I guess. Cody tried to get around it by saying the quality of wins and losses matter. This does well to explain why it's not MJF but in kayfabe Pac would have a great case for feeling robbed.

You could argue that one of PAC's wins has less value because of the low blow he used on Page.

It's shaky logic for sure, but I at least appreciate the effort put into justifying it

Oct 7, 2019 20:37:29 GMT @nighty said:

You could argue that one of PAC's wins has less value because of the low blow he used on Page.

It's shaky logic for sure, but I at least appreciate the effort put into justifying it

You could, I don't necessarily like it though because cheating should make heels look smart, and if it affects their title chances it makes them look stupid.

You're right though, at least they're trying.

Oct 6, 2019 21:35:12 GMT Emperor said:

OK. This MJF guy. He's good. He's very good.

Whoa. He's really good. He's Brock Lesnar on the mic.

Oct 7, 2019 20:40:46 GMT Todd said:

Oct 7, 2019 20:37:29 GMT @nighty said:

You could argue that one of PAC's wins has less value because of the low blow he used on Page.

It's shaky logic for sure, but I at least appreciate the effort put into justifying it

You could, I don't necessarily like it though because cheating should make heels look smart, and if it affects their title chances it makes them look stupid.

You're right though, at least they're trying.

PAC beat two people coming off big losses, so that could be a way to explain it. I don’t know.

I been working my way through the first AEW Dynamite and I like it, not feeling super invested because I don't know a huge number of the wrestler.
Though Cody looks like he was born to headline a franchise like this, he really had a presence.
My only real criticism is that half the roster thinks they're CM Punk when they're on the mic but don't have the charisma.. They talk too long...
It was a really fun atmosphere, love the time limit on the match and the attempt to make the rankings and matches mean something.
Pac vs. Hangman Page was amazing!

Jericho looks like a washed up wino at a casting call for the Wrestler 2.

get your AEW on tonight on AXS tv its Lucha Bros vs Santana and Ortiz in Full Metal Mayhem from Rebellion 2019 tonight on ASX tv

So uuhhh Kenny Omega just beat Fenix for the AAA Mega Championship.

Oct 20, 2019 5:38:31 GMT RT said:

So uuhhh Kenny Omega just beat Fenix for the AAA Mega Championship.

Is that a bad thing?

Omega as the Mega Champion sounds like the most fitting thing in pro wrestling.

Oct 20, 2019 14:07:59 GMT 🤯 said:

Oct 20, 2019 5:38:31 GMT RT said:

So uuhhh Kenny Omega just beat Fenix for the AAA Mega Championship.

Is that a bad thing?

Omega as the Mega Champion sounds like the most fitting thing in pro wrestling.

Nope not bad at all. Pretty surprising actually. Also he turned heel after the win, refusing to shake Fenix hand and disrespecting him. Kenny went full Cleaner.

Really hope this carries over to AEW. Kenny finally getting a big win after leaving NJPW and turning into his old dickhead self would be awesome for AEW, especially because he’s in the middle of a feud with PAC and Mox, the former also being a huge dickhead and Mox being a tweener that leans babyface and just wants to fuck everyone up.

I would love for Kenny to turn heel for a while starting now in hopes of turning into a mega babyface in the future.

Oct 20, 2019 16:41:45 GMT Ed said:

I would love for Kenny to turn heel for a while starting now in hopes of turning into a mega babyface in the future.

Same here. Kenny’s arc in NJPW from joining Bullet Club as The Cleaner to winning the IWGP Heavyweight title was one of the best stories ever told in a ring.

If AEW does something similar I’d be on board.

Oct 20, 2019 16:51:58 GMT RT said:

Oct 20, 2019 16:41:45 GMT Ed said:

I would love for Kenny to turn heel for a while starting now in hopes of turning into a mega babyface in the future.

Same here. Kenny’s arc in NJPW from joining Bullet Club as The Cleaner to winning the IWGP Heavyweight title was one of the best stories ever told in a ring.

If AEW does something similar I’d be on board.

The only reservation I have about turning Kenny heel now is MJF. We know MJF will turn on Cody. In that instance, the roster would be a bit heavy on the heel side.

Oct 20, 2019 17:46:00 GMT Ed said:

Oct 20, 2019 16:51:58 GMT RT said:

Same here. Kenny’s arc in NJPW from joining Bullet Club as The Cleaner to winning the IWGP Heavyweight title was one of the best stories ever told in a ring.

If AEW does something similar I’d be on board.

The only reservation I have about turning Kenny heel now is MJF. We know MJF will turn on Cody. In that instance, the roster would be a bit heavy on the heel side.

I have a feeling that MJF is going to be a sloooowwww burn. I think they’re leaning in to MJF being a heel that just respects Cody too much to turn on him.

At least I really hope they do that. They should save that turn for well down the road.

Oct 20, 2019 18:01:24 GMT RT said:

Oct 20, 2019 17:46:00 GMT Ed said:

The only reservation I have about turning Kenny heel now is MJF. We know MJF will turn on Cody. In that instance, the roster would be a bit heavy on the heel side.

I have a feeling that MJF is going to be a sloooowwww burn. I think they’re leaning in to MJF being a heel that just respects Cody too much to turn on him.

At least I really hope they do that. They should save that turn for well down the road.

Dude. You know he’s costing Cody the title.

Oct 20, 2019 18:26:39 GMT KJ said:

Oct 20, 2019 18:01:24 GMT RT said:

I have a feeling that MJF is going to be a sloooowwww burn. I think they’re leaning in to MJF being a heel that just respects Cody too much to turn on him.

At least I really hope they do that. They should save that turn for well down the road.

Dude. You know he’s costing Cody the title.

I really hope it isn’t that predictable. I like Cody and MJF as a partnership and I hope they get as much mileage out of it as they can.

I too really hope it isn't that predictable. This storyline has real potential. MJF turning on Cody at some point is heel #101. "Haha, gotcha bro, never saw it coming, had you all fooled!" We've seen it a million times.

How about this for a revolutionary concept - MJF is a bit of a douche on the surface, but maybe he's actually a good person inside, and loyal to his close friends. Funny thing is, that is pretty revolutionary for pro-wrestling. Certainly if we're using WWE as our main reference point, where tag teams and friendships universally end in betrayal after a few years, if not a few months.

My only real complaint is all the false finishes. They are hitting a lot of big move that should finish the match. Yet everyone finds away to kick out. If they are going to do it save it for the ppv. Seeing it on tv every week is starting to get old.

I don't see the records lasting long. Keeping up with the wins and losses and making them mean something seems like a lot to keep up with.

I'm calling my shot - someone will call The Inner Circle a bunch of jerks. One big circle jerk. The fans start chanting circle jerk.

Oct 20, 2019 19:25:34 GMT Emperor said:

I too really hope it isn't that predictable. This storyline has real potential. MJF turning on Cody at some point is heel #101. "Haha, gotcha bro, never saw it coming, had you all fooled!" We've seen it a million times.

How about this for a revolutionary concept - MJF is a bit of a douche on the surface, but maybe he's actually a good person inside, and loyal to his close friends. Funny thing is, that is pretty revolutionary for pro-wrestling. Certainly if we're using WWE as our main reference point, where tag teams and friendships universally end in betrayal after a few years, if not a few months.

This is one of my biggest complaints about the WWE too. They use the tag division as a way to lazily build feuds. And it’s always predictable and boring and the division suffers because of it. You either have a tag team people like that you know is going to fall apart as they try to one up each other, or you have a thrown together team (“THE UNLIKELY DUO OF [BLANK]”) that wins the titles right away then uses them as a reason to fight.

It’s a big reason I like The New Day so much. It’s amazing that they’re still a thing.

I’d hate for AEW to just do the same thing. I know Cody and MJF aren’t a tag team but they’re partners and I really want this to have some substance and story. Don’t take the easy way out to have Cody and MJF feud. They have something special here and they should run with it.

So ... how does PW feel about the Marko Stunt controversy?

And laddering up a level, how do you feel about the “wrestling is for everyone” mindset?

On one hand, it's another element that contradicts AEW's 'sports' presentation to have such a gimmick on the show and he's not really a strong performer as far as I can tell.

On the other, there are so many other elements of the show that he hardly stands out. So far, he's been booked to his abilities and he's young so he appeals towards that post-Millenial generation. I think AEW is making a concerted effort to market towards young people and I don't mind if they throw in somebody like Stunt into the mix.

To Stunt's credit, he takes some amazing bumps. One of my favourite moments of the Casino Royal was him flossing in the middle only for MJF to come from behind and make him eat shit.

I don't have an issue with Cornette having a dissenting opinion. We both came up during different eras. I could understand if I grew up on a diet of 70s style wrestling, I'd be embarrassed by the goofy shit on TV. However, I grew up in the middle of the Monday Night Wars where goofy shit was a part of the game.

Oct 21, 2019 7:14:50 GMT KJ said:

So ... how does PW feel about the Marko Stunt controversy?

I need to know what the controversy is first. Is he 12 years old?

Marko Stunt is 23 years old. The "controversy" is that he is short, oh the humanity...

I don't know that it's so much his height as his general appearance. He does look like a child.

I actually don't have as much of an issue with Stunt as I do some of the stuff they do. He's small and quick and all his offense his based on his speed and his elusiveness so I can buy it. I've seen far worse in wrestling. The broader question is will AEW get over to a large audience with some of this convention-challenging stuff they're doing. We'll see.

The controversy is so stupid. Who even started it? Was it some old fuck on twitter that thinks wrestling should still be like it was in 1993?

I'm just going to reiterate what I said in the party thread and you can all come at me.

Oct 19, 2019 21:02:27 GMT Emperor said:

Another thing I dislike is guys and gals who are clearly undersized, but booked on the same level as much bigger wrestlers. I'm not talking about Riho here. Even though I can't buy 99% of her offense, at least she knows how to work her matches as a seriously undersized competitor. She generally wins by outwitting/outspeeding her opponents, not through brute strength and unlimited toughness.

If not Riho, then who am I talking about? I'm talking about Marco Stunt, who looks like a kid (is he actually a kid?) yet kicks out of Pentagon's sick cradle piledriver thing, survives a ton more of Lucha Bros offense, and is still fighting in the closing stretch. I'd expect Kenny Omega to be able to take that kind of punishment, not a wrestler with a similar stature to the 9 year old girl Omega wrestled in DDT many years ago.

I'm also talking about Darby Allen, although he is much less offensive than Marco Stunt. For the first 75% of the match they did a great job of telling the story that Allen is super fast and unpredictable, making it difficult for Jericho to stay on top, but also that Jericho was clearly the more powerful, wiser, and all around better wrestler. Then Jericho got the tape out and Allen busted out as much offense with no arms than he did the rest of the match. They took the story to a farcical extreme. I was literally laughing at Allen flying around with no arms. Not good. It's almost as silly as Zach Gowen being able to get offense on guys like Brock Lesnar. Almost. But that kind of thing pops modern wrestling crowds, I guess. For me it kills the realism and any attempt AEW is making to be credible. Not to mention the fact that undefeated AEW Champion Chris Jericho needs help to beat a midcarder with his arms tied behind his back. I know that heels gotta cheat, kid, but this wasn't the right time. Have Jericho cheat to beat top babyface Cody, sure, fantastic. This should have been a match to establish how Jericho is one of the best in the company, being able to dispatch of a lower-ranked challenger with relative ease. I didn't get that impression, him having to beat Darby Allen the way he did.

Marko Stunt was debuting so I can forgive him surviving some punishment because he has to get over with the crowd. Maybe putting him against Lucha Bros in his first match was a bad idea, considering how lethal they’re supposed to be, but I never had a problem with the match. It seemed fine.

I’m with you on Jericho/Allin though. That was a poorly booked match. There should have been no interference then after Jericho wins THEN Hager shows up and they beat the hell out of Allin there.

Cheating to win is such cheap heat and crowds don’t seem to care about it anymore because it’s so expected. I think they would have got the same reaction or more if Jericho just won the match with a quick Judas Effect out of nowhere and then The Inner Circle beat up defenceless babyface Darby while Jericho just holds up the title for all to see.

I would have let Allin hit all his high spots, then Jericho KO him with a Judas Effect from nowhere then spend the next 5 minutes berating the ‘ dirty spot monkeys ‘ of AEW while Hager eats Allin alive.

Is basically the controversy.



Is him elaborating on his point.

I don't consider him a child because he old enough. But look wise he does look very small, childlike, and no muscle mass. The Lucha Bros are a big name tag team in the indy scene that match should have been a squash.

Rey is usually brought up as argument which makes since because a lot of small wrestlers look up to him. And say if he can do it maybe I can as well. But Rey has/had a lot of muscle definition.