Sexual frustration and loneliness fueled by social isolation? I know the Vegas one was an old guy with a foreign wife, but most of the young guys (esp. the hs/college) variety seem to be a lack of girlfriends. Not saying it would stop anything, but not too many guys swimming in poon tend to be spree killers.

Feb 18, 2018 9:10:08 GMT @ness said:

Sexual frustration and loneliness fueled by social isolation? I know the Vegas one was an old guy with a foreign wife, but most of the young guys (esp. the hs/college) variety seem to be a lack of girlfriends. Not saying it would stop anything, but not too many guys swimming in poon tend to be spree killers.

I feel like this is probably statistically true and probably also backed by neurochemistry. Read something in a book once about how males, because of the biochemistry in their brains, are significantly more likely to commit suicide in the wake of a relationship ending. So maybe the key here could be decriminalizing and further encouraging prostitution?

So, men most definitely need to get laid

Trivia point: I've been reading a book on the Bath school bombing before this latest shooting happened. All done gun free.

Other trivia point almost all of the mass shooters in America came from homes without fathers or distant fathers. Including the vegas shooter. Staggering stats America leads in single parent homes at 25 percent. Black Americans can be high as 72 percent single parent homes. Gun violence us higher in urban black neighborhoods. Correlation but still huge numbers. 72 percent is crazy.

Seeing a healthy relationship and male role model in development can help with understanding of romantic relationships in later life.  Something that was pointed to before when talking about social isolation and not getting laid.  A father or a man in young man's life could help.

American exceptionalism. Love it.

You realize other western nations have mental health, social, sexual, parental & family, drug & alcohol and domestic violence issues? These issues you've mentioned, and others, including educational, disciplinary, and ethnicity, political, class & cultural division are not unique to the United States either.

Our guns per capita or accessibility also doesn't make us unique if memory serves me right.

Feb 17, 2018 6:53:34 GMT NATH45 said:

" There's nothing to be done " said The United States, the only western country in which this regularly happens. 

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

How long is it going to take for people to realise US citizens have a right to own firearms? The gun control side have been consistently losing for decades now, because it’s always the same outcome.

Feb 19, 2018 0:05:35 GMT NATH45 said:

American exceptionalism. Love it.

You realize other western nations have mental health, social, sexual, parental & family, drug & alcohol and domestic violence issues? These issues you've mentioned, and others, including educational, disciplinary, and ethnicity, political, class & cultural division are not unique to the United States either.

Other nations have free healthcare to combat many of these issues. The US does not. There's no telling how many untreated and undiagnosed persons are running around this country.

Feb 19, 2018 4:41:47 GMT System said:

Feb 17, 2018 6:53:34 GMT NATH45 said:

" There's nothing to be done " said The United States, the only western country in which this regularly happens. 

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

How long is it going to take for people to realise US citizens have a right to own firearms? The gun control side have been consistently losing for decades now, because it’s always the same outcome.

Adopted 226 years ago. 26 years ago, the world was a vastly different place, let alone 226 years ago. And it wasn't written with Semi-Automatic weapons in mind. To put things into prospective, 228 years ago, The French Revolution begun.. that's how ridiculously long ago it was. It was so long ago, the Holy Roman Empire still existed. 

Freedom. Or the protection of said freedom, isn't something unique to the United States either.

Feb 19, 2018 5:00:14 GMT Mistress said:

Feb 19, 2018 0:05:35 GMT NATH45 said:

American exceptionalism. Love it.

You realize other western nations have mental health, social, sexual, parental & family, drug & alcohol and domestic violence issues? These issues you've mentioned, and others, including educational, disciplinary, and ethnicity, political, class & cultural division are not unique to the United States either.

Other nations have free healthcare to combat many of these issues. The US does not. There's no telling how many untreated and undiagnosed persons are running around this country.

And wouldn't it be great, if there was some sort of control in place to ensure these ' untreated and undiagnosed persons ' don't get their hands on guns? 

Feb 19, 2018 7:03:28 GMT NATH45 said:

Feb 19, 2018 4:41:47 GMT System said:

“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

How long is it going to take for people to realise US citizens have a right to own firearms? The gun control side have been consistently losing for decades now, because it’s always the same outcome.

Adopted 226 years ago. 26 years ago, the world was a vastly different place, let alone 226 years ago. And it wasn't written with Semi-Automatic weapons in mind. To put things into prospective, 228 years ago, The French Revolution begun.. that's how ridiculously long ago it was. It was so long ago, the Holy Roman Empire still existed. 

Freedom. Or the protection of said freedom, isn't something unique to the United States either.

Nath has really beat me to the punch on this one but I would like to add some stuff.

System, I know you're pretty right leaning or in the case of Australia, liberal ironically enough but just look at our own record post Port Arthur and the actions of a Liberal PM in those circumstances. 

Or if you want to focus solely on the US constitution, i've got a little challenge for you. Write something along the lines of the US constitution for the year 2260, exactly 242 years from now.

Times change, society changes. People were putting up confederate monuments less then 50 years ago and black people weren't allowed to sit in the front of buses.

The argument point that the Second Amendment is no longer really valid because of how long ago it was written and how much society and technology have changed since then makes me wonder if the same people advancing that argument also believe that all of the amendments and laws and regulations that stem from them should be regularly reviewed and updated too. There's a whole lot more than just firearm culture and tech that has changed since the 1700s. Honestly probably a whole lot more that would affect a lot more lives on a daily basis.

Then the question becomes how frequently do you review the whole legislative makeup of the nation, and who does the review and makes decisions on what/how to update? The governed? Via direct ballot? With such low voter turnout, that doesn't seem like the best approach necessarily. Certainly not the most efficient. So then what? Turn it over to your elected representatives? They struggle to get a budget passed every year... Feels much more impossible to expect them to review the whole legislative makeup even if they only have to do it once every decade. And then what if something that the populace wants to change is the mechanism for how representatives are elected and serve, etc.?

Sad but true, the status quo is just too powerful of a force to upend... At least not without some sort of violent revolution. And then you'd need firearms presumably for such a revolution. Feels like we're on a hamster wheel.

It seems like history tends to bear out that the really important changes do take place, but most typically at a painfully slow pace over an incredibly long time.

Does America lead in exceptionalism?

Feb 19, 2018 14:57:50 GMT theend said:

Does America lead in exceptionalism?

We're exceptional at it.

It's all silly anyhow. The only answer is more guns. More guns is always the answer.

Ahh, we'll pick this up in a month's time, when another 20 people have been killed.

Yep, because we never gave everyone a nationally registered firearm to defend their freedom.

What we need is more murder laws to outlaw murder in this country.  And Children And Boys.  Because it's young men doing these killings. We need Boy and Children Laws.

I've got a reverse question. I'm old, back in the day people used to go postal at work enough we invented the words going postal. Workplace shootings have faded and died the way of the dodo.  They haven't escalated the same as school shootings.  Why?

www.gunviolencearchive.org/

'MERICA!

Feb 20, 2018 11:34:56 GMT theend said:

I've got a reverse question. I'm old, back in the day people used to go postal at work enough we invented the words going postal. Workplace shootings have faded and died the way of the dodo.  They haven't escalated the same as school shootings.  Why?

Exactly why I don't think it's a gun problem....it's more like a mental health and a society problem...

www.google.com.au/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-countries-with-the-most-guns/amp/

See the authors name, guess he needed a back up after NXT training :lol:.

The deputy that was at the school and didn’t act despite being armed is incredibly disappointing.

Feb 25, 2018 16:01:02 GMT System said:

www.google.com.au/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-countries-with-the-most-guns/amp/

See the authors name, guess he needed a back up after NXT training .

The deputy that was at the school and didn’t act despite being armed is incredibly disappointing.

It should also be a sign that trumps plan of more guns in schools won't work

I'm a gun owner and I work at a school...I don't want to start arming teachers. That is a catastrophe waiting to happen. I know trumps deal is to have Rambo teaching english and wipe out a school shooter instead of the 90 year old librarian but the notion that only more guns can stop gun violence is ridiculous.

America's best sniper Chris Kyle was killed by a mad man with a gun. I think at a shooting range. Chris was armed at the time.

Feb 25, 2018 16:31:34 GMT nazzer said:

Feb 25, 2018 16:01:02 GMT System said:

www.google.com.au/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-countries-with-the-most-guns/amp/

See the authors name, guess he needed a back up after NXT training .

The deputy that was at the school and didn’t act despite being armed is incredibly disappointing.

It should also be a sign that trumps plan of more guns in schools won't work

If he actually did his job and used his firearm it could have been a different story.

Feb 26, 2018 1:25:00 GMT System said:

Feb 25, 2018 16:31:34 GMT nazzer said:

It should also be a sign that trumps plan of more guns in schools won't work

If he actually did his job and used his firearm it could have been a different story.

Kind of the point there isn't it?  If it's these peoples job to carry a gun, deal with intense situations, and be ready and if they fail to act, how confident do we really feel arming teachers who god only knows how they would react in an active shooter situation.  It's easy to see yourself as Rambo when your not in the situation but put in it, I could see a lot going wrong. I mean i'm all for beefing up security if the guns are in the hands of actual law enforcement but in the hands of people whose primary job is to teach the students, I don't like that.  The last thing I'd want is some jitter bug so freaked out they just start capping anything that moves in their direction. 

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If only Trump was there. He would have ran in there. Gun or no gun.

Feb 26, 2018 19:59:17 GMT theend said:

If only Trump was there. He would have ran in there. Gun or no gun.

He's a modern day Rambo 

Feb 16, 2018 12:05:54 GMT mikec said:

This is a random story that is on topic but not.

I work in an employment office, where people might look for jobs, go to get welfare information, take resume class, or file for unemployment. Unemployment is exclusively a computer thing and I live in a part of the world where people aren’t great with tech.

So one day I help three ladies, two in their 40’s and one in her 60’s file their claims because they’re having a difficult time getting through it. The 40 year old ladies get through it and start telling me about their job loss. Since I hear about job loss a lot I’m listening but not necessarily absorbing it, trying to think of some suggestions. The sixty year old lady gets up in a huff and says “And they wonder why people shoot up public places!” and walks off. Thank goodness this was a sixth year old lady because if it had been a 30 year old guy we would have been having words. It only later dawned on me the other two ladies lost their job at the only live in mental health facility in a forty mile radius and the elder lady was bemoaning the poor state of mental health care.

We’ve had active shooter training in my office and I try to be pretty naive about why we would need it.

Feb 26, 2018 2:47:00 GMT vendrell said:

Feb 26, 2018 1:25:00 GMT System said:

If he actually did his job and used his firearm it could have been a different story.

Kind of the point there isn't it?  If it's these peoples job to carry a gun, deal with intense situations, and be ready and if they fail to act, how confident do we really feel arming teachers who god only knows how they would react in an active shooter situation.  It's easy to see yourself as Rambo when your not in the situation but put in it, I could see a lot going wrong. I mean i'm all for beefing up security if the guns are in the hands of actual law enforcement but in the hands of people whose primary job is to teach the students, I don't like that.  The last thing I'd want is some jitter bug so freaked out they just start capping anything that moves in their direction. 

I’ve heard some people who live in the area claim that police under report crimes to make it look like crime is reducing, but that’s seems far fetched to ignore.

Between the deputy not taking action and the FBI visiting him 39 times, a lot of the conspiracy theories about the shooting add up.

On a seperate note, it was super scummy off CNN to only allow students to the town hall that were anti-gun.