY should have Dustin be the guy on Jeff duty.  Dustin is 10+ years sober, and super proud of it.  Make Jeff convince him that he is changed to come back.  He was one of the WWE wellness program's greatest successes given how deep his drug problems were.

Hardys officially dropped from the ladder match:

Jun 14, 2022 20:51:39 GMT c said:

Tony brought down the hammer I thought issuing the order to stop promoting Jeff.

And 6 week accelerated program is good enough for most courts.

Tony in a weird place either way. Either he makes a wellness program now to keep people like Mox and Jeff clean or he retains the ability to fire people at will when they fuck up with drugs. He cannot have both as wellness program implies wellness policy, which then treats all contracted people as equals. But wrestlers are not equals. If this was Luther or Peter Avalon not one person would say Tony should give him a second chance.

Also def think the locker room will not welcome Jeff unless he is clean whether he completed a program or not. And that is the ultimate check on Tony. Between the straight edge guys, the TNA guys who remember that disaster and the people who worked with fucked up Jeff in WWE, there are a lot of people who will be unhappy to deal with that Jeff in AEW.

No it was direct from Time Warner to stop promoting him until further notice.

And I don’t care what courts or old wrestlers say. That’s been done multiple times and clearly doesn’t work. You don’t think “locker room god” The Undertaker, who personally helped get Jeff over, didn’t sit him down? You don’t think the countless wrestlers he’s crossed paths with that also had substance abuse issues didn’t try to talk to him? Sting has probably already talked to him once since he was directly affected by Jeff’s actions in TNA.

Why would it be any different now? This needs to be the last straw. He needs to take serious time off to get clean and heal, then stay that way for some time before he should even be allowed to look at a wrestling ring.

Jun 14, 2022 21:11:24 GMT RT said:

Jun 14, 2022 20:51:39 GMT c said:

Tony brought down the hammer I thought issuing the order to stop promoting Jeff.

And 6 week accelerated program is good enough for most courts.

Tony in a weird place either way. Either he makes a wellness program now to keep people like Mox and Jeff clean or he retains the ability to fire people at will when they fuck up with drugs. He cannot have both as wellness program implies wellness policy, which then treats all contracted people as equals. But wrestlers are not equals. If this was Luther or Peter Avalon not one person would say Tony should give him a second chance.

Also def think the locker room will not welcome Jeff unless he is clean whether he completed a program or not. And that is the ultimate check on Tony. Between the straight edge guys, the TNA guys who remember that disaster and the people who worked with fucked up Jeff in WWE, there are a lot of people who will be unhappy to deal with that Jeff in AEW.

No it was direct from Time Warner to stop promoting him until further notice.

And I don’t care what courts or old wrestlers say. That’s been done multiple times and clearly doesn’t work. You don’t think “locker room god” The Undertaker, who personally helped get Jeff over, didn’t sit him down? You don’t think the countless wrestlers he’s crossed paths with that also had substance abuse issues didn’t try to talk to him? Sting has probably already talked to him once since he was directly affected by Jeff’s actions in TNA.

Why would it be any different now? This needs to be the last straw. He needs to take serious time off to get clean and heal, then stay that way for some time before he should even be allowed to look at a wrestling ring.

Absolutely. This is not just about it the DUI. Look at the state of the guy getting pulled over at that time in the morning, paralytic drink. He’s going to hurt himself or someone else, inside or outside of the ring. If AEW are not prepared to piss test him, he shouldn’t be there.

Jun 14, 2022 21:11:24 GMT RT said:

Jun 14, 2022 20:51:39 GMT c said:

Tony brought down the hammer I thought issuing the order to stop promoting Jeff.

And 6 week accelerated program is good enough for most courts.

Tony in a weird place either way. Either he makes a wellness program now to keep people like Mox and Jeff clean or he retains the ability to fire people at will when they fuck up with drugs. He cannot have both as wellness program implies wellness policy, which then treats all contracted people as equals. But wrestlers are not equals. If this was Luther or Peter Avalon not one person would say Tony should give him a second chance.

Also def think the locker room will not welcome Jeff unless he is clean whether he completed a program or not. And that is the ultimate check on Tony. Between the straight edge guys, the TNA guys who remember that disaster and the people who worked with fucked up Jeff in WWE, there are a lot of people who will be unhappy to deal with that Jeff in AEW.

No it was direct from Time Warner to stop promoting him until further notice.

And I don’t care what courts or old wrestlers say. That’s been done multiple times and clearly doesn’t work. You don’t think “locker room god” The Undertaker, who personally helped get Jeff over, didn’t sit him down? You don’t think the countless wrestlers he’s crossed paths with that also had substance abuse issues didn’t try to talk to him? Sting has probably already talked to him once since he was directly affected by Jeff’s actions in TNA.

Why would it be any different now? This needs to be the last straw. He needs to take serious time off to get clean and heal, then stay that way for some time before he should even be allowed to look at a wrestling ring.

If Time Warner got involved then Jeff should have been fired outright.  No one is bigger than your TV deal.  

Honestly, I doubt Taker got on people for drinking as that was the wrestling he came up in.  That generation was always do not get caught, not do not use substances.  

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Thing with alcohol addiction is either Jeff will stay clean or he will not.  People have studied this and the success rate for staying clean after 6 week program is the same as a six month program for someone remaining sober one year later.  Either people will get sober or not after a program ends.  Only difference in keeping him off the air longer is delaying having to take a second chance with him.  Does nothing for his odds of staying sober though sans taking the medication route, but a person cannot be forced to take that route legally. 

Perfect world you would demand someone take disulfiram, then test serum levels for compliance and call it a day, but ethically that is just not acceptable and cannot even prescribe that without confirming a person is taking it of their own free will without compulsion to do so.

Just let him go.

Yep. People had concerns when he came in, he proved those concerns were valid by getting arrested, so why take anymore risks?

Jun 14, 2022 22:17:48 GMT c said:

Yep. People had concerns when he came in, he proved those concerns were valid by getting arrested, so why take anymore risks?

Because this is a star Tony Khan grew up watching and he's blinded by nostalgia. The fact he was roped in by Matt Hardy that Jeff simply faked his WWE out to come to AEW was the selling point.

That and it's a vanity thing for Tony to be the "one" to help and fix Jeff Hardy, something tons of people failed to do. 

Apr 3, 2022 1:51:37 GMT Blindy said:

That PTSD look from Bischoff, I hope Jeff is alright but maybe WWE were right at the end?

This did happen like 2 months ago, I know it's "lol Jeff Hardy shits and giggles" but like what are we doing? Did Tony Khan or someone like Regal not watch this and think "Wait what's he doing?". That's why social media is "letdown" by Jeff Hardy? How can you be letdown by somebody who does this chronically? Are we not watching the same thing above? 

3rd dui offense most people would be going to the pin. Hate to say it but maybe that's where he needs to go.

Tony just better watch other issues very closely because one or two more of these issues in quick succession may make Warner say we don't won't wrestling on our air.

As for Jeff, this is why WWE was so quick to react when he was acting weird. If you have a history sometimes it better safe then sorry. And there have been sign in AEW that Jeff wasn't in the best condition. A few of the wrestling podcasts/shows have stated that Jeff looks like he is in pain. And a way wrestlers sometimes deals with that pain is painkillers, others drugs that lowers pain, or alcohol.

Why would AEW want Jeff knowing his past/current issue? Look at the roster not just Tony. Most of the roster probably wanted it. Most of them seemed like they grow up watch Jeff/Hardy boys matches.

Not sure if Matt is a great or a horrible brother. He seems to try to do everything for his brother. But in reality could be the reason for the drinking. Matt guiding his grown brother career and getting him in all these matches where Jeff has to take more time of his body just to keep them relevant.

Jun 14, 2022 23:14:25 GMT bodyslam said:

3rd dui offense most people would be going to the pin. Hate to say it but maybe that's where he needs to go.

I had thought the same. Not sure if it will help but there needs to be some type of consequence for this behavior and money isn't going to do it. Otherwise how long before the story reads Jeff died and/or killed someone in automobile accident.

Blindy that clip means nothing. I don't know why you would even post that.

He's a singer in a band and was singing a Prince song as a joke. We don't need to just pull up random shit from twitter that adds nothing to the conversation.

Jun 14, 2022 23:40:45 GMT RT said:

Blindy that clip means nothing. I don't know why you would even post that.

He's a singer in a band and was singing a Prince song as a joke. We don't need to just pull up random shit from twitter that adds nothing to the conversation.

How do you watch that and see that as normal behavior? 

Jun 14, 2022 23:46:42 GMT Blindy said:

Jun 14, 2022 23:40:45 GMT RT said:

Blindy that clip means nothing. I don't know why you would even post that.

He's a singer in a band and was singing a Prince song as a joke. We don't need to just pull up random shit from twitter that adds nothing to the conversation.

How do you watch that and see that as normal behavior? 

The weirdest part of that clip was the fan asking about penis size. Jeff answering and singing a relevant Prince song was the least weird thing about that video.

Yeah people are weird. Jeff was just dealing with bullshit questions by giving bullshit back.

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Matt not even coming on stream tonight. Kids wanted to stream so Reby is streaming, and she just is saying Matt is disgusted and Reby def is not happy at all. She is mass opening Pokemon with the kids just to get away from the drama.

So whether or not Jeff is taking this seriously, Matt definitely is.  

Reports are the delay in reply from Tony was he was waiting to get in touch with Jeff personality before publishing anything.

Missed the tik tok from Reby - she is pretty much done with Twitter. She was getting attacked heavy for not stopping Jeff from drinking, despite Jeff not being her husband and a grown man.

https://www.tiktok.com/@rebyhardy/video/7109217461618396462

Jun 15, 2022 0:44:47 GMT c said:

Reports are the delay in reply from Tony was he was waiting to get in touch with Jeff personality before publishing anything.

Missed the tik tok from Reby - she is pretty much done with Twitter. She was getting attacked heavy for not stopping Jeff from drinking, despite Jeff not being her husband and a grown man.

https://www.tiktok.com/@rebyhardy/video/7109217461618396462

Reby does act more like his biological sister then a sister in law. And fans did the same thing to Naomi when Jimmy got a DUI. No wonder male wrestling fans have a bad reputation about their social interaction with women.

Matt and Jeff live on the same plot of family land IIRC. Hence why the families are so close.  Think a half mile of forest separates the houses.

Jun 15, 2022 3:33:49 GMT Blindy said:

This did happen like 2 months ago, I know it's "lol Jeff Hardy shits and giggles" but like what are we doing? Did Tony Khan or someone like Regal not watch this and think "Wait what's he doing?". That's why social media is "letdown" by Jeff Hardy? How can you be letdown by somebody who does this chronically? Are we not watching the same thing above? 

That whole panel was strange and it was compared to the infamous WWE video game panel where JR ended up losing his job. Jeff was clearly all over the shop that night but who knows maybe he did receive a talking to. I think he's been spoken to enough and by the same token I don't think he should have been released from the company for acting that way.

Fucking hell, people got video of Jeff slamming back the whiskey the night before his arrest.

Jun 15, 2022 17:09:46 GMT c said:

Fucking hell, people got video of Jeff slamming back the whiskey the night before his arrest.

Posted on wreddit here: reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/vcuvn6/jeff_hardy_drinking_whiskey_and_calling_it_my/

He’s even wearing the same clothes as when he got arrested. Probably went on an all-night bender before his arrest. Fuck sakes.

Yup. Drank likely to close then hit the road.