Nov 14, 2018 15:44:31 GMT shinobimusashi said:

I watched a little bit of the Bucs this year but wasn't really impressed with Fitzpatrick, he's won 2 games and is ranked over guys who have more passing yards, more wins, and fewer interceptions. I have an issue with him being ranked over Watson who has won games playing behind bottom 5 o-line winning with broken chest/punctured lung with more passing yards fewer interceptions and more game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks than Fitzpatrick. He's an interception throwing machine and I predict his stats fall off sharply once he gets some games now that we're in the thick of the season where shit gets real, he shined early on in the first part of the year that is like an extension of pre-season ever since they limited practice in the 2011 CBA.

Yeah I'm with you on that one , then again I expect him to turn into a pumpkin at any moment as history would suggest. Fitzy can get hot but he can also get ICE COLD and be terrible for long stretches. I felt like I had him far too high at #15 but still behind Watson and Wilson and the like - it's why I couldn't make my list based on JUST these ten games as I know there are circumstances surrounding these guys and judging the best QB's in the NFL on a 10 games sample size just doesn't work for me. 

Circumstances matter. Overcoming adversity matters. Deshaun has done that despite not putting up gaudy numbers. Rodgers as well despite not putting up insane touchdown numbers ever game. 

Nov 14, 2018 15:59:01 GMT UT said:

Nov 13, 2018 22:17:46 GMT thereallt said:

Gotta agree with Todd and Kid on this one. Rodgers at #1 for a week 10 list of QB's is weak. Brees, Mahomes and Rivers have easily played better football than Rodgers this season and I could easily argue that Goff and Ryan have as well. Not Brady though, not after he shit the bed this past week.

Also having Fitz above Wilson??? No way, not in a million years.


Finally how is Jameis low??  He's been the drizzling shits this season, and it wasn't like he was  a brilliant QB to begin with.     His spot on the list is legit.

And yet if you were playing a game tomorrow , independent of scheme and weapons around them - you'd probably take Rodgers. 

I would take Brees.

Nov 14, 2018 16:33:33 GMT KING KID said:

Nov 14, 2018 15:59:01 GMT UT said:

And yet if you were playing a game tomorrow , independent of scheme and weapons around them - you'd probably take Rodgers. 

I would take Brees.

Nobody asked you asshat.

I’d take Brees too

I will admit I was surprised to see Rodger number one. If we are using this season as criteria, it’s hard not to have Mahomes and Brees as 1 & 2 in some order because they are having the best seasons so far. If the two keep playing at this level for the remainder of the season the MVP award will be interesting. If the criteria is something other than just this season then I get the somewhat surprising rankings although I wouldn’t agree with Fitz ranking in that case.

Nov 14, 2018 16:57:31 GMT @theshow said:

I’d take Brees too

I would expect you to. Plus I enjoy actually talking football with you.

Nov 14, 2018 4:55:47 GMT @admin said:

Nov 14, 2018 4:44:10 GMT UT said:

Don't you be rolling your eyes at our resident NFL scout! 

I thought this shit went away with the old site? I really believed that you guys wanted me back here and all too but it's the same petty shit still going on and being allowed. This forum barely has anybody posting why the hell are people getting told off for a mere disagreement or why is it even being allowed?

Nov 14, 2018 17:16:48 GMT Blindy said:

Nov 14, 2018 4:55:47 GMT @admin said:

Don't you be rolling your eyes at our resident NFL scout! 

I thought this shit went away with the old site? I really believed that you guys wanted me back here and all too but it's the same petty shit still going on and being allowed. This forum barely has anybody posting why the hell are people getting told off for a mere disagreement or why is it even being allowed?

UT on his period.

Nov 14, 2018 16:33:33 GMT KING KID said:

Nov 14, 2018 15:59:01 GMT UT said:

I would take Brees.

Nov 14, 2018 17:16:48 GMT Blindy said:

Nov 14, 2018 4:55:47 GMT @admin said:

Don't you be rolling your eyes at our resident NFL scout! 

I thought this shit went away with the old site? I really believed that you guys wanted me back here and all too but it's the same petty shit still going on and being allowed. This forum barely has anybody posting why the hell are people getting told off for a mere disagreement or why is it even being allowed?

A mere disagreement I don't care about , everyone has disagreed with me. LT , Todd , HR , Show and etc... I actually enjoy all their insights though when provided. Even you Blindy - as much as we disagree and I laugh at some of the inane shit you say - I do enjoy having you around.  

Kid on the other hand provides no insight and is essentially a fucking troll who adds nothing of real value to any football discussion he is a part of. He has no original thought and is a pathetic caricature at this point - and I will forever respond in nothing but contempt. Sorry that I'm not sorry but I'm over pretending that there isn't a reason why the little pissant wasn't banned 3000 times for pulling the same shit and he's just more clever about pulling off the ruse these days.  

Nov 14, 2018 17:29:22 GMT thereallt said:

Nov 14, 2018 16:33:33 GMT KING KID said:

I would take Brees.

I would really like to hear from about anyone at exactly what Brees is better at , playing quarterback than Rodgers? I love and respect the hell out of Brees and the guy is one of the greatest ever but I struggle to really determine what he can do that Rodgers can't. 

And if anyone thinks that scheme doesn't matter , I don't know what to tell you. There is a big difference in throwing to receivers and backs schemed to get wide open as opposed to having to make the perfect throw every time in order to have a chance. Anyone who's ever watched a Packers game knows the Packers scheme is outdated and completely whack. 

UT, watch your mouth little boy. Your little persona change makes me wonder if you started having your wife shoot needles of steroids in your ass cheeks. Bipolar psychopath.

You sit here saying you can’t talk sports with me, but it’s because I fucking abuse you in every argument we have. I beat you every time and I prove you wrong every time. You keep ignoring our 2/3 bet where once again I’m proving you wrong just like I always do. Your list sucks, because you think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB this season. It’s non factual and looks like it’s put together by a 15 year old fan boy.

Nov 14, 2018 18:44:41 GMT KING KID said:

UT, watch your mouth little boy. Your little persona change makes me wonder if you started having your wife shoot needles of steroids in your ass cheeks. Bipolar psychopath.

You sit here saying you can’t talk sports with me, but it’s because I fucking abuse you in every argument we have. I beat you every time and I prove you wrong every time. You keep ignoring our 2/3 bet where once again I’m proving you wrong just like I always do. Your list sucks, because you think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB this season. It’s non factual and looks like it’s put together by a 15 year old fan boy.

Yeah just like your New York teams being great this year when they are both the drizzling shits you fucking knob. Of course you don’t bring up those predictions right? I’m more than willing to admit when I’m wrong but the fact you even bring that up while neglecting the very conversation the bet came from proves you’re a fucking blowhard fraud. At least the Eagles and Packers are in the race - where are the Jets and Giants right now? Nowhere because they are fucking terrible.

So I won’t watch my mouth , boy. Ill say what I please and it will continue to be in the same vein.

Also it’s not a persona change , it’s I’m done just listening to Kids bullshit and passing it off. That simple. You don’t like it then ignore my posts , because I’m going to respond the same way everytime.

The New York Giants are going to win out, but that’s for another time. The Jets unfortunately have a shit HC and whatever.

But I’m not putting together a list of QBs and putting Eli and Darnold at the top like a 14 year old. Shit, when I put my season prediction list together, I didn’t have roid rage and tell everyone who disagreed to “fuck off”. And that was preseason where there was possibilities. It’s Week 10 now. Know your role.

Grow up and you can be “vein”, just keep the needle out of it.

Nov 14, 2018 18:56:32 GMT UT said:

Also it’s not a persona change , it’s I’m done just listening to Kids bullshit and passing it off. That simple. You don’t like it then ignore my posts , because I’m going to respond the same way everytime.

Why are you done though? Is it psychological? Is it drugs? Am I in your head? Do you want to be my fan but don’t know how to ask me if it’s okay? What the fucks gotten into you?

Nov 14, 2018 19:00:06 GMT KING KID said:

The New York Giants are going to win out, but that’s for another time. The Jets unfortunately have a shit HC and whatever.

But I’m not putting together a list of QBs and putting Eli and Darnold at the top like a 14 year old. Shit, when I put my season prediction list together, I didn’t have roid rage and tell everyone who disagreed to “fuck off”. And that was preseason where there was possibilities. It’s Week 10 now. Know your role.

Grow up and you can be “vein”, just keep the needle out of it.

And when they don't you'll never say anything about this stupid ass prediction again. It's all good fun making retarded predictions but bragging about the 1% that you actually get right while acting like the rest never happened makes you a blowhard and a douchebag. 

And I didn't tell everyone who disagreed to fuck off you moron. I told YOU to fuck off , because that's the amount of respect you deserve. 

This list seems really odd. I don't want to belabor the point, but it seems like there's no discernible way used to evaluate. Some of the guys are there because of past success or natural talent (Rodgers), while others are ranked based on current performance (Goff, Mahomes), and some are measure based on how "fun" they are to watch.

All I can add is that I disagree with a lot, but this is the most subjective of any list to-date IMO.

Nov 14, 2018 17:57:31 GMT UT said:

Nov 14, 2018 17:29:22 GMT thereallt said:

I would really like to hear from about anyone at exactly what Brees is better at , playing quarterback than Rodgers? I love and respect the hell out of Brees and the guy is one of the greatest ever but I struggle to really determine what he can do that Rodgers can't. 

And if anyone thinks that scheme doesn't matter , I don't know what to tell you. There is a big difference in throwing to receivers and backs schemed to get wide open as opposed to having to make the perfect throw every time in order to have a chance. Anyone who's ever watched a Packers game knows the Packers scheme is outdated and completely whack. 

Because Brees is playing better football than Rodgers is right now.   Plain and simple. 

And if we're going career vs. career Brees is the NFL's all-time leading passer  and is 2nd in TD passes with a career completion of 67%  The only thing Rodgers has on him for his career is passer rating.   They both have one ring, so that doesn't give either one the edge.    And in terms of having sorry teams, Brees has dealt with that FAR more than Rodgers has for his career.    Finally I just cannot overlook the fact Rodgers lost a playoff game where his defense forced six turnovers.   I just don't see that happening to Brees.

So with their careers being pretty much a wash, I gotta go with the guy who is playing better right now.

Nov 14, 2018 15:44:31 GMT shinobimusashi said:

I watched a little bit of the Bucs this year but wasn't really impressed with Fitzpatrick, he's won 2 games and is ranked over guys who have more passing yards, more wins, and fewer interceptions. I have an issue with him being ranked over Watson who has won games playing behind bottom 5 o-line winning with broken chest/punctured lung with more passing yards fewer interceptions and more game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks than Fitzpatrick. He's an interception throwing machine and I predict his stats fall off sharply once he gets some games now that we're in the thick of the season where shit gets real, he shined early on in the first part of the year that is like an extension of pre-season ever since they limited practice in the 2011 CBA.

Wins are not a QB stat (he's playing with an all-time terrible defence) and he is not ranked above anyone on YPG (he's 4th in the league).

Nov 14, 2018 20:57:52 GMT thereallt said:

Nov 14, 2018 17:57:31 GMT UT said:

I would really like to hear from about anyone at exactly what Brees is better at , playing quarterback than Rodgers? I love and respect the hell out of Brees and the guy is one of the greatest ever but I struggle to really determine what he can do that Rodgers can't. 

And if anyone thinks that scheme doesn't matter , I don't know what to tell you. There is a big difference in throwing to receivers and backs schemed to get wide open as opposed to having to make the perfect throw every time in order to have a chance. Anyone who's ever watched a Packers game knows the Packers scheme is outdated and completely whack. 

Because Brees is playing better football than Rodgers is right now.   Plain and simple. 

And if we're going career vs. career Brees is the NFL's all-time leading passer  and is 2nd in TD passes with a career completion of 67%  The only thing Rodgers has on him for his career is passer rating.   They both have one ring, so that doesn't give either one the edge.    And in terms of having sorry teams, Brees has dealt with that FAR more than Rodgers has for his career.    Finally I just cannot overlook the fact Rodgers lost a playoff game where his defense forced six turnovers.   I just don't see that happening to Brees.

So with their careers being pretty much a wash, I gotta go with the guy who is playing better right now.

Again though I don't really see how he's playing better , Brees has always put up the more gaudy statistics. And the whole All Time leading passer thing is just a silly argument to make all things considered. Blake Bortles has more passing yards than Patrick Mahomes - that is a totally irrelevant stat to the actual conversation at hand. 

And I don't know about this whole sorry teams argument. They've both had their share of great weapons and both have had shitty defenses. 

And Brees also has had the luxury of playing with one of the best offensive minds in football. Payton is a different maker and you can watch the Saints and see how many times he gets a wide open look , and especially backs out of the backfield. And then you watch the Packers play and look at their prehistoric scheme that solely relies on Rodgers making the perfect throw like 90% of the time. McCarthy rarely if ever schemes for anyone to get open - he runs his offense on the premise that guys are going out there simply to beat their man one on one. Or on precisision backshoulder throws. It's apples and oranges. 

Again though I don't really see how he's playing better

I don't see how he's not. Brees is beating him in completion %, TD to Int ratio, TD passes, QB rating, QBR, and yards per attempt. The Saints are 8-1 compared to 4-4-1 for the Packers, and Brees has done it with a defense that has given up more yards and more points than the Packers defense.


I just don't see the case for Rodgers at all, at least not this season. So far your only argument seems to be "Because he's Aaron Rodgers!!!"

Nov 16, 2018 0:03:03 GMT thereallt said:

Again though I don't really see how he's playing better

I don't see how he's not. Brees is beating him in completion %, TD to Int ratio, TD passes, QB rating, QBR, and yards per attempt. The Saints are 8-1 compared to 4-4-1 for the Packers, and Brees has done it with a defense that has given up more yards and more points than the Packers defense.


I just don't see the case for Rodgers at all, at least not this season. So far your only argument seems to be "Because he's Aaron Rodgers!!!"

Again it's also going forward , and the TD to INT ratio is kind of silly considering they both have one interception. Clearly just saying TD passes would do. I'm not saying Brees isn't having a lights out season either - he's one of two MVP candidates and is absolutely on fire. I just don't think that he's a better quarterback - especially if you're talking about who'd you would rather have going forward than Rodgers. He isn't more accurate , he doesn't have a better arm , he's less mobile , they both are masters at reading defense pre and post snap. 

It's why I said independent of scheme at the onset , because if you really think scheme doesn't play a gigantic factor in the difference in stats between these two then I don't know what to say. Rodgers is hamstrung by McCarthy and his scheme , it's been no secret for years and one of the biggest criticisms of the Packers offense is that they rely TOO MUCH on Rodgers making the absolute perfect throw. Rarely does he get the advantage of receivers running open , backs out of the backfield with no one within 10 yards of them running up the sideline , and plays specifically designed to get the ball into space to his best playmakers. Payton (and Reid) in Kansas City are masters of that - yes the quarterbacks still have to be great to execute it to the extent of a Brees or Mahomes but it also means their stats are going to look better in the process , because they get more gimme's then a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL ... especially Rodgers. 

If Rodgers receivers aren't beating press man and they double Davante - the Packers offense is fucked because McCarthy won't do anything. Payton has his bag of tricks , he will scheme to get other guys open and that is a big asset to have as a quarterback. The only thing that gets Rodgers out of those type of jams is his ability to scramble and guys coming back to the ball and extending the play ... rarely is it design. 

So no my only argument has never been "because he's Aaron Rodgers" .. not in the least. 

Brees has been more accurate than Rodgers this season. I can't find a more recent mark than post-Week 9 but PFF had Brees #1 in the league on their accuracy percentage at 67.4% while Rodgers was way down at #29 with 51.4% due to struggles whilst under pressure.

Nov 16, 2018 0:29:33 GMT @admin said:

Brees has been more accurate than Rodgers this season. I can't find a more recent mark than post-Week 9 but PFF had Brees #1 in the league on their accuracy percentage at 67.4% while Rodgers was way down at #29 with 51.4% due to struggles whilst under pressure.

Yeah and he’s throwing the ball away at an all time rate. They gave the stat to that against the Dolphins but it certainly plays a factor as well.

Do they have pressure % to compare the two? I should really look into that but I get annoyed at finding the specific stats I’m looking for on PFF.

Nov 16, 2018 0:35:21 GMT UT said:

Nov 16, 2018 0:29:33 GMT @admin said:

Brees has been more accurate than Rodgers this season. I can't find a more recent mark than post-Week 9 but PFF had Brees #1 in the league on their accuracy percentage at 67.4% while Rodgers was way down at #29 with 51.4% due to struggles whilst under pressure.

Yeah and he’s throwing the ball away at an all time rate. They gave the stat to that against the Dolphins but it certainly plays a factor as well.

Do they have pressure % to compare the two? I should really look into that but I get annoyed at finding the specific stats I’m looking for on PFF.

They don't count throwaways as a negative in their accuracy percentage. But it is interesting that he's doing it so often.

I'll poke around and see if I can find pressure info - but I know what you mean about it being difficult to find stuff on their site these days. Perhaps we should all chip in a few bucks and get a premium sub for the forum!

Let’s also throw in the fact that Aaron Rodgers is a healthy 2 inches taller then Drew Brees!

I still feel like this debate is ability vs. performance, which is very, very different.

Anyone who objectively looks at 2019 and says Rodgers is outplaying Brees is out of their mind.

Nov 16, 2018 0:52:39 GMT KJ said:

I still feel like this debate is ability vs. performance, which is very, very different.

Anyone who objectively looks at 2019 and says Rodgers is outplaying Brees is out of their mind.

Who said he’s outplaying Brees this year. I already said Brees is one of two MVP candidates.

Nov 16, 2018 0:52:00 GMT KING KID said:

Let’s also throw in the fact that Aaron Rodgers is a healthy 2 inches taller then Drew Brees!

Kid showing his actual football IQ again. Would you just fucking go away already as you continue to add absolutely nothing to the discussion.