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Post by Spotty on Nov 11, 2023 12:22:10 GMT
Continually pretending Israel is 100% innocent, I don't know whether it's naive or arrogance. There’s a third option I’m thinking of… but sure it could be one of those two thing too I guess.
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Post by N A T H on Nov 12, 2023 21:13:06 GMT
Another oops slip up...
And an Israeli minister has caused renewed outrage by referring to the operations in Gaza as a “Nakba” – a term which refers to the expulsion of Palestinian Arabs from what is now Israel in the late 1940s.
“We are now actually rolling out the Nakba of Gaza. In the forefront, this is the Nakba of Gaza,” Avi Dichter told a national TV station.
“So this is the Nakba of Gaza, Avi Dichter?” asked the channel’s host.
“The Nakba of Gaza, 2023,” Mr Dichter affirmed.
Nakba refers to that one time good guys Israel kicked out +700,000 Arabs after taking a further 78% of Mandated Palestinian land.
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Post by iNCY on Nov 12, 2023 23:25:01 GMT
Another oops slip up... And an Israeli minister has caused renewed outrage by referring to the operations in Gaza as a “Nakba” – a term which refers to the expulsion of Palestinian Arabs from what is now Israel in the late 1940s. “We are now actually rolling out the Nakba of Gaza. In the forefront, this is the Nakba of Gaza,” Avi Dichter told a national TV station. “So this is the Nakba of Gaza, Avi Dichter?” asked the channel’s host. “The Nakba of Gaza, 2023,” Mr Dichter affirmed. Nakba refers to that one time good guys Israel kicked out +700,000 Arabs after taking a further 78% of Mandated Palestinian land. This is a pretty big deal, if there was ever a comment that would drag Iran and Lebanon as well as possibly Turkey in, it is this. Anyone watching should by this stage have little doubt that we are witnessing the destruction of Gaza, it will never again be under Palestinian control.
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Post by c on Nov 12, 2023 23:53:35 GMT
Got to love the US just yesterday saying they do not support occupation or displacement of Gaza long term. Meanwhile Israel from the start said this was the goal of this current PM. He literally ran on this.
I think they will get Gaza back after international pressure. But is that really a win at this point? The city was like leveled and there is no money to fix it, and any money that comes in, Israel will simply absorb through contractor costs. Will take decades to recover.
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Post by iNCY on Nov 13, 2023 0:54:49 GMT
Got to love the US just yesterday saying they do not support occupation or displacement of Gaza long term. Meanwhile Israel from the start said this was the goal of this current PM. He literally ran on this. I think they will get Gaza back after international pressure. But is that really a win at this point? The city was like leveled and there is no money to fix it, and any money that comes in, Israel will simply absorb through contractor costs. Will take decades to recover. People keep overlooking that Palestinians in Gaza are Israeli citizens, the only way that Gaza can be rebuilt is if Israel chooses to rebuild it. Instead the are actually expelling all Gaza residents from Israel back into the war zone. The comments calling for ceasefires and moderation from the US government are slowing from a trickle to a nothing. Mostly because Israel ignores it and sends an FU straight back to the US which makes the Administration look weak. Nobody has every been able to explain to me why the US funds every year the Israeli military's complex, this is an advanced economy not some third world country. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations#:~:text=In%201999%2C%20the%20US%20government,now%20standing%20at%20a%20minimum You think when you donate that sort of money you might get listened to when you ask for a ceasefire right?
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Post by c on Nov 13, 2023 1:20:11 GMT
Yeah I love how they can lobby the US and get 100 fold their investment. Just insane. But we are just idiots who they can manipulate.
Palestinians are not really Israeli citizens. They made that very clear by forcing them into Gaza and the West Bank and not allowing them free movement.
And yeah the US cease fire shit is toothless and just to prevent riots here. Will only have meaning when we move our fleets.
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Post by N A T H on Nov 13, 2023 2:32:39 GMT
Israeli snipers shooting at people trying to get into Hospitals doesn't exactly put over " we're the good guys " does it.
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Post by c on Nov 13, 2023 15:27:33 GMT
But they offered them 2 hours worth of oil as a truce!!!
The world is really learning why many arabs consider the IDF terrorists.
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Post by c on Nov 13, 2023 19:43:50 GMT
Oliver just dismantled most of the bullshit both sides been pushing related to this conflict. And shows how the media is framing it in a way that is not at all accurate to even what is happening.
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Post by c on Nov 14, 2023 20:19:31 GMT
US and Israel saying now that Gaza hospitals are Hamas operational hubs. Which sets up justification to bomb them.
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Post by KJ on Nov 15, 2023 5:35:55 GMT
US and Israel saying now that Gaza hospitals are Hamas operational hubs. Which sets up justification to bomb them. Israel has been making this point for weeks. It’s not new news.
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Post by iNCY on Nov 15, 2023 11:46:59 GMT
They better show some bloody good photos of the most advanced bases of all time.
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Post by RT on Nov 15, 2023 14:20:47 GMT
They better show some bloody good photos of the most advanced bases of all time. Nah instead we just get 4K video of premature babies suffocating due to power outages and of parents sifting through body parts looking for their children. Those Hamas terrorists sure had tiny limbs.
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Post by Spotty on Nov 15, 2023 16:45:30 GMT
US and Israel saying now that Gaza hospitals are Hamas operational hubs. Which sets up justification to bomb them. Israel has been making this point for weeks. It’s not new news. True but it’s the first time our government has officially said it. Which I think makes it news.
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Post by c on Nov 16, 2023 2:06:09 GMT
And that the US is willing to treat them as military bases so when Israel attacks them, we can look the other way.
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Post by c on Nov 16, 2023 15:30:23 GMT
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told the leader of Hamas sorry dawg, you done fucked up and I am not bailing your ass out. Iran will be sitting out this war. Hezbollah will continue to shoot down American drones or rockets in the region, but that will be the extent of Iran, and their allies, involvement. The meeting occured in Iran, not in a Israeli hospital. www.yahoo.com/news/iran-tells-hamas-not-enter-190351808.html
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Post by iNCY on Nov 17, 2023 1:34:05 GMT
So far this is looking a lot like WMD in Iraq, a couple of guns and vests does not a headquarters make.
I'm yet to see the Resident Evil subterranean base that was suggested.
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Post by c on Nov 17, 2023 1:43:46 GMT
The tunnels are real. Hamas built them up for ages. What is happening most likely is that wounded hamas members are in the hospitals and that is justification for bombing.
It has been confirmed the leaders are not in the country, so we are destroying any and all things for ordinary soldiers.
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Post by iNCY on Nov 17, 2023 4:41:16 GMT
The tunnels are real. Hamas built them up for ages. What is happening most likely is that wounded hamas members are in the hospitals and that is justification for bombing. It has been confirmed the leaders are not in the country, so we are destroying any and all things for ordinary soldiers. That's not the justification they used though, there was supposed to be a high level command centre beneath the hospital.
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Post by c on Nov 17, 2023 4:54:34 GMT
Then they swapped to high level Hamas members. And since no one will call them on any of this, it does not even really matter.
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Post by c on Nov 17, 2023 11:49:36 GMT
Israel confirms they freed several hostages from the hospital. And by freed, they mean from this mortal coil.
Also video of the undergrad base has emerged. And shock it is a tunnel everyone knew existed.
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Post by c on Nov 18, 2023 22:47:34 GMT
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Post by c on Nov 19, 2023 0:05:45 GMT
Also appearing they did not pay many House Democrats enough as 50 or so now are demanding ceasefire. Some in the Senate are caving on unconditional support as well. Unless Israel changes shit up, as they move into South Gaza, they will do so without more US funding.
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Post by c on Nov 19, 2023 8:28:47 GMT
US is working on a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel to get people out. PArt of the deal is the release of hostages.
Major problem with the deal is Hamas does not know where all the hostages are anymore as they lost contact with some cells. So releasing all the hostage is no longer feasible. They claim they can release at least 50 hostages and more as they find them as the ceasefire goes on.
Very likely funding for Israel depends on them taking this deal.
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Post by c on Nov 19, 2023 21:57:27 GMT
Also as predicted, democrats supporting Israel have run out of time, and now are finding their conventions heavily protested and shut down. First one in DC, and now in Cali.
Since the GOP fucked around with aid to Israel and linking it to defunding the IRS, no aid has been approved yet, and an increasing block opposing unconditional aid.
Lawmakers also know that they need to pass something ASAP as the government is expected to shut down in Jan.
Unless it is pitched as a single item bill, which is not likely, it appears though the US 50 plus billion in aid will not be coming. And even as a single item bill, heavy pressure on democrats to put heavy conditions on it to curb the violence in Gaza and West Bank against non-Hamas members of Palestine.
And still a minority of democrats who refuse to fund any other country if we cannot afford social programs for our own. If we do not have this cash for money for kid's lunches at schools, then we do not have it for international conflicts.
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Post by N A T H on Nov 19, 2023 23:44:36 GMT
Those are people trying to escape Gaza City.
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Post by c on Nov 19, 2023 23:57:18 GMT
Follows a leaflet drop that says to shows a safe route to southern Gaza. Option now is to flee or starve.
Mass pressure was put on Israel internationally to give these people a way to leave. After they dropped the flyers though they said they believe Hamas leaders are now in South Gaza with the refugees.
Israel also now claiming all hostages at al Shifa Hospital were killed. All two of them. The entire attack was over two hostages. More innocent people died than hostages could have been saved.
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Post by KJ on Nov 20, 2023 4:31:24 GMT
Has anyone seen death toll from sources other than the Palestinian Ministry of Health?
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Post by iNCY on Nov 20, 2023 4:37:34 GMT
Has anyone seen death toll from sources other than the Palestinian Ministry of Health? There are only two parties who can report: the Israeli government and the Palestinian government which is Hamas. You can ignore the Palestinian numbers if you choose, but you can't get independent numbers when you are indiscriminately bombing a city and barring independent international aid organisations. So you can't really criticise numbers as biased when there is no mechanism to get any other numbers... This is a war crime, a civilian population is being murdered for the acts of a terrorist organisation.
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Post by KJ on Nov 20, 2023 4:54:04 GMT
Has anyone seen death toll from sources other than the Palestinian Ministry of Health? There are only two parties who can report: the Israeli government and the Palestinian government which is Hamas. You can ignore the Palestinian numbers if you choose, but you can't get independent numbers when you are indiscriminately bombing a city and barring independent international aid organisations. So you can't really criticise numbers as biased when there is no mechanism to get any other numbers... This is a war crime, a civilian population is being murdered for the acts of a terrorist organisation. It’s not binary, Incy. The numbers can be bullshit and the bombings can be wrong. It was also a good faith question, not a gotcha.
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