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Post by Strobe on Jul 10, 2020 21:55:35 GMT
From what I've read about 2001: A Space Odyssey, it is in that same category of film. Artsy fartsy. Abstract. Do you think it's worth my time to check out that movie? Or am I going to have the same response? It is so culturally significant that it is one of a small handful of films that I would deem "must-watch". But I don't think you'll like it.
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Post by Strobe on Jul 10, 2020 23:22:53 GMT
I first watched Citizen Kane some time between 10 and 15 years ago. I enjoyed it, but was not bowled over. In terms of status and reverence, this is the "greatest" film ever made. Nothing compares to its long-held standing among film aficionados. In that sense, it has as much baggage as it is possible for a film to have. It basically has to overcome its reputation at this point, a near impossible feat given said reputation.
I finally decided it was time for a second viewing and watched it a few days ago, following it up by listening to some related podcasts. It is truly a masterpiece. It may get too much credit in terms of pioneering techniques, as opposed to perfecting and using them all in tandem. But it is a technical tour de force, almost to the film's detriment - you can be too busy admiring to be truly absorbed into it. There is a certain magic to the shots in old films that leave you wondering how it was possible with the technology at the time. Citizen Kane is one of the great special effects films of all time, but so much more than that.
This was the boy genius Orson Welles given carte blanche and he created Charles Foster Kane, some parts the incredibly powerful William Randolph Hearst, some part Welles himself and ultimately prophetic of his own fate. His acting performance does not get talked about enough - ranging from the young, exuberant Kane to the aged and defeated one, where he carries himself so believably like an old man. The excellent make-up is also worthy of note.
It is a film chock-full of great shots and great lines. The narrative structure is fantastic and the documentary-style News on the March segment that gives an overview of his life feels so credible. It features some of the best transitions you will ever see. The mise-en-scène, lighting and framing communicate moods and ideas. Every scene can be, and has been, analysed. There is so much to be discussed about each relationship within the film. It is a great mystery, the attempt to interpret a life. Can you ever really know someone? Can they ever really know themselves? This is not a film that was "good for its time" or that needs to worry about holding up. It is hard to see if ever not being regarded as great.
It is seen as the pinnacle of Welles' genius, released while he was still only 25 years old, but it is a work of universal greatness from a group of supreme talent. The cast is fantastic, many from his Mercury Theatre company, making their film debuts. I want to single out Agnes Moorehead as Kane's mother, just because it is one of the greatest performances with almost no screen time that I can think of - detached and haunting. You have the oft-discussed phenomenal use of deep-focus (keeping all aspects of the screen, foreground and background, in focus) by cinematographer Gregg Toland, who died young only 7 years later. The tremendous and varied score by Bernard Herrmann, who would become most well-known for his 9-film collaboration with Alfred Hitchcock and finish his career with Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver. The wonderful script, co-written by Herman J. Manciewicz, a famed (and often uncredited) script fixer/doctor of the time. The incredible editing by Robert Wise, who would go on to direct The Day The Earth Stood Still and the Best Picture winners West Side Story and The Sound of Music.
For me, it lacks that inexplicable intangible that puts it absolutely over-the-top into contention for my #1 spot. Some films are more than the sum of their parts. This manages to feel less than the sum of its parts, but that sum is something else. It currently sits inside the top 15 of my working list and I may watch it again before finalising.
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Post by RagnarokMike on Jul 11, 2020 1:28:42 GMT
Artemis Fowl: Sucked, skip it. I read very bad things about the film, which is a shame, because I loved the books as a kid, and it might have been a great nostalgia trip. Sounds more like a memory-tarnisher, and perhaps the somewhat convoluted plot doesn't hold up to an adult's scrutiny, even more so when condensed and morphed into movie format. I'd like to keep my shiny memories nice and shiny, thanks. I can’t think of a single redeeming quality the movie had, the main kid was positively awful. Even Colin Farrel more or less didn’t seem all that interested in being there.
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Post by sandylea on Jul 11, 2020 14:03:21 GMT
I bought a bunch of DVD’s today that i was planning on giving as Christmas presents to my mum and step Dad. I decided I should watch them first incase they are incredibly horrible and not appropriate to give them. (Eg. My mum loves horror movies but not the softcore violent porn types lol).
First Jacob’s Ladder remake - I haven’t seen the original, but damn this one was complete got garbage and I honestly don’t know if they’ll like it or not.
Piercing - super super super weird movie. Like American Psycho but weirder. They will most likely definitely like this one.
10x10 - Weird, (I’m sensing a pattern) but short/to the point. Luke Evans is gorgeous. It’s violent. My mum is going to love it.
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Post by nath45 on Jul 12, 2020 3:13:13 GMT
Hustlers
The synopsis would imply a bunch of strippers pulled the world's greatest con on a bunch of Wall Street bankers.
They didn't. It's the story of two middle aged strippers and co drugging and fleecing dudes out of a few thousand buck each by charging excessive volumes of alcohol to their credit cards, with the club then giving them a cut.
As hard as they try, never does this criminal conspiracy become worthy of a movie.
Switch off after J-lo's introduction.
Awful. **
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Post by 🤯 on Jul 12, 2020 13:17:26 GMT
HustlersThe synopsis would imply a bunch of strippers pulled the world's greatest con on a bunch of Wall Street bankers. They didn't. It's the story of two middle aged strippers and co drugging and fleecing dudes out of a few thousand buck each by charging excessive volumes of alcohol to their credit cards, with the club then giving them a cut. As hard as they try, never does this criminal conspiracy become worthy of a movie. Switch off after J-lo's introduction. Awful. ** Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I was pleasantly surprised by how good Hustlers was. Then again, maybe that's because I went in with low expectations?
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Post by Emperor on Jul 12, 2020 22:48:19 GMT
Aliens (1986) - Extended Edition What a huge let down. The film is called Aliens and I didn't even see any aliens until well after the hour mark. What a fucking waste of time.
Just kidding. I come out of Aliens completely blown away, thinking it's close to a perfect movie and a mindblowingly good sequel. There is an hour of scene setting, until anything "happens", but the plot moves along at just the right place. The exposition is not a second too long. The character introductions are sufficient for their purpose. Everything is clear. There are a lot of tropey moments, such as Ripley having to race against the clock to rescue Newt and get out of the compound, but none felt forced because of the phenomenal script. So many little subplots done perfectly as well, such as the reversal of the plot device from the first film where the android was the corrupt villain. This time the android, Bishop, is one of the heroes, and the human is the corrupt one.
The final showdown had me half-rolling my eyes, and I could nitpick certain moments, but I won't. Aliens earned that climax ten times over, and it was a phenomenal spectacle. Bishop surviving was the icing on the cake. Having Ripley be the sole survivor twice in a row would have been too bleak, having three survivors with her, whose characters were established enough for me to genuinely care about, is wonderful.
Will make my Top 100 for sure. Will the original Alien make it? I'd say it's borderline, but probably.
Is Aliens 3 worth watching? Or any of the sequels/prequels?
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Post by Ness on Jul 12, 2020 23:39:19 GMT
Is Aliens 3 worth watching? Or any of the sequels/prequels? Run away.
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Post by @admin on Jul 12, 2020 23:50:31 GMT
I watched Super 8 last night. Google shows me that it's a well discussed topic, but I was completely unaware of just how unoriginal Stranger Things is. They literally copied the entire cast of characters! Utterly unashamed plagiarism. :lol: HustlersThe synopsis would imply a bunch of strippers pulled the world's greatest con on a bunch of Wall Street bankers. They didn't. It's the story of two middle aged strippers and co drugging and fleecing dudes out of a few thousand buck each by charging excessive volumes of alcohol to their credit cards, with the club then giving them a cut. As hard as they try, never does this criminal conspiracy become worthy of a movie. Switch off after J-lo's introduction. Awful. ** Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I was pleasantly surprised by how good Hustlers was. Then again, maybe that's because I went in with low expectations? Yeah, Hustlers was good fun. Acting like the only part of value is seeing J-Lo on a pole is total macho BS. One of the best parts about it was the way the women were never portrayed as if they were really doing anything wrong, because in some other hands the story could have been turned into some sanctimonious crap. The benefits of a female director I would say.
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Post by nath45 on Jul 14, 2020 4:05:35 GMT
I watched Super 8 last night. Google shows me that it's a well discussed topic, but I was completely unaware of just how unoriginal Stranger Things is. They literally copied the entire cast of characters! Utterly unashamed plagiarism. :lol: Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I was pleasantly surprised by how good Hustlers was. Then again, maybe that's because I went in with low expectations? Yeah, Hustlers was good fun. Acting like the only part of value is seeing J-Lo on a pole is total macho BS. One of the best parts about it was the way the women were never portrayed as if they were really doing anything wrong, because in some other hands the story could have been turned into some sanctimonious crap. The benefits of a female director I would say. No, the inclusion of Fiona Apple's Criminal was also of note during that scene.
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Post by mikec on Jul 14, 2020 12:30:04 GMT
I watched Super 8 last night. Google shows me that it's a well discussed topic, but I was completely unaware of just how unoriginal Stranger Things is. They literally copied the entire cast of characters! Utterly unashamed plagiarism. :lol: Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I was pleasantly surprised by how good Hustlers was. Then again, maybe that's because I went in with low expectations? Yeah, Hustlers was good fun. Acting like the only part of value is seeing J-Lo on a pole is total macho BS. One of the best parts about it was the way the women were never portrayed as if they were really doing anything wrong, because in some other hands the story could have been turned into some sanctimonious crap. The benefits of a female director I would say. I am not sure we can really call Super 8 original either, it’s definitely taking quite a bit from Spielberg. I don’t think that the Stranger Things folk are really trying to make something original, they have been pretty clear that they’re making an homage that’s referencing dozens of movie influences from the 80’s.
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Post by @admin on Jul 14, 2020 23:58:38 GMT
I watched Super 8 last night. Google shows me that it's a well discussed topic, but I was completely unaware of just how unoriginal Stranger Things is. They literally copied the entire cast of characters! Utterly unashamed plagiarism. :lol: Yeah, Hustlers was good fun. Acting like the only part of value is seeing J-Lo on a pole is total macho BS. One of the best parts about it was the way the women were never portrayed as if they were really doing anything wrong, because in some other hands the story could have been turned into some sanctimonious crap. The benefits of a female director I would say. I am not sure we can really call Super 8 original either, it’s definitely taking quite a bit from Spielberg. I don’t think that the Stranger Things folk are really trying to make something original, they have been pretty clear that they’re making an homage that’s referencing dozens of movie influences from the 80’s. That's fair enough, I haven't seen enough original 80s stuff to really know, but Spielberg was involved in Super 8 so surely that makes a difference. To me they have fairly obviously crossed the line from homage to outright copy. The characters were virtually identical - the group of four nerdy friends (including one fat one), the protagonist falling in love with the girl who is connected to the giant spider alien, the older kid who starts out being a dick to them but ends up helping, the parental figure who works as a cop...
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Post by mikec on Jul 15, 2020 4:14:32 GMT
I am not sure we can really call Super 8 original either, it’s definitely taking quite a bit from Spielberg. I don’t think that the Stranger Things folk are really trying to make something original, they have been pretty clear that they’re making an homage that’s referencing dozens of movie influences from the 80’s. That's fair enough, I haven't seen enough original 80s stuff to really know, but Spielberg was involved in Super 8 so surely that makes a difference. To me they have fairly obviously crossed the line from homage to outright copy. The characters were virtually identical - the group of four nerdy friends (including one fat one), the protagonist falling in love with the girl who is connected to the giant spider alien, the older kid who starts out being a dick to them but ends up helping, the parental figure who works as a cop... I think you’re probably right that a significant amount of stuff is similar, because they have the same inspirations. Super 8 is ripping off the same movies that Stranger Things is. Stranger things is really closer to ET with the 3 kids and an alien that has super powers to make bikes fly running from mysterious suits who you don’t really get an understanding of. The kids in both movies are pretty reminiscent of The Goonies. The movie and the show are similar (I think, I watched Super 8 once and liked it), but it’s not because the Duffer Brotgers we’re stealing from Super 8, it’s because they’re both stealing from Spielberg. Here’s a well researched list of the tv shows numerous homages and influences - strangerthings.fandom.com/wiki/Influences_%26_references
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Post by Emperor on Jul 18, 2020 20:50:27 GMT
12 Angry Men (1957)
Watched this for the third time tonight, on this occasion with my family. My opinion hasn't changed: it's a perfect movie. It's always nice to rewatch a movie and pick up on some little details you didn't notice before. For instance, they actually show the defendant's face at the start of the movie. I never noticed this before. Maybe it didn't consciously register it, because it's extremely brief.
Another little detail is concerning when Henry Fonda's character brings up how difficult it is to remember specific things you did from even a few days ago. Maybe 5-10 minutes before that, he's having a casual chat with the Foreman. The Foreman is talking about some arbitrary thing in his past, but struggling to remember the precise details. This is what put that train of thought in Henry Fonda's mind. Such a tight script.
My family loved it too. Mother and father have seen it before. My brother hadn't. He doesn't watch films in general but he loved it. It took a lot of persuasion to get him to watch it with us. I actually thought it would never happen :lol:
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Post by 🤯 on Jul 18, 2020 21:31:13 GMT
12 Angry Men (1957)Watched this for the third time tonight, on this occasion with my family. My opinion hasn't changed: it's a perfect movie. It's always nice to rewatch a movie and pick up on some little details you didn't notice before. For instance, they actually show the defendant's face at the start of the movie. I never noticed this before. Maybe it didn't consciously register it, because it's extremely brief. Another little detail is concerning when Henry Fonda's character brings up how difficult it is to remember specific things you did from even a few days ago. Maybe 5-10 minutes before that, he's having a casual chat with the Foreman. The Foreman is talking about some arbitrary thing in his past, but struggling to remember the precise details. This is what put that train of thought in Henry Fonda's mind. Such a tight script. My family loved it too. Mother and father have seen it before. My brother hadn't. He doesn't watch films in general but he loved it. It took a lot of persuasion to get him to watch it with us. I actually thought it would never happen :lol: I still can't thank you (I presume it was you?) for recommending this and encouraging me to finally watch it several years ago. It was instant love. So compelling, so engrossing. I'm curious to see how high it lands on my Top 100.
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Post by Ness on Jul 19, 2020 1:23:18 GMT
Terrifier.
Killer clown only it's more mime than wise cracking Pennywise. Holy shit one of those scenes had him saw someone in half as they hung upside down... one of those unintentional hilarious scenes in cinema history.
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Post by The Kid on Jul 19, 2020 1:30:21 GMT
Terrifier. Killer clown only it's more mime than wise cracking Pennywise. Holy shit one of those scenes had him saw someone in half as they hung upside down... one of those unintentional hilarious scenes in cinema history. Dude. My wife made me watch this a few months ago. Fucking awful movie. Great clown, but awful movie. That upside down thing was pretty cool, but the movie was just fucking awful!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 9:45:21 GMT
I watched Ring (the original Japanese one) for the first time in ages.
It's still really good. There's a nice sense of dread right the way through (it even feels unnerving when dates show at the bottom of the screen) and it's the perfect length. The story never outstays its welcome and it's got a great ending too.
There's only a small cast, but it's a good one. Nanako Matsushima is lovely and she brought a very gentle presence to the movie. Hiroyuki Sanada comes across as very aloof (and a bit shifty TBH) and their different personalities really work well together. There's only really one other significant speaking role - a grumpy old man, who comes across as very grumpy and also old, so that's a win.
I absolutely love the content of the video tape itself. It still makes me feel weirdly uncomfortable and I was happy to see it was included as an extra on the blu-ray, so I could sit there and just watch it over and over.
Side note: I think the American remake was pretty good too. I saw it at the cinema with friends when it came out and it's a happy memory of a time I had friends. The US Ring 2 was the absolute pits though and I haven't seen the one with Leonard in it yet.
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Post by Emperor on Jul 19, 2020 12:01:02 GMT
The Japanese Ring 2 is possibly my favourite of the series. It certainly has the scariest moments of the franchise for me, but perhaps as a whole it's not quite as tight as the first.
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Post by @admin on Jul 20, 2020 3:10:58 GMT
I had a three day weekend last weekend (a happy reprieve from how crazy things have been lately at work), and the Friday was also the release of the Hamilton movie so I decided to spend a leisurely morning giving it a try. My knowledge of Hamilton was fairly limited. I knew it was about Alexander Hamilton, knee there was a lot of hip hop, that the founding fathers were played by minorities, and had heard (and generally liked) the song My Shot. But even when the touring company came to Iowa I didn’t consider trying to see it (several friends did unsuccessfully though, tickets were crazy) Anyway, Im pleasantly surprised to say that I really enjoy it. The songs are terrific, I’m impressed by how they did on the recording of the performances. There are several songs that are catchy that have been stuck in my head, and it’s rewatchable in full or small doses. Anyway, I’d recommend it to anybody as I feel like there’s something here for most people. Primary criticism is the first act is significantly stronger, which really does sometimes help you feel the “oh it’s been almost three hours” type feel. But the second act’s battle raps between Jefferson and Hamilton are terrific. The central tension between someone that will speak up no matter the cost versus someone eager to not offend anyone is interesting, even if I don’t know how accurate it is (I know Hamilton was a big talker, I don’t know a significant amount about Burr). The portrayal of Jefferson is where the best choices are being made. Jefferson is mostly remembered now as the writer of the Declaration of Independence, but contrast that against him as a man of significant privilege and the utter lack of awareness present in someone that “owned” 600 people and then wrote that they were all created equal and had the right to pursue happiness. The other takeaway I came away with was how fascinated guys in the 18th Century were with legacy. I’m sure there are people still worried about this, but the idea of it is significantly different 250 years later. I watched this last night and loved it! Like most musicals it took me a little while to get into (it always takes me a couple of songs to get tuned in and be able to follow exactly what is happening!) but when I did the time really flew by. I'm sure I knew even less about his life that you, but not knowing the story was probably an advantage actually. My interest is definitely piqued to read some more about the revolution. Agreed that the cabinet battles were a real highlight - the way they worked in the Grandmaster Flash/Biggie Smalls/Tupac lines were super clever. I think Daveed Diggs in general was the standout of the whole show
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Post by RagnarokMike on Jul 21, 2020 5:57:31 GMT
Palm Springs-Solid Groundhog Day-alike, though neither overly funny or heartfelt. All the key in players did their job well, though the ending raises a series of unanswered questions. Not a bad watch, nothing too memorable.
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Post by rad on Jul 22, 2020 2:01:34 GMT
Just finished The Last Dance. Absolutely worth all the hype. Probably my favorite sports documentary/docuseries and that's already a pretty crowded list; at least top 3. The nostalgia is real here; seeing all this 90's footage feels like a time warp. MJ was my idol when I was a kid; hell, I still even have my old Space Jam poster hung up in the living room. Like all great idols (my second being Bret Favre, yeeesh) you grow up and find out that they're not perfect people just like yourself and that shiny facade begins to crack away as you grow older. I had grown to borderline hate MJ as an adult while simultaneously maintaining that no one is even close to being considered the GOAT by comparison. The series only reinforced my stance while also changing some perspectives on MJ as a person. I still think he's a dick at times, but who isn't? And if he wasn't, there'd be no "Air Jordan" and fuck would that have sucked. [9//10]{Spoiler}Couple notes: -- The music... bah gawd, the music. What a soundtrack. -- Detailing MJ's early time with the Bulls was really interesting to me, as aside from that injury in 85/86'ish I really didn't know much about this era of his tenure with the club. Dudes smoking cigarettes, doing rails and kicking back shots in the locker room? What is this, Rec League Softball? -- Not enough Phil Jackson yoga rituals, Native American pep talks and general incense burning here. -- Not to speak ill of the dead, but Jerry Krause is simultaneously a genius for helping assemble the team he did and also the world's biggest buffoon for pretty much dismantling said team how and when he did. -- Sonics should have never traded Scottie. Speaking of Scottie, it's bullshit that he wasn't even in the Top 100 best paid in the league, absolute crime. Top 5 in the league during his peak, easily, still one of the best two-way players to ever play the game. -- Seeing Kobe talk about how without Michael's influence and support there'd basically be no "Black Mamba" made this grown man want to cry, RIP KB. -- Cool to see MJ mention the Pacers as his toughest adversaries in the 90's; These were my two favorite teams as a kid even though they were rivals. Meanwhile the Cavs blew chunks around this time and were barely even on TV. -- Utah Jazz fans were apparently geeked out on speed before attending games in the 90's, dear gawd. -- Jordan pushed off my ass. That was the bitch slap version of pushing off...
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Post by 🤯 on Jul 22, 2020 2:28:39 GMT
Rewatched Marvel Studios' Avengers: Endgame across last night and tonight.
Three questions:
1. How did Tony know to go back to Fort Lehigh on a specific time/day in 1970 if it was before he was born?
2. Why did Peggy Carter in 1970 at Fort Lehigh look no older than she did 25+ years prior when we last saw her during the final days of WWII?
3. What happened to 2014 Gamora? She knees Starlord in the gonads then just peace out? To where? Why? Or did Stark's finger snap accidentally dust her too?
4. That clanging at the end... That was meant to echo Tony hammering on the original cave-dweller version of Iron Man, right?
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Post by nath45 on Jul 24, 2020 8:00:14 GMT
🤯 the clanging at the end is rumoured to be the little boy from IM3 - all grown up ( he is at Tony's funeral ) It's assumed he will take on the mantle as Iron Man.
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Post by Big Pete on Jul 25, 2020 12:38:48 GMT
Was watching Green Book again when this scene came on. Now 🤯's super power makes more sense.
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Post by 🤯 on Jul 25, 2020 14:02:33 GMT
Titsburgh indeed!
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Post by Big Pete on Jul 25, 2020 15:18:19 GMT
Now I understand why you were so offended by Phoebe Cates, you guys proud yourself on these things.
Can't wait to see the master list. I've got Lesnar/Goldberg IV levels of anticipation.
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Post by 🤯 on Jul 26, 2020 1:04:45 GMT
Now I understand why you were so offended by Phoebe Cates, you guys proud yourself on these things. Can't wait to see the master list. I've got Lesnar/Goldberg IV levels of anticipation. I started working on this the other night... ...and got caught. So it might be a longer work in progress than BROCKTOBER.
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Post by Big Pete on Jul 26, 2020 12:12:41 GMT
Now I understand why you were so offended by Phoebe Cates, you guys proud yourself on these things. Can't wait to see the master list. I've got Lesnar/Goldberg IV levels of anticipation. I started working on this the other night... ...and got caught. So it might be a longer work in progress than BROCKTOBER.
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I gave you Phoebe, you just gave me a headache.
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Post by 🤯 on Jul 26, 2020 13:15:12 GMT
I started working on this the other night... ...and got caught. So it might be a longer work in progress than BROCKTOBER. ... I gave you Phoebe, you just gave me a headache.
Which head?
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