The world hasn’t changed. This specific issue has been amplified by people that want to gain power by ratcheting up fears about a small minority group of others. The group of others has changed and that will lead to different setbacks.

Using minority groups as a wedge issue to drive the majority to the polls to preserve their standard of morality is a political tactic as old as politics itself.

Nov 22, 2024 21:50:08 GMT RT said:

The entire argument about bathrooms falls flat when you remember that airplanes exist and nobody ever complained about those before now.

Loving that they are focusing on Linda now that Gaetz is gone. The ring boy scandal alone should be enough to tank her but I guess we’ll see.

Multiple people don’t use airport bathrooms at the same time?

The issue isn’t single-occupancy bathrooms.

Nov 22, 2024 21:53:12 GMT mikec said:

The world hasn’t changed. This specific issue has been amplified by people that want to gain power by ratcheting up fears about a small minority group of others. The group of others has changed and that will lead to different setbacks.

Using minority groups as a wedge issue to drive the majority to the polls to preserve their standard of morality is a political tactic as old as politics itself.

Widespread mental health issues =\= minority group.

The trans movement isnt healthy, and it’s being celebrated by the party despite the fact it’s widely viewed disapprovingly.

It’s also the first minority group that actively asks the majority of people to ignore reality.

Nov 22, 2024 22:21:11 GMT KJ said:

Nov 22, 2024 21:53:12 GMT mikec said:

The world hasn’t changed. This specific issue has been amplified by people that want to gain power by ratcheting up fears about a small minority group of others. The group of others has changed and that will lead to different setbacks.

Using minority groups as a wedge issue to drive the majority to the polls to preserve their standard of morality is a political tactic as old as politics itself.

Widespread mental health issues =\= minority group.

The trans movement isnt healthy, and it’s being celebrated by the party despite the fact it’s widely viewed disapprovingly.

It’s also the first minority group that actively asks the majority of people to ignore reality.

The first sentence is asinine. It’s a group of people and it’s a group smaller than the group that doesn’t share it’s characteristics.

Saying the trans movement isn’t healthy doesn’t solve for much. How many movements towards acceptance and tolerance have been considered healthy? The gay rights movement was unhealthy, women’s liberation was certainly considered unhealthy. It doesn’t really change the reality that there are people here that have this issue and we’re not going to legislate it out of existence and the negative treatment of them because of the issue is at least part of the mental health problems.

The celebration from the party is debatable at best, but you’re correct the socially progressive party of the time is frequently on the wrong side politically in social wedge issues defending groups that the majority don’t like.

Nov 22, 2024 22:58:36 GMT mikec said:

Nov 22, 2024 22:21:11 GMT KJ said:

Widespread mental health issues =\= minority group.

The trans movement isnt healthy, and it’s being celebrated by the party despite the fact it’s widely viewed disapprovingly.

It’s also the first minority group that actively asks the majority of people to ignore reality.

The first sentence is asinine. It’s a group of people and it’s a group smaller than the group that doesn’t share it’s characteristics.

Saying the trans movement isn’t healthy doesn’t solve for much. How many movements towards acceptance and tolerance have been considered healthy? The gay rights movement was unhealthy, women’s liberation was certainly considered unhealthy. It doesn’t really change the reality that there are people here that have this issue and we’re not going to legislate it out of existence and the negative treatment of them because of the issue is at least part of the mental health problems.

The celebration from the party is debatable at best, but you’re correct the socially progressive party of the time is frequently on the wrong side politically in social wedge issues defending groups that the majority don’t like.

You understood my point. 🙄

Their mental illness is why they have a suicide rate through the roof, not their treatment. There’s also a reason there’s a significant link of other neurodivergent issues with trans.

Regardless, this issue requires everyone else to accept how people “self identify.” It’s an internal viewpoint that everyone has to share. It’s unlike anything we’ve ever tried to force down society’s throat. This isn’t “let me love who I love,” this is “you have to live my lie and call me the right pronouns and let me compete in women’s sports because I wear makeup.”

It’s fucking absurdity.

And yeah, I also think it’s a trend. Going back to the autism thing, for teens, it’s a cheat code for acceptance for awkward and unpopular kids.

And the worst thing is allowing underage children to transition.

It’s fucking nuts.

That state of mind is why Democrats won’t win another election for at least a decade. Not even a popular vote.

I’m just glad the Trump presidency is going to put an end to that madness.

Nov 22, 2024 23:46:48 GMT KJ said:

Nov 22, 2024 22:58:36 GMT mikec said:

The first sentence is asinine. It’s a group of people and it’s a group smaller than the group that doesn’t share it’s characteristics.

Saying the trans movement isn’t healthy doesn’t solve for much. How many movements towards acceptance and tolerance have been considered healthy? The gay rights movement was unhealthy, women’s liberation was certainly considered unhealthy. It doesn’t really change the reality that there are people here that have this issue and we’re not going to legislate it out of existence and the negative treatment of them because of the issue is at least part of the mental health problems.

The celebration from the party is debatable at best, but you’re correct the socially progressive party of the time is frequently on the wrong side politically in social wedge issues defending groups that the majority don’t like.

You understood my point. 🙄

Their mental illness is why they have a suicide rate through the roof, not their treatment. There’s also a reason there’s a significant link of other neurodivergent issues with trans.

Regardless, this issue requires everyone else to accept how people “self identify.” It’s an internal viewpoint that everyone has to share. It’s unlike anything we’ve ever tried to force down society’s throat. This isn’t “let me love who I love,” this is “you have to live my lie and call me the right pronouns and let me compete in women’s sports because I wear makeup.”

It’s fucking absurdity.

And yeah, I also think it’s a trend. Going back to the autism thing, for teens, it’s a cheat code for acceptance for awkward and unpopular kids.

And the worst thing is allowing underage children to transition.

It’s fucking nuts.

WELCOME TO THE NWO BROTHER!

Hate to break it to you leftist extremist cult Nazis, but majority of America is MAGA.

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Nov 22, 2024 22:16:51 GMT KJ said:

Nov 22, 2024 21:50:08 GMT RT said:

The entire argument about bathrooms falls flat when you remember that airplanes exist and nobody ever complained about those before now.

Loving that they are focusing on Linda now that Gaetz is gone. The ring boy scandal alone should be enough to tank her but I guess we’ll see.

Multiple people don’t use airport bathrooms at the same time?

The issue isn’t single-occupancy bathrooms.

Neither are a problem here. Or in any other developed country. Been going to places with both single occupancy and multi occupancy gender neutral bathrooms for more than like 10 years without issue until loud Americans started yelling about it.

Nov 22, 2024 23:57:51 GMT RT said:

Nov 22, 2024 22:16:51 GMT KJ said:

Multiple people don’t use airport bathrooms at the same time?

The issue isn’t single-occupancy bathrooms.

Neither are a problem here. Or in any other developed country. Been going to places with both single occupancy and multi occupancy gender neutral bathrooms for more than like 10 years without issue until loud Americans started yelling about it.

Same with Drag Queens. 

NWO vs TEAM CANADA

LETS GET IT ON!

🇺🇸

Nov 23, 2024 0:01:25 GMT iron maiden said:

Nov 22, 2024 23:57:51 GMT RT said:

Neither are a problem here. Or in any other developed country. Been going to places with both single occupancy and multi occupancy gender neutral bathrooms for more than like 10 years without issue until loud Americans started yelling about it.

Same with Drag Queens. 

Zero reason for them to be near kids

Nov 22, 2024 23:57:51 GMT RT said:

Nov 22, 2024 22:16:51 GMT KJ said:

Multiple people don’t use airport bathrooms at the same time?

The issue isn’t single-occupancy bathrooms.

Neither are a problem here. Or in any other developed country. Been going to places with both single occupancy and multi occupancy gender neutral bathrooms for more than like 10 years without issue until loud Americans started yelling about it.

It was the left demanding access that led to the right blocking it.

Nov 22, 2024 22:58:36 GMT mikec said:

Nov 22, 2024 22:21:11 GMT KJ said:

Widespread mental health issues =\= minority group.

The trans movement isnt healthy, and it’s being celebrated by the party despite the fact it’s widely viewed disapprovingly.

It’s also the first minority group that actively asks the majority of people to ignore reality.

The first sentence is asinine. It’s a group of people and it’s a group smaller than the group that doesn’t share it’s characteristics.

Saying the trans movement isn’t healthy doesn’t solve for much. How many movements towards acceptance and tolerance have been considered healthy? The gay rights movement was unhealthy, women’s liberation was certainly considered unhealthy. It doesn’t really change the reality that there are people here that have this issue and we’re not going to legislate it out of existence and the negative treatment of them because of the issue is at least part of the mental health problems.

The celebration from the party is debatable at best, but you’re correct the socially progressive party of the time is frequently on the wrong side politically in social wedge issues defending groups that the majority don’t like.

Do you believe that someone who thinks they have anorexia should be accepted by society as fat?

That's the crux of it, I don't think you can see anorexia as a mental disorder and gender dysphoria as a mentally healthy form of sexual identification.
As KJ has already stated, the rates of suicide and self harm in the transgender community eclipse almost every other group.

Anorexia left unchecked will definitely kill you. Being transgendered will not. By definition that makes one healthier than the other.

And it’s absurd to suggest that the treatment of trans people has zero relation to the suicide rate of trans people. I’m all for anything that will reduce suicide rates, but no one here really is arguing for getting them help, just for pointing at them and calling them crazy.

But also, nothing I’ve said has considered trans people mentally healthy. Can’t say I really know, I’ve read plenty on both sides. I just don’t think outrage over which bathroom they’re in is related to concern for their suicide rates. Call a spade a spade. This is a minimal impact decision that wants to score some easy points against people that are different. The lady tweeting the ridiculous number of times about it only proved the point.

Nov 23, 2024 1:21:01 GMT iNCY said:

Nov 22, 2024 22:58:36 GMT mikec said:

The first sentence is asinine. It’s a group of people and it’s a group smaller than the group that doesn’t share it’s characteristics.

Saying the trans movement isn’t healthy doesn’t solve for much. How many movements towards acceptance and tolerance have been considered healthy? The gay rights movement was unhealthy, women’s liberation was certainly considered unhealthy. It doesn’t really change the reality that there are people here that have this issue and we’re not going to legislate it out of existence and the negative treatment of them because of the issue is at least part of the mental health problems.

The celebration from the party is debatable at best, but you’re correct the socially progressive party of the time is frequently on the wrong side politically in social wedge issues defending groups that the majority don’t like.

Do you believe that someone who thinks they have anorexia should be accepted by society as fat?

That's the crux of it, I don't think you can see anorexia as a mental disorder and gender dysphoria as a mentally healthy form of sexual identification.
As KJ has already stated, the rates of suicide and self harm in the transgender community eclipse almost every other group.

Black Guy to White People: "I'm a man, just like you. My black skin doesn't change that."

Trans Woman to Women: "I'm a girl, just like you. My dick doesn't change that."

Nov 23, 2024 1:44:15 GMT mikec said:

Anorexia left unchecked will definitely kill you. Being transgendered will not. By definition that makes one healthier than the other.

And it’s absurd to suggest that the treatment of trans people has zero relation to the suicide rate of trans people. I’m all for anything that will reduce suicide rates, but no one here really is arguing for getting them help, just for pointing at them and calling them crazy.

But also, nothing I’ve said has considered trans people mentally healthy. Can’t say I really know, I’ve read plenty on both sides. I just don’t think outrage over which bathroom they’re in is related to concern for their suicide rates. Call a spade a spade. This is a minimal impact decision that wants to score some easy points against people that are different. The lady tweeting the ridiculous number of times about it only proved the point.

The bathroom issue is emblematic of multiple issues.

Sports. Bathrooms. Policing of language.

Everything about what they deem their rights infringes on someone else's. And yes, in regards to language, the right to be an asshole should be protected. Canada specifically has moved to legislate it, but it's being cascaded throughout America in the form of "policy" where you won't go to jail, but you will lose your job, for not using people's preferred pronouns.

I tend to not believe in toxic masculinity overall. I think it's a buzzword.

But if there was such a thing, I think mentally ill men who think women must let them into their private spaces against their wishes would be high on the list.

Wow, Ron Paul actually near some levers of power. Hell has frozen over.

There have always been social consequences for being a disrespectful asshole, including getting fired.

Nov 23, 2024 5:41:46 GMT Gyro LC said:

There have always been social consequences for being a disrespectful asshole, including getting fired.

You used to get fired for being a guy and walking into the women’s bathroom too.

Nov 23, 2024 5:41:46 GMT Gyro LC said:

There have always been social consequences for being a disrespectful asshole, including getting fired.

Does that work both ways?

There's enough left-winged lunatics out there being incredibly disrespectful every day.

Delusional, divisive and damaging - The 3Ds of Liberal politics. Yet, if you call someone out on that, you're the bad guy.

And how do we define disrespect? Is it refusing to accept and enable someone's narcissism and delusions of self and distortions of reality? Or is it entering a private space designated to ensure the safety and well-being of particularly women and girls?

I don’t have a problem if someone does want to self-identify. You want to be “Pam” now? Be Pam.

I have a problem with them expecting society to shift what’s acceptable to accommodate their delusions.

I have a problem that there’s no criterion other than someone making a proclamation that this is who they are, so they can go into protected spaces now.

It’s crazy.

Nov 23, 2024 5:53:38 GMT KJ said:

Nov 23, 2024 5:41:46 GMT Gyro LC said:

There have always been social consequences for being a disrespectful asshole, including getting fired.

You used to get fired for being a guy and walking into the women’s bathroom too.

Employers can establish their bathroom rules as they like within state laws. One of my coworkers transitioned to female and HR had a call to express the rules the company used for trans people and bathrooms. I think it helped the person worked there 4+ years so it wasn’t some rando. Side note - Before coming out I noticed the person never ever used the urinal in the men’s room.

Serious question - what is stopping any man from going into a women’s restroom right now and assaulting someone? There isn’t some magical force field that keeps men out and the only way to get in is to proclaim yourself female. It’s the basic decency that virtually every person possesses. People who want to assault women will do so regardless of any rules.

Nov 23, 2024 6:37:54 GMT Gyro LC said:

Nov 23, 2024 5:53:38 GMT KJ said:

You used to get fired for being a guy and walking into the women’s bathroom too.

Employers can establish their bathroom rules as they like within state laws. One of my coworkers transitioned to female and HR had a call to express the rules the company used for trans people and bathrooms. I think it helped the person worked there 4+ years so it wasn’t some rando. Side note - Before coming out I noticed the person never ever used the urinal in the men’s room.

Crazy.

Nov 23, 2024 6:37:54 GMT Gyro LC said:

Serious question - what is stopping any man from going into a women’s restroom right now and assaulting someone? There isn’t some magical force field that keeps men out and the only way to get in is to proclaim yourself female. It’s the basic decency that virtually every person possesses. People who want to assault women will do so regardless of any rules.

That's the point. We operate on good faith and trust that people will do the right thing.

Being able to excuse or justify being in an environment because of how they feel, or how they say they feel has the potential to be exploited by the absolute worst human-beings.

Operating on good faith is what got us to the point where now they’re putting biological men in women sports and letting them use women’s bathrooms.

Operating on good faith leads to that old saying, “you give them an inch, they’ll take a yard.”

Nov 23, 2024 6:37:54 GMT Gyro LC said:

Serious question - what is stopping any man from going into a women’s restroom right now and assaulting someone? There isn’t some magical force field that keeps men out and the only way to get in is to proclaim yourself female. It’s the basic decency that virtually every person possesses. People who want to assault women will do so regardless of any rules.

I reject the premise of this question.

Literally every law (or policy) can be broken in the way you outlined.

Laws are deterrents, not magic spells.

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I’m gonna leave this thread for a while so I don’t tell you all what I really think as the father of a non-binary child with trans friends. I let the other mods know I won’t be paying attention to this thread for a bit.

I hope you all watch the above video and have a good think about it. And if your reaction is “but MY rights!” then think harder. I know you can get there. Well maybe some of you.

So yeah, 1/300 people identify as trans, so the other 299/300 people need to reshape the world to accommodate them.

It’s the epitome of first world problems to rage about people not respecting pronouns.