Aug 19, 2024 6:09:10 GMT c said:

Aug 18, 2024 19:12:24 GMT KJ said:

Conflating ad revenue and value overrides everything else you said.

Yes because why would you use the value WBD thinks they bring to them to judge the value WBD brings instead of just using solely ad rev for one single show to determine the entire deal.

Where in the world did “one show” come into play? Where did I say that?

In the now deleted post the only ad rev figure given was solely for dynamite, not total ad rev, and the values for rampage and collision ad rev were not given.

So either you were using the ad rev for one show or just making up numbers since they gave the total value of over 200 mil per year.

People reporting Bryan has no contract right now and is looking at possible neck surgery when his wrestling is wrapped up. Chance he simply loses at Wembley and takes a long while off while he gets his neck fixed up.  Be very much like him to have Swerve basically murder him on the way out and work it all into a story.

Aug 19, 2024 16:50:14 GMT c said:

People reporting Bryan has no contract right now and is looking at possible neck surgery when his wrestling is wrapped up. Chance he simply loses at Wembley and takes a long while off while he gets his neck fixed up.  Be very much like him to have Swerve basically murder him on the way out and work it all into a story.

He needs to have this match, shake Swerve 's hand, and just retire. He had a good career even got to wrestling some more years. But eventually the concussions or neck issues will paralyze or kill him.

Yeah if he has neck problems still it def is time to walk. I know people want him and Nigel, but Nigel also does not really need any more matches either with his concussion history.

Bryan wants to do stuff in a ring from here on out, he should join NXT and train people. Know damn well HHH and Regal would love to have him.  Imagine that is where Punk lands in a few years too given Punk loves to train people.  Be surreal if after 20 years the old RoH training team gets back together in NXT.

It would be surreal if a few years from now Punk and Danielson are being groomed to replace DX....

If Punk keeps his shit together in WWE, he def can be a lifer. He really gets the WWE style of matches and could be a fantastic producer too.

And who better to replace Regal than his top student, and one who damn well knows the value of protecting your neck.

Really not much either guy can do that they have not already done. So kind of time to start thinking about what is next.

Wow...

Aug 19, 2024 23:43:03 GMT c said:

Wow...

For a minute everyone had custom tnt titles then it kind of just stopped.

Aug 19, 2024 16:06:44 GMT c said:

In the now deleted post the only ad rev figure given was solely for dynamite, not total ad rev, and the values for rampage and collision ad rev were not given.

So either you were using the ad rev for one show or just making up numbers since they gave the total value of over 200 mil per year.

Total Value was all AEW; Profit was Dynamite.

I'm not assuming AEW will continue having three shows.

The Tweet:

"I saw an internal memo from WBD on the total value of AEW programming. It was $288,265,720 per year based on ad revenue and 2.0% of TNT carriage rates, 2.5% of TBS carriage rates and 3.0% of TruTV's carriage rates and also included purchasing of the PPV franchise.”

forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2024/08/19/dave-meltzers-internal-memo-gaffe-caps-a-week-of-faulty-reporting/

It's fake anyways.

Aug 19, 2024 22:55:57 GMT c said:

If Punk keeps his shit together in WWE, he def can be a lifer. He really gets the WWE style of matches and could be a fantastic producer too.

And who better to replace Regal than his top student, and one who damn well knows the value of protecting your neck.

Really not much either guy can do that they have not already done. So kind of time to start thinking about what is next.

Punk strikes me as a following the Paul Heyman path. Love/Hate, until he finally finishes maturing in his 50s and they make it work.

Yeah, hope for his sake he chills out. Just not good to be angry all the time like he was getting. Your booking sucks, wipe those tears with your six figure monthly checks and give them back what they give you.

Def think Heyman is behind Punk's new chill attitude.  

He said it best over the weekend, treat me like shit and I'll treat you like shit. If you're nice, we're all hugs. Or something along those lines.

He seems to be happy here in WWE, and almost universally liked by people.

But of course, it's a much different environment.

Also he not had to start eating losses yet. That will be the test for him, what will he do when he needs to put over people. Cause that is usually when Punk problems start.  Clear he likes to work Drew, but what happens when he needs to eat a random loss on Raw to someone?

Punk is treated like a king down in NXT anytime he appears. Cora Jade, Roxy, they all love him. I think the entire women's locker room down there is in awe of the dude. 

Will make the AJ Mendez reunion with WWE all the more sweeter. They will pull the red carpet for her, give her a HOF induction and give her some flowers while they're at it.

Aug 20, 2024 0:59:07 GMT NATH45 said:

He said it best over the weekend, treat me like shit and I'll treat you like shit. If you're nice, we're all hugs. Or something along those lines.

He seems to be happy here in WWE, and almost universally liked by people.

But of course, it's a much different environment.

This is the kicker. If WWE was still under old management he wouldn’t be there.

I’m always gonna be salty about how he left AEW and how it was super hypocritical of him to go back after everything he said, but at the end of the day I’m a wrestling fan and will encourage good wrestling and good entertainment, which he is bringing big time with Drew. I hope he keeps it up.

If AEW was what he needed to find that itch again, so be it. Is what it is.

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Jack Perry making the new title himself is so badass. I am so excited for his match with Darby. They might actually try to kill each other.

Think this is the last time we see Darby fight for a mid card title for a while. He puts Jack over then focuses on the fact he has a world title shot.

If I’m Tony, this is what I do:

-Danielson wins at Wembley. Loudest YES chant in history to close the show.

-Danielson & Darby go the distance at Grand Slam. Either a time limit draw or a no contest or whatever.

-Swerve cashes in his rematch clause at WrestleDream in his hometown.

-Darby says fuck that I’m from Washington too, and I never lost.

-Triple Threat at WrestleDream. 3 Washington wrestlers fighting for the title in their home state.

-Darby pins Swerve and Danielson gets a send off in his home state. Darby and Swerve can feud (and Hangman too) and some day down the road Danielson can come back with the “I never got pinned” trope.

Darby def is gonna be a mad man in that coffin match, you just know you is gonna kill himself to make Perry look good. It is what he does.

Aug 20, 2024 1:18:04 GMT c said:

Also he not had to start eating losses yet. That will be the test for him, what will he do when he needs to put over people. Cause that is usually when Punk problems start.  Clear he likes to work Drew, but what happens when he needs to eat a random loss on Raw to someone?

Why should he be eating random losses on Raw? What top guy do they have randomly eating losses?

Aug 20, 2024 4:21:15 GMT KJ said:

Aug 20, 2024 1:18:04 GMT c said:

Also he not had to start eating losses yet. That will be the test for him, what will he do when he needs to put over people. Cause that is usually when Punk problems start.  Clear he likes to work Drew, but what happens when he needs to eat a random loss on Raw to someone?

Why should he be eating random losses on Raw? What top guy do they have randomly eating losses?

Yeah. He works for WWE, generally the booking makes some sense. Understandably you could imagine TK booking him taking a fall to Kyle Fletcher on Rampage with zero build, but this ain't AEW.

WWE will want to build the stars of future and at 45 Punk is the past at this point. He should be putting people over if he does not have a belt.

Aug 20, 2024 6:44:37 GMT c said:

WWE will want to build the stars of future and at 45 Punk is the past at this point. He should be putting people over if he does not have a belt.

There's a few ways to do that. What Punk is doing vs Drew is magnificent work. That's how you build a star and he'll probably do the same with the next guy. Deep storytelling. Psychology. Those things that matter.

Taking a L on TV without any real build or context doesn't work. Ask anyone under 30 who has had a win over Jericho in the last 3 years. It did nothing for them.

Aug 20, 2024 6:44:37 GMT c said:

WWE will want to build the stars of future and at 45 Punk is the past at this point. He should be putting people over if he does not have a belt.

Putting over people in meaningless Raw matches is much, much different than being used to put over the future,

But you just keep moooooooving those goal posts.

Aug 20, 2024 4:21:15 GMT KJ said:

Aug 20, 2024 1:18:04 GMT c said:

Also he not had to start eating losses yet. That will be the test for him, what will he do when he needs to put over people. Cause that is usually when Punk problems start.  Clear he likes to work Drew, but what happens when he needs to eat a random loss on Raw to someone?

Why should he be eating random losses on Raw? What top guy do they have randomly eating losses?

Aug 20, 2024 5:56:00 GMT NATH45 said:

Aug 20, 2024 4:21:15 GMT KJ said:

Why should he be eating random losses on Raw? What top guy do they have randomly eating losses?

Yeah. He works for WWE, generally the booking makes some sense. Understandably you could imagine TK booking him taking a fall to Kyle Fletcher on Rampage with zero build, but this ain't AEW.

I just want to point out that AEW doesn’t do this either and is notorious for booking matches with obvious winners with zero build just to pad stats for who they want to push. I don’t know how anyone would say otherwise. It’s one of their biggest problems with booking.

It’s why nobody watches Battle of the Belts or Rampage. Those shows just throw matches together and the winner is always obvious. “New International Champion Will Ospreay defends his title against LANCE ARCHER! WHO WILL WIN!?”

Aug 20, 2024 20:09:03 GMT RT said:

Aug 20, 2024 4:21:15 GMT KJ said:

Why should he be eating random losses on Raw? What top guy do they have randomly eating losses?

Aug 20, 2024 5:56:00 GMT NATH45 said:

Yeah. He works for WWE, generally the booking makes some sense. Understandably you could imagine TK booking him taking a fall to Kyle Fletcher on Rampage with zero build, but this ain't AEW.

I just want to point out that AEW doesn’t do this either and is notorious for booking matches with obvious winners with zero build just to pad stats for who they want to push. I don’t know how anyone would say otherwise. It’s one of their biggest problems with booking.

It’s why nobody watches Battle of the Belts or Rampage. Those shows just throw matches together and the winner is always obvious. “New International Champion Will Ospreay defends his title against LANCE ARCHER! WHO WILL WIN!?”

I’m not accusing AEW of this. They make meaningless matches, but rarely have I seen meaningless losses.

But c just randomly laid it out for Punk in WWE and that’s weird.

I'm not taking c literally but in the spirit of what he said, which is what happens when Punk is told to do something he doesn't really want to do?

Let, say, a heel LA Knight get one over on him on the mic?

He's not on Raw but Jacob Fatu annihlates Punk and beats him into a pulp?

Also wrong show but "we need you to run a program against Logan Paul in which he ultimately will beat you and retain his US title?"

Aug 21, 2024 1:01:58 GMT Michinokudriver said:

I'm not taking c literally but in the spirit of what he said, which is what happens when Punk is told to do something he doesn't really want to do?

Let, say, a heel LA Knight get one over on him on the mic?

He's not on Raw but Jacob Fatu annihlates Punk and beats him into a pulp?

Also wrong show but "we need you to run a program against Logan Paul in which he ultimately will beat you and retain his US title?"

I disagree with “the spirit” because he doubled down in his reply.

Here’s where I think a difference will be: leadership.

The shit that happened to Punk in AEW had zero repercussions, and it was never addressed or resolved by the boss.

I don’t believe that happens in the current WWE.

And the excuse for why Punk had issues putting Cena over in WWE? Because the Bucks and Tony had nothing to do with that.

When Punk is in a program he does not want to do, and has to take a loss he does not want to take, that is when he always lost his smile in any fed he worked for and became problematic.

You're all kidding yourselves. Punk is a marquee name who is only working top tier programs.

Even if they feed him to JD or Dom on RAW, it would be due to heavy interference similar to what we're seeing with Judgement Day v Priest. And it would as part of the build towards Punk v Balor as a main event for a PLE.

The man at no point is taking a L without it being part of something significantly bigger.

And you're again kidding yourself thinking he'd be ever put into a program with anyone less than a current main eventer. The lowest down the card I'd ever see him travel would be working with someone like Bron, and trust me, it won't be an Austin v Brock situation.

Aug 21, 2024 5:02:50 GMT c said:

And the excuse for why Punk had issues putting Cena over in WWE? Because the Bucks and Tony had nothing to do with that.

When Punk is in a program he does not want to do, and has to take a loss he does not want to take, that is when he always lost his smile in any fed he worked for and became problematic.

When did Punk have an issue losing to Cena? Never heard that one.

Aug 21, 2024 5:27:00 GMT KJ said:

Aug 21, 2024 5:02:50 GMT c said:

And the excuse for why Punk had issues putting Cena over in WWE? Because the Bucks and Tony had nothing to do with that.

When Punk is in a program he does not want to do, and has to take a loss he does not want to take, that is when he always lost his smile in any fed he worked for and became problematic.

When did Punk have an issue losing to Cena? Never heard that one.

Someone is confusing a storyline with reality me thinks.