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Post by Blindy on Oct 11, 2023 1:37:56 GMT
I really hope MJF advocated for this if not ehhh. Not with what's going on in the world, sorry.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Oct 11, 2023 1:40:28 GMT
SHIDA WINS THE TITLE AGAIN!!!
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 1:41:42 GMT
YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SHIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post by X-zero on Oct 11, 2023 1:41:46 GMT
If MJF said it on screen a heel using it does make sense.
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Post by X-zero on Oct 11, 2023 1:42:59 GMT
Shida is a three time champion is awesome.
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 1:52:16 GMT
Even Christian Cage, the greatest wrestler of all-time, knows that the Kansas City Chiefs get help from the refs.
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 1:59:58 GMT
If MJF said it on screen a heel using it does make sense. People are pissed and complaining about AEW being antisemitic already. Chance Juice is not allowed on the network again.
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 2:02:59 GMT
If MJF said it on screen a heel using it does make sense. People are pissed and complaining about AEW being antisemitic already. Chance Juice is not allowed on the network again. oh stop it.
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Post by Blindy on Oct 11, 2023 2:03:57 GMT
If MJF said it on screen a heel using it does make sense. People are pissed and complaining about AEW being antisemitic already. Chance Juice is not allowed on the network again. MJF will probably defend it on twitter tomorrow and say he 100% greenlit it to try and defuse the fuzz. But I just don't know how TK saw this and said this is making it on the show.
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 2:10:33 GMT
Not up to MFJ or Tony though, up to WBD. And they may not care about context or MJF suggesting it, which the promo he did later on clearly seemed to indicate.
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Post by X-zero on Oct 11, 2023 2:13:28 GMT
Sometimes you want press so bad you don't care if it is good or bad. This probably will dominate the talk tomorrow. And AEW will be the only thing people are talking about. And so way this is CM Punk's fault.
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Post by X-zero on Oct 11, 2023 2:15:06 GMT
Not up to MFJ or Tony though, up to WBD. And they may not care about context or MJF suggesting it, which the promo he did later on clearly seemed to indicate. Yeah you can't really do something like that and claim it is cool because one guy it was targeted to says it was fine.
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Post by Blindy on Oct 11, 2023 2:15:29 GMT
Maybe this was being planned for a while but after the events overseas, you gotta scrap it. Someone had to catch that before it made Live TV. I don't hold that on Juice or whomever, that's on Tony. Can't be controversial at all with that, have to tow the line even if the intent wasn't meant to be nasty.
Payoff wasn't worth it.
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 2:18:25 GMT
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 2:20:06 GMT
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 2:20:52 GMT
Maybe this was being planned for a while but after the events overseas, you gotta scrap it. Someone had to catch that before it made Live TV. I don't hold that on Juice or whomever, that's on Tony. Can't be controversial at all with that, have to tow the line even if the intent wasn't meant to be nasty. Payoff wasn't worth it. Seen this shit in the past. It is always the person associated with the image that gets let go, not who authorized it. That said, if it does happen, Toni should threaten to walk. Non competes are paper thin and golden age Toni could appear on Raw in months.
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Post by X-zero on Oct 11, 2023 2:21:43 GMT
Going to just say that is a nice thing to do but you know there is many jokes that will be made on that announcement.
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 2:26:44 GMT
You guys are all fucked in the head. Anyone making correlations between the promo tonight and what is happening in Israel is also fucked in the head.
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Post by Blindy on Oct 11, 2023 2:39:16 GMT
You guys are all fucked in the head. Anyone making correlations between the promo tonight and what is happening in Israel is also fucked in the head. I don't think they meant anything it's just a massive miss. Like when TK didn't catch the Simone Biles rap from Caster and sort of left Max high & dry . Or nearly letting Brian Kendrick get on TV. I'm impressed Bixenspan hasn't revolted yet. He is more angry about Pillman Jr disowning his father's legacy in his new character, that's how you know he's on the AEW payroll :lol:
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Post by X-zero on Oct 11, 2023 2:39:55 GMT
Maybe this was being planned for a while but after the events overseas, you gotta scrap it. Someone had to catch that before it made Live TV. I don't hold that on Juice or whomever, that's on Tony. Can't be controversial at all with that, have to tow the line even if the intent wasn't meant to be nasty. Payoff wasn't worth it. Seen this shit in the past. It is always the person associated with the image that gets let go, not who authorized it. That said, if it does happen, Toni should threaten to walk. Non competes are paper thin and golden age Toni could appear on Raw in months. Tony is nice but don't think he will just let Toni walk out like that.
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 3:19:17 GMT
FTC is saying non-competes in contracts like that are used in wrestling are not legal. So Tony does not really have much say.
No one pushed it yet, but Tony or WWE wants a guy who is sitting out and wants to jump, I do not imagine the court case will be long as wrestling contracts are of a model of why FTC changed the rules and deemed these anticompetitive.
And does not matter what we think, if people are pissed enough at an antisemitic skit on TV and call the network to complain. And all TV is talking about is antisemitic terrorism so people are pretty geared up about this all. Def was a read the fucking room moment.
Unrelated, since she was mentioned anyone see the Biles news this weekend? She nailed Biles II and took four gold medals in nationals and locked in the greatest female gymnast of all time. All that is left is the olympic for all around Gold, and collecting floor and beam, and maybe vault. America likely will easily take team with her on lead.
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Post by Blindy on Oct 11, 2023 3:40:43 GMT
Simone Biles is a legend and yeah I think Tony will donate to an anti-Anti-Semitism organization or fundraiser within 1-2 days to try and own up to the mistake, he should do this as soon as tomorrow regardless if the intent was there or not. I don't think he's stubborn enough to stay on his morals and say there was no fault with what he did.
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Post by Blindy on Oct 11, 2023 3:45:47 GMT
Was sorta expecting Brian Last who is Jewish to bring this up. Gonna be one of those moments on the Corny podcast that Jim just lets Brian roast Tony and stays the fuck outta the way even if Jimbo knows a thing or two about being risque with stuff like this(See NWA)
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 3:54:39 GMT
Yeah I seem a lot right people upset after that segment. I tuned out by then for a stream on twitch, and people instantly were in chat like WTF was that. Then a few posts on my twitter with people upset. Clearly people were not ok with it.
I saw the Max promo calling Cole bringing up that BCG was bringing up painful memories from the past, so clearly he was ok with the angle, and likely suggested it, but still, people are upset and not in a wrestling heat way. They are not mad at Juice, they are pissed at Tony. If Tony does take action against Juice on behalf of the network it will just be more people pissed at Tony.
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 4:12:27 GMT
You guys are all fucked in the head. Anyone making correlations between the promo tonight and what is happening in Israel is also fucked in the head. I don't think they meant anything it's just a massive miss. Like when TK didn't catch the Simone Biles rap from Caster and sort of left Max high & dry . Or nearly letting Brian Kendrick get on TV. I'm impressed Bixenspan hasn't revolted yet. He is more angry about Pillman Jr disowning his father's legacy in his new character, that's how you know he's on the AEW payroll :lol: The roll of quarters has been a thing Juice has done for years. It’s where his “Left Hand of God” finisher came from. It just so happens it is a perfect fit for this feud because of MJF’s prior promo and because the Dynamite Diamond on Juice’s left hand would make him that much more powerful. But I guess none of that matters because racism. Whatever. Fucking internet wins again.
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 4:59:47 GMT
Whole lot of wrestling journalists are calling this out now. Most of the replies to the tweet of the promo are people asking why the hell was this allowed.
People did not see the angle, they just saw antisemitism. And that is a problem when you are on national TV for a publicly traded company.
And this dwarfs all other conversation of the show online.
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Post by NATH45 on Oct 11, 2023 7:02:20 GMT
Tony been pissy that NXT is doing his commercial free stuff and packing the card. Then it was rumored that WWE said that AEW was getting deluded into thinking they were an industry leader because their beat their third tier show, Tony posted the asshole pic. He has been in a mood for the last two days over this. Think he is pissed that WWE does not plan to let him beat them in ratings easily anymore when they run against each other. Tony seemed to love claiming he was beating WWE, and WWE seems to be sick of his bullshit claiming AEW are beating them, when he simply beats their training fed. So WWE is calling his bluff, plans to show against a real WWE card, AEW is second tier, and Tony is having a temper tantrum. This is despite most AEW fans knowing businesswise, this is a second fed. AEW fans like the wrestling more, but no one is deluded enough to think any star in AEW is on the level of Cena or the Rock. TK shouldn't worry about WWE, his B shows are being beaten by WOW now....
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Post by c on Oct 11, 2023 7:53:34 GMT
Given only 42% to 48% of Americans still have cable, ratings are an obsolete metric really.
But the pissing contest for them made everyone involved look bad. Even the talent was openly against turning things into NXT vs AEW encouraging fans to check out both.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 14:25:33 GMT
And now MJF has used this to promote a speech he’s making for Stand Up to Jewish Hate? Who thought this was a good idea?
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Post by RT on Oct 11, 2023 15:29:38 GMT
If you guys are making your minds up about this based on twitter replies then I have some crypto I want to sell you.
This isn’t being talked about anywhere else. Paid blue checkmarks and WWE fans are the ones making a big deal about this.
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