Nov 28, 2024 3:38:28 GMT Michinokudriver said:

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Texas Tribune | A third woman has died under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors reach for riskier miscarriage treatments

Hope dialed his mother, a former physician, who was unequivocal. “You need a D&C,” she told them, referring to dilation and curettage, a common procedure for first-trimester miscarriages and abortions. If a doctor could remove the remaining tissue from her uterus, the bleeding would end.
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But because D&Cs are also used to end pregnancies, the procedure has become tangled up in state legislation that restricts abortions. In Texas, any doctor who violates the strict law risks up to 99 years in prison. Porsha’s is the fifth case ProPublica has reported in which women died after they did not receive a D&C or its second-trimester equivalent, a dilation and evacuation; three of those deaths were in Texas.

Texas doctors told ProPublica the law has changed the way their colleagues see the procedure; some no longer consider it a first-line treatment, fearing legal repercussions or dissuaded by the extra legwork required to document the miscarriage and get hospital approval to carry out a D&C.

I haven't followed all the cases but the first one they held up was before the court made the roe vs wade judgement and seemed a pretty clear case of medical malpractice rather than being a matter of abortion law.

Secondly, the part of the story about a D&C ending a pregnancy is a nonsense.
If the foetus is alive it's an abortion
If there's not heartbeat it's a D&C

Australia is about as liberal as you can get on these laws.
My brother in law's wife's sister had a pregnancy where the child had a terrible heart defect and wasn't going to make it to term.
Once the baby started to die she went for a D&C but couldn't get one,she was referred to an abortion clinic and couldn't bring herself to come to terms with the idea of "aborting" so waited for the child to pass... This was an awful story and quite late term in the pregnancy.

Nov 28, 2024 1:07:35 GMT KJ said:

Nov 28, 2024 0:57:36 GMT NATH45 said:

I can't wait for the line on a hip podcast about being a victim of the 2 big 'isms - racism and sexism, all while some Gen Z host nods along " slay Queen.. no cap. "

Uhm ... sure. Have to be female Gen Z, of course.

The male "no cap" "rizz" "Ohio" crowd voted Trump.

You think a top male podcaster is going to entertain her now? She had her chance to be on Rogan and sway people but couldn't muster up the care factor to do it.

Nov 28, 2024 4:07:25 GMT NATH45 said:

Nov 28, 2024 1:07:35 GMT KJ said:

Uhm ... sure. Have to be female Gen Z, of course.

The male "no cap" "rizz" "Ohio" crowd voted Trump.

You think a top male podcaster is going to entertain her now? She had her chance to be on Rogan and sway people but couldn't muster up the care factor to do it.

Okay.

Nov 28, 2024 3:53:59 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 28, 2024 3:38:28 GMT Michinokudriver said:

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Texas Tribune | A third woman has died under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors reach for riskier miscarriage treatments

I haven't followed all the cases but the first one they held up was before the court made the roe vs wade judgement and seemed a pretty clear case of medical malpractice rather than being a matter of abortion law.

Secondly, the part of the story about a D&C ending a pregnancy is a nonsense.
If the foetus is alive it's an abortion
If there's not heartbeat it's a D&C

Australia is about as liberal as you can get on these laws.
My brother in law's wife's sister had a pregnancy where the child had a terrible heart defect and wasn't going to make it to term.
Once the baby started to die she went for a D&C but couldn't get one,she was referred to an abortion clinic and couldn't bring herself to come to terms with the idea of "aborting" so waited for the child to pass... This was an awful story and quite late term in the pregnancy.

I'm so sorry to hear about your BiL's wife's sister. She carried the baby all the way to term?

And the general point of the story, moreso, is that this is what can happen (and is happening) when government gets in between doctors and their patients.

A D&C would work, but could draw attention and questions and then you have to spend your day filing paperwork and standing before boards explaining what happened and how and hope they believe you (it's not whether you were correct, it's whether they believe you were correct)

or, you could give the patients pills, which probably work and definitely do not result in potential red tape on your part

and please consider that these women live in Texas, where

Guardian | Texas attorney general says he will sue doctor who gives abortion to Kate Cox

iThe Center for Reproductive Rights filed a lawsuit on behalf of Cox after she learned last week that her fetus has trisomy 18, a fatal chromosomal condition, as well as other health issues, including a spinal abnormality. Continuing the pregnancy could threaten Cox’s life and future fertility. The 31-year-old mother of two has already rushed to the emergency room four times with severe cramping and fluid loss, but doctors have told her that their hands are tied by the state laws.

On Thursday, the Travis county judge, Maya Guerra Gamble, issued a temporary restraining order to permit Cox’s doctor to perform the abortion.

“The idea that Ms Cox wants desperately to be a parent and this law might actually cause her to lose that ability is shocking and would be a genuine miscarriage of justice,” the judge said, following an emergency hearing on Thursday.

The Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, has threatened to prosecute any doctor who provides an abortion to Kate Cox, a woman with a non-viable pregnancy, advising hospitals to ignore a court order issued on Thursday allowing her to get the procedure.

The rightwing Paxton issued the warning to three Houston-area hospitals after a Texas judge ruled this week that Cox, a pregnant woman with a lethal fetal diagnosis, may obtain an abortion under the narrow medical exceptions offered by the state bans.

In a brazen dismissal of the court’s decision, Paxton wrote that the judge’s order “will not insulate hospitals, doctors or anyone else from civil and criminal liability”.

Paxton also wrote that the hospital where Cox obtains an abortion “may be liable for negligent credentialing the physician” who performs the procedure.

This is the world these doctors are working under. If you don't dot every i and cross every T, we'll come after you. And hell, do it all by the book and we might come after you anyway. How could anyone imagine a world where this isn't the result?

But … but … I keep being told the GOP isn’t stopping medically necessary abortions.

Nov 28, 2024 4:28:39 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Nov 28, 2024 3:53:59 GMT iNCY said:

I haven't followed all the cases but the first one they held up was before the court made the roe vs wade judgement and seemed a pretty clear case of medical malpractice rather than being a matter of abortion law.

Secondly, the part of the story about a D&C ending a pregnancy is a nonsense.
If the foetus is alive it's an abortion
If there's not heartbeat it's a D&C

Australia is about as liberal as you can get on these laws.
My brother in law's wife's sister had a pregnancy where the child had a terrible heart defect and wasn't going to make it to term.
Once the baby started to die she went for a D&C but couldn't get one,she was referred to an abortion clinic and couldn't bring herself to come to terms with the idea of "aborting" so waited for the child to pass... This was an awful story and quite late term in the pregnancy.

I'm so sorry to hear about your BiL's wife's sister. She carried the baby all the way to term?

And the general point of the story, moreso, is that this is what can happen (and is happening) when government gets in between doctors and their patients.

A D&C would work, but could draw attention and questions and then you have to spend your day filing paperwork and standing before boards explaining what happened and how and hope they believe you (it's not whether you were correct, it's whether they believe you were correct)

or, you could give the patients pills, which probably work and definitely do not result in potential red tape on your part

and please consider that these women live in Texas, where

Guardian | Texas attorney general says he will sue doctor who gives abortion to Kate Cox

iThe Center for Reproductive Rights filed a lawsuit on behalf of Cox after she learned last week that her fetus has trisomy 18, a fatal chromosomal condition, as well as other health issues, including a spinal abnormality. Continuing the pregnancy could threaten Cox’s life and future fertility. The 31-year-old mother of two has already rushed to the emergency room four times with severe cramping and fluid loss, but doctors have told her that their hands are tied by the state laws.

On Thursday, the Travis county judge, Maya Guerra Gamble, issued a temporary restraining order to permit Cox’s doctor to perform the abortion.

“The idea that Ms Cox wants desperately to be a parent and this law might actually cause her to lose that ability is shocking and would be a genuine miscarriage of justice,” the judge said, following an emergency hearing on Thursday.

The Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, has threatened to prosecute any doctor who provides an abortion to Kate Cox, a woman with a non-viable pregnancy, advising hospitals to ignore a court order issued on Thursday allowing her to get the procedure.

The rightwing Paxton issued the warning to three Houston-area hospitals after a Texas judge ruled this week that Cox, a pregnant woman with a lethal fetal diagnosis, may obtain an abortion under the narrow medical exceptions offered by the state bans.

In a brazen dismissal of the court’s decision, Paxton wrote that the judge’s order “will not insulate hospitals, doctors or anyone else from civil and criminal liability”.

Paxton also wrote that the hospital where Cox obtains an abortion “may be liable for negligent credentialing the physician” who performs the procedure.

This is the world these doctors are working under. If you don't dot every i and cross every T, we'll come after you. And hell, do it all by the book and we might come after you anyway. How could anyone imagine a world where this isn't the result?

That is truly horrible to deny a woman an abortion in the case of a non-viable pregnancy.
The person I was talking about didn't have to carry the baby to term, the baby passed someone around the 8 month mark, which was massively heart breaking.

It is a very fraught issue and I don't like people such as the AG in Texas making it a political point scoring exercise.
Likewise, the term "Emergency abortion" is applied incorrectly.
If the mother's life is at risk, it is an emergency... This wasn't one of those cases.
I am not saying she should have been forced to carry the baby to term, but it is not a correct application of "emergency"
It is tiring because both sides play political football while people suffer, it's disingenuous also for the reproductive rights groups to claim that their concern centers on such cases.

Nov 28, 2024 5:24:28 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 28, 2024 4:28:39 GMT Michinokudriver said:

I'm so sorry to hear about your BiL's wife's sister. She carried the baby all the way to term?

And the general point of the story, moreso, is that this is what can happen (and is happening) when government gets in between doctors and their patients.

A D&C would work, but could draw attention and questions and then you have to spend your day filing paperwork and standing before boards explaining what happened and how and hope they believe you (it's not whether you were correct, it's whether they believe you were correct)

or, you could give the patients pills, which probably work and definitely do not result in potential red tape on your part

and please consider that these women live in Texas, where

Guardian | Texas attorney general says he will sue doctor who gives abortion to Kate Cox

This is the world these doctors are working under. If you don't dot every i and cross every T, we'll come after you. And hell, do it all by the book and we might come after you anyway. How could anyone imagine a world where this isn't the result?

That is truly horrible to deny a woman an abortion in the case of a non-viable pregnancy.
The person I was talking about didn't have to carry the baby to term, the baby passed someone around the 8 month mark, which was massively heart breaking.

It is a very fraught issue and I don't like people such as the AG in Texas making it a political point scoring exercise.
Likewise, the term "Emergency abortion" is applied incorrectly.
If the mother's life is at risk, it is an emergency... This wasn't one of those cases.
I am not saying she should have been forced to carry the baby to term, but it is not a correct application of "emergency"
It is tiring because both sides play political football while people suffer, it's disingenuous also for the reproductive rights groups to claim that their concern centers on such cases.

When you say "this wasn't one of those cases," are you referring to Kate Cox? Because this is an emergency situation. Her life is at risk, as is the viability of her womb and ability to have children long term.

Nov 28, 2024 6:27:06 GMT KJ said:

Nov 28, 2024 5:24:28 GMT iNCY said:

That is truly horrible to deny a woman an abortion in the case of a non-viable pregnancy.
The person I was talking about didn't have to carry the baby to term, the baby passed someone around the 8 month mark, which was massively heart breaking.

It is a very fraught issue and I don't like people such as the AG in Texas making it a political point scoring exercise.
Likewise, the term "Emergency abortion" is applied incorrectly.
If the mother's life is at risk, it is an emergency... This wasn't one of those cases.
I am not saying she should have been forced to carry the baby to term, but it is not a correct application of "emergency"
It is tiring because both sides play political football while people suffer, it's disingenuous also for the reproductive rights groups to claim that their concern centers on such cases.

When you say "this wasn't one of those cases," are you referring to Kate Cox? Because this is an emergency situation. Her life is at risk, as is the viability of her womb and ability to have children long term.

How?

I'm aware that when a child does in the womb, if the mothers body doesn't expel all the material that they are susceptible to infection, sepsis and death, but that does not happen until a while after the babies death.

www.news.com.au/technology/grateful-mark-zuckerberg-bends-the-knee-in-trip-to-donald-trumps-maralago/news-story/5567f35c75218b95115909753da8077e

Zucks bends the knee. No word of whether Trump is allowed back on Facebook, but I'm sure Zucky just got a lifelong ringside seat to the UFC.

All ignorance aside, Zuckers seems like a decent dude in his No Shits Given stage of life.

Nov 28, 2024 6:48:43 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 28, 2024 6:27:06 GMT KJ said:

When you say "this wasn't one of those cases," are you referring to Kate Cox? Because this is an emergency situation. Her life is at risk, as is the viability of her womb and ability to have children long term.

How?

I'm aware that when a child does in the womb, if the mothers body doesn't expel all the material that they are susceptible to infection, sepsis and death, but that does not happen until a while after the babies death.

Her doctors have said so. She’s had to go to the ER multiple times already.

I’m going to take their word over either of ours on the topic.

www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42655676/boise-state-withdraws-mountain-west-volleyball-tournament-rather-play-san-jose-state

This is crazy.

Nov 28, 2024 16:37:41 GMT KJ said:

Nov 28, 2024 6:48:43 GMT iNCY said:

How?

I'm aware that when a child does in the womb, if the mothers body doesn't expel all the material that they are susceptible to infection, sepsis and death, but that does not happen until a while after the babies death.

Her doctors have said so. She’s had to go to the ER multiple times already.

I’m going to take their word over either of ours on the topic.

I would take the word of her doctors also.
That doesn't mean I will take the word of the partisan hack reporters pushing an agenda who are telling us what her doctors said.

This is an awful situation and the AG deserves the contempt of everyone.
What I can't abide though is this being used by a very liberal and pro-abortion group to peddle their agenda.

Nov 28, 2024 20:11:28 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 28, 2024 16:37:41 GMT KJ said:

Her doctors have said so. She’s had to go to the ER multiple times already.

I’m going to take their word over either of ours on the topic.

I would take the word of her doctors also.
That doesn't mean I will take the word of the partisan hack reporters pushing an agenda who are telling us what her doctors said.

This is an awful situation and the AG deserves the contempt of everyone.
What I can't abide though is this being used by a very liberal and pro-abortion group to peddle their agenda.

Why is the reporter a partisan hack? Other than the fact you’ve surmised they’re liberal for … reporting on this story?