Feb 16, 2024 4:04:03 GMT mikec said:

For Shanahan - does any other former coordinator for a losing Super Bowl team keep that loss on their resume as harshly as he does? You’d think he was the coach and GM of that Falcons team the way he gets hit with the “0-3 in Super Bowls” talk. If the Titans make it to and lose the big game next year, will that coach be known as 0-2 in Super Bowls?

Yeah I don't remember seeing anyone bring up 28-3 when Dan Quinn got hired by Washington.

There is a weird obsession (seems to be very American) with labelling someone talented who doesn't win championships a choker, even if their careers aren't even halfway over. I think it's just the hot take crowd who like to be able to put everything in neat boxes and ignore all of the nuances that influence results.

Shanahan and Lamar Jackson may never win a Super Bowl but people act like Andy Reid and Peyton Manning don't exist. 

Feb 16, 2024 4:14:40 GMT @admin said:

Feb 16, 2024 4:04:03 GMT mikec said:

For Shanahan - does any other former coordinator for a losing Super Bowl team keep that loss on their resume as harshly as he does? You’d think he was the coach and GM of that Falcons team the way he gets hit with the “0-3 in Super Bowls” talk. If the Titans make it to and lose the big game next year, will that coach be known as 0-2 in Super Bowls?

Yeah I don't remember seeing anyone bring up 28-3 when Dan Quinn got hired by Washington.

There is a weird obsession (seems to be very American) with labelling someone talented who doesn't win championships a choker, even if their careers aren't even halfway over. I think it's just the hot take crowd who like to be able to put everything in neat boxes and ignore all of the nuances that influence results.

Shanahan and Lamar Jackson may never win a Super Bowl but people act like Andy Reid and Peyton Manning don't exist. 

The difference is Shanahan is considered one of the best head coaches in the present while Dan Quinn is considered a failed HC and his Washington signing wasn't really heralded as a big time move on DC's end. Expectations end up mattering as far as the deciding factor as to why one gets more venom than the other. 

Yeah reputation is largely the reason. Shanahan is labeled as one of the best coaches in football and so many people tend to make excuses for him. When you’re labeled a genius despite coming up short consistently I think backlash is fair.

As for the Atlanta thing. He called the offense. And lost that largely because of the same thing that happened Sunday.

Crazy that Quinn got all the bullets while Shanahan got to continue to be the darling.

Feb 16, 2024 2:30:08 GMT UT said:

Feb 15, 2024 23:29:10 GMT mikec said:

Yeah, there’s never been a physically fit shooter.

How about Nick Allegretti tearing his UCL early in the Super Bowl and staying in the lineup against the San Fran line? Holy cow.

I seen this and forgot to post it but man that dude deserves all the love.

I’m happy he became a lineman and not a mass shooter. Being 300 lbs and all.

That’s fucking hilarious. Lmao

Andy Reid had a pretty bad reputation before Mahomes too. The bad clock management, can’t win the big one, regular season coach, etc etc.

Things could change for someone in the NFL instantly. Unfortunately for the NFL, Mahomes is running the show right now.

www.theonion.com/usher-marries-girlfriend-jennifer-goicoechea-in-vegas-a-1851261752?rev=1708098014829&utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1708098298&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter

I know he's been bashed plenty by Jackson Mahomes did good helping to calm a kid down during this tragedy and Taylor Swift donating 100K to the deceased victim's family is amazing. Bunch of Chiefs did good helping to calm tons of people down during all of this.

www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/taylor-swift-donates-100k-to-gofundme-for-family-of-woman-killed-at-chiefs-victory-parade/ar-BB1in46q?OCID=ansmsnnews11 A swifty atleast for today.

Meanwhile TMZ is trying to tear down Travis and Patrick because they went to a planned dinner party the night of the shooting.

Feb 15, 2024 0:36:27 GMT @admin said:

I haven't seen anyone else talk about this but I believe Kittle was injured on McCaffrey's opening drive fumble, he dove in to try and recover the ball and Karlaftis landed right on him.

I posted this on Reddit and it took off! Got over 2k upvotes, I've never had more than 150 before. :lol:

Feb 16, 2024 12:40:44 GMT UT said:

Yeah reputation is largely the reason. Shanahan is labeled as one of the best coaches in football and so many people tend to make excuses for him. When you’re labeled a genius despite coming up short consistently I think backlash is fair.



As for the Atlanta thing. He called the offense. And lost that largely because of the same thing that happened Sunday.



Crazy that Quinn got all the bullets while Shanahan got to continue to be the darling.

I don't think it's excuse making - he can both be the preeminent offensive coach of this generation and have a record of falling short in the playoffs, one doesn't preclude the other. 

Except when it’s your preeminent offensive mind that has been part of the problem. Namely him getting in his own mind and ego when it comes to playcalling. You can design the best plays in the world and implement them into your playbook all you want but when you get so far into your own head in the big games you deserve to be put in the burner.

And I do consider it excuses when the genius label is thrown around.

Shanahan’s “genius” is offensive playcalling. I don’t think that cost him either of the last two SB’s.

Feb 20, 2024 23:09:42 GMT mikec said:

Shanahan’s “genius” is offensive playcalling. I don’t think that cost him either of the last two SB’s.

You don’t think not calling any plays to burn clock up 28-3 cost him that Super Bowl?

Also completely abandoning the run against what proved to be an almost elite pass defense with Kansas City with arguably the best back in football?

Shanahan is responsible for assembling his defensive coordinator and him firing Wilks like 1-2 days after the Super Bowl is pretty weaksauce.

Feb 20, 2024 23:35:44 GMT UT said:

Feb 20, 2024 23:09:42 GMT mikec said:

Shanahan’s “genius” is offensive playcalling. I don’t think that cost him either of the last two SB’s.

You don’t think not calling any plays to burn clock up 28-3 cost him that Super Bowl?

Also completely abandoning the run against what proved to be an almost elite pass defense with Kansas City with arguably the best back in football?

McCaffrey had 30 touches (and was noticeably gassed late in the game) so that's hardly abandoning the run. You can point to the third quarter struggles, but that's more about their ineffectiveness running rather than playcalling. They just lost along the offensive line.

Feb 21, 2024 1:48:27 GMT @admin said:

Feb 20, 2024 23:35:44 GMT UT said:

You don’t think not calling any plays to burn clock up 28-3 cost him that Super Bowl?

Also completely abandoning the run against what proved to be an almost elite pass defense with Kansas City with arguably the best back in football?

McCaffrey had 30 touches (and was noticeably gassed late in the game) so that's hardly abandoning the run. You can point to the third quarter struggles, but that's more about their ineffectiveness running rather than playcalling. They just lost along the offensive line.

He had 16 carries in regulation with 9 in the first half and 7 in the second half including only three in the third quarter when the Chiefs were able to make some headway … also including 6 straight pass plays that netted -2 yards total.

Feb 21, 2024 1:48:27 GMT @admin said:

Feb 20, 2024 23:35:44 GMT UT said:

You don’t think not calling any plays to burn clock up 28-3 cost him that Super Bowl?

Also completely abandoning the run against what proved to be an almost elite pass defense with Kansas City with arguably the best back in football?

McCaffrey had 30 touches (and was noticeably gassed late in the game) so that's hardly abandoning the run. You can point to the third quarter struggles, but that's more about their ineffectiveness running rather than playcalling. They just lost along the offensive line.

To 28-3 I said last two Super Bowls, but also no I don’t think it’s largely his fault. I think that having a defense allow the opposing team to score that many points and give up the lead is a bigger problem than what play calls he made. If he had run the ball into the line three times every drive and they lost then he would’ve been called out for being too conservative and not playing to win. Also he wasn’t the head coach, so if there was an issue with clock management I’m not usually one to blame the coordinators. Shanahan showed it last week when he called timeout to stop a Steve Wilks call.

I don’t think he abandoned the run in the last game either, I think he made understandable choices. There were three drives in the third quarter people pointed out during the game. The first two had pass plays on first down, and then were behind the sticks with a 2nd and 15 and 2nd and 18, so he went with passes. The third had a run for no gain on first down. The Chiefs were playing run all the way on first downs, it made sense to give passing a try. When you go three and out three drives in a row you don’t get a lot of chances to run or pass. Otherwise they ran the ball a decent amount.

His abandoning the run had less to do with them losing than a ball off the foot of a blocker, and two missed blocking assignments, one on the RB and one on the right guard.

Feb 21, 2024 2:44:11 GMT UT said:

Feb 21, 2024 1:48:27 GMT @admin said:

McCaffrey had 30 touches (and was noticeably gassed late in the game) so that's hardly abandoning the run. You can point to the third quarter struggles, but that's more about their ineffectiveness running rather than playcalling. They just lost along the offensive line.

He had 16 carries in regulation with 9 in the first half and 7 in the second half including only three in the third quarter when the Chiefs were able to make some headway … also including 6 straight pass plays that netted -2 yards total.

But again that's largely down to effectiveness and game script. It's not like they were churning up yards on the ground.

You've mentioned the pass plays that didn't gain yards - but If you look at specifically what happened in those third quarter drives you can see why there weren't many rushing attempts. First possession they throw incomplete on first down and then get an o-line penalty to set them back to 2nd & 15, you're not running in that situation. Second possession Purdy nearly gets sacked (o-line again) and they lose -8 yards, again you're not running from there. Third drive they do start with a run (for no gain) and go three and out again. 

That's much more about the players not executing than the play calling. 

edit: lol mike beat me to it

I should’ve said fumble luck in general had more to do with the Chiefs win than Shanahan’s play calling. Recovering 5 out of 6 fumbles is a pretty good day.

Feb 21, 2024 3:18:20 GMT mikec said:

I should’ve said fumble luck in general had more to do with the Chiefs win than Shanahan’s play calling. Recovering 5 out of 6 fumbles is a pretty good day.

The Niners LB blowing his Achilles with a non-contact injury and the Chiefs attacking the replacement was also a bigger factor than play calling.

Feb 21, 2024 3:32:18 GMT Gyro LC said:

Feb 21, 2024 3:18:20 GMT mikec said:

I should’ve said fumble luck in general had more to do with the Chiefs win than Shanahan’s play calling. Recovering 5 out of 6 fumbles is a pretty good day.

The Niners LB blowing his Achilles with a non-contact injury and the Chiefs attacking the replacement was also a bigger factor than play calling.

Having the best QB in the world was also a bigger reason than playcalling.

If we are listing reasons.

As for the other SB between Chiefs-49ers, the only complaint I have heard about Shanahan’s playcalling there is that he didn’t run the ball more on the drive when they were down 24-20. There were around 2 minutes left so there wasn’t a lot of running time to go, and it’s hard to blame the guy that schemed up an open deep shot for the win instead of the guy that overthrew it. Seems like the defense that gave up 21 points in 7 minutes is a bigger problem to me.

Feb 21, 2024 5:18:24 GMT mikec said:

it’s hard to blame the guy that schemed up an open deep shot for the win instead of the guy that overthrew it.

It was the peak "it's the Jimmy's and Joe's not the X's and O's" moment.