Yeah, but I would much rather have the Saints have lost because Brees wasn’t on point. Let that be the deciding factor. Not a missed call.

If the refs missed a call in the AFC game, the Chiefs would be in the Super Bowl right now and Gronk would be forced into retirement.

Jan 21, 2019 22:26:16 GMT KING KID said:

Yeah, but I would much rather have the Saints have lost because Brees wasn’t on point. Let that be the deciding factor. Not a missed call.

If the refs missed a call in the AFC game, the Chiefs would be in the Super Bowl right now and Gronk would be forced into retirement.

Brees could have taken the ball in OT and gone down the field like Brady to win, but instead he threw an interception.

Jan 21, 2019 22:45:30 GMT @admin said:

Jan 21, 2019 22:26:16 GMT KING KID said:

Yeah, but I would much rather have the Saints have lost because Brees wasn’t on point. Let that be the deciding factor. Not a missed call.

If the refs missed a call in the AFC game, the Chiefs would be in the Super Bowl right now and Gronk would be forced into retirement.

Brees could have taken the ball in OT and gone down the field like Brady to win, but instead he threw an interception.

That parts true , though it almost looked as if Thomas quit on the route and went for the PI call. At the same time though , even after everything - the Saints controlled their own destiny with their strength on the field.

Still should have ran more time off the clock instead of two passes.

The Chiefs didn’t ever get that satisfaction.

Jan 21, 2019 22:10:16 GMT UT said:

Suh can fuck off forever and is one of the most unlikable players I can remember , especially from an on the field standpoint. Not sure why the rest of them are unlikable though.

On the field is really the only reason to dislike him.  Off the field Suh has been a model citizen.   

The rest on the other hand have been all had trouble with the law.

Marcus Peters hasn't been in trouble with the law?

Jan 21, 2019 23:00:01 GMT UT said:

Jan 21, 2019 22:45:30 GMT @admin said:

Brees could have taken the ball in OT and gone down the field like Brady to win, but instead he threw an interception.

That parts true , though it almost looked as if Thomas quit on the route and went for the PI call. At the same time though , even after everything - the Saints controlled their own destiny with their strength on the field.

Still should have ran more time off the clock instead of two passes.

The Chiefs didn’t ever get that satisfaction.

I went back and watched it again and Thomas was open for a brief moment but Brees held the ball too long/hadn't seen him yet, Thomas then turned around to go further up the field and then didn't know where the ball was when it was in the air and then played for the PI. The O-line was also pretty culpable in the clutch as Ramzcyzk got beaten by Fowler, leading to the pressure on Brees, and they also allowed Ingram to get blown up in the backfield on the previous play.

I still remember Marcus Peters griped about a call vs the Jets last year and left the team in the fourth quarter and gave up on the team after throwing the flag in the stands I think. Thought he was a prima Donna and knew he'd be off the Chiefs after. Real jerk.

PEDelman is a cheat Kid and I think he had a domestic abuse arrest years ago. He's as bad if not worse than Suh.

Brady, McDaniels and Belicheat also played vital roles in spygate and none of them spoke up about it until getting caught by Mangini.

Rams are the FAR MORE likable team and I will GLADLY root for them.

Marcus Peters has been pushed off of two teams, but no legal issues.

Despite what happened near the end of the game last night, I will gladly take the side of the Rams over the Pats.

Man that roughing the passer call was one of the most horseshit penalties I've ever seen. And the non call in the Saints game was equally bad. I just can't imagine for the Texans losing a conference title game like that, I just don't know how I'd take it.

But the roughing the passer call is so fucking ironic, back in ancient history in 1976 the Patriots had a bad ass team that year and they were screwed royally by the same call in the playoff game against the Raiders, it was complete horseshit call especially for that time when it was ok to clobber the fuck out of a QB. To me I got to take the conspiracy route on calls like these the NFL is worked. All through history just too many suspicious calls.

And it is remarkable how many hopes and dreams Tom Brady has smashed through his career, how much utter heartbreak he has caused over the last 18 years is unbelievable.

The RTP was definitely not close to the same level as the PI. It was on second down with over six minutes left in the game. And again, it was called correctly considering the rule, when the PI clearly wasn't.

The more equivalent one in terms of game ending significance in the Pats game was the Chris Jones offside.

Jan 22, 2019 3:37:20 GMT @admin said:

The RTP was definitely not close to the same level as the PI. It was on second down with over six minutes left in the game. And again, it was called correctly considering the rule, when the PI clearly wasn't.

The more equivalent one in terms of game ending significance in the Pats game was the Chris Jones offside.

Dee Ford.

And the NFL rulebook uses forcibly in describing a hit to the head or face mask. Chris Jones did not hit any part of the head or mask forcibly, which the ref would have known had he been in a position to make an accurate call, instead he made a guess based on being in the wrong place to see the call.

Dee Ford is a good player and all but I'm curious as to how much you hate/blame him today mikec? That play drove me crazy in the moment and still does at it literally cost his team a chance at the Super Bowl. Mistakes happen but you learn how to properly line up in Pee Wee football and it's not like he was even close to being on the right side of the LOS. Just a mistake you cannot make in that situation.

I liken it to the Bostick play on the Seattle onsides but Bostick was never a key player and that's far less fundamental. Still though I'd fucking hate Dee Ford forever I think if I were a KC fan. Especially if by some miracle Mahomes doesn't get back to the Super Bowl.

Jan 22, 2019 14:49:23 GMT UT said:

Dee Ford is a good player and all but I'm curious as to how much you hate/blame him today mikec ? That play drove me crazy in the moment and still does at it literally cost his team a chance at the Super Bowl. Mistakes happen but you learn how to properly line up in Pee Wee football and it's not like he was even close to being on the right side of the LOS. Just a mistake you cannot make in that situation.

I liken it to the Bostick play on the Seattle onsides but Bostick was never a key player and that's far less fundamental. Still though I'd fucking hate Dee Ford forever I think if I were a KC fan. Especially if by some miracle Mahomes doesn't get back to the Super Bowl.

Even worse, Ford tried to make excuses for it "I have to see the ball!!!"   That's all well and good but you still have to follow the rules and line up on the correct side of the neutral zone numb nuts.

He really said that? What an absolute tool.

He wasn't even close to being onsides. You know better than that at the age of 10.

I would still take Dee Ford on the Jets and I think he will get rewarded a handsome deal this FA by someone despite only shining this year but brain farts happen. Sucks to decide a game like that but the fatigue of constant Patriot conversion versus fast tempo offense and the bitter cold weather can effect concentration. Not to excuse Ford by any means.

Jan 22, 2019 15:03:30 GMT Blindy said:

I would still take Dee Ford on the Jets and I think he will get rewarded a handsome deal this FA by someone despite only shining this year but brain farts happen. Sucks to decide a game like that but the fatigue of constant Patriot conversion versus fast tempo offense and the bitter cold weather can effect concentration. Not to excuse Ford by any means.

I would understand that argument if Brady drew him offsides or something , even if he got anxious and jumped - he literally just lined up offsides though. I mean people lambast field goal kickers but at least there is a degree of difficulty in making a kick - I could tell your average 8 year old never to line up on THAT side of the line and he would probably get it... 

Jan 22, 2019 14:55:52 GMT thereallt said:

Jan 22, 2019 14:49:23 GMT UT said:

Dee Ford is a good player and all but I'm curious as to how much you hate/blame him today mikec ? That play drove me crazy in the moment and still does at it literally cost his team a chance at the Super Bowl. Mistakes happen but you learn how to properly line up in Pee Wee football and it's not like he was even close to being on the right side of the LOS. Just a mistake you cannot make in that situation.

I liken it to the Bostick play on the Seattle onsides but Bostick was never a key player and that's far less fundamental. Still though I'd fucking hate Dee Ford forever I think if I were a KC fan. Especially if by some miracle Mahomes doesn't get back to the Super Bowl.

Even worse, Ford tried to make excuses for it "I have to see the ball!!!"   That's all well and good but you still have to follow the rules and line up on the correct side of the neutral zone numb nuts.

He wasn’t making excuses. He was taking the blame when Andy Reid tried to make an excuse for him saying that typically in a big game a ref would earn a player they’re lined up offsides. When told that Dee Ford said something to the effect of “Nah, I can’t expect the ref to bail me out. I gotta see the ball to be in the right spot.”

I am not particularly mad at Dee Ford. While I get that the one play was pretty important, if the offense had shown up in the first half they would have been fine but I’m not mad at Mahomes. With the Chiefs history, my heart is calloused over so I am already (mostly) over it.

Congrats Mike with Prevent D Bob Sutton getting fired. And if you guys hire Rex Ryan, Chiefs are making the super bowl next year I think.

Jan 22, 2019 21:03:56 GMT Blindy said:

Congrats Mike with Prevent D Bob Sutton getting fired. And if you guys hire Rex Ryan, Chiefs are making the super bowl next year I think.

One of the most deserved firings of the year.   

Jan 22, 2019 21:03:56 GMT Blindy said:

Congrats Mike with Prevent D Bob Sutton getting fired. And if you guys hire Rex Ryan, Chiefs are making the super bowl next year I think.

Hmm I hadn’t thought of that pairing yet. Makes some sense.

Jan 22, 2019 11:54:28 GMT mikec said:

Jan 22, 2019 3:37:20 GMT @admin said:

The RTP was definitely not close to the same level as the PI. It was on second down with over six minutes left in the game. And again, it was called correctly considering the rule, when the PI clearly wasn't.

The more equivalent one in terms of game ending significance in the Pats game was the Chris Jones offside.

Dee Ford.

And the NFL rulebook uses forcibly in describing a hit to the head or face mask. Chris Jones did not hit any part of the head or mask forcibly, which the ref would have known had he been in a position to make an accurate call, instead he made a guess based on being in the wrong place to see the call.

I'll concede that forcibly is a subjective term - but the contact on Brady's facemask moved his whole helmet so in real time it's more than understandable why the call was made. At this point they should probably just make the rule any contact with the QB's helmet = penalty.

Jan 23, 2019 0:40:48 GMT @admin said:

Jan 22, 2019 11:54:28 GMT mikec said:

Dee Ford.

And the NFL rulebook uses forcibly in describing a hit to the head or face mask. Chris Jones did not hit any part of the head or mask forcibly, which the ref would have known had he been in a position to make an accurate call, instead he made a guess based on being in the wrong place to see the call.

I'll concede that forcibly is a subjective term - but the contact on Brady's facemask moved his whole helmet so in real time it's more than understandable why the call was made. At this point they should probably just make the rule any contact with the QB's helmet = penalty.

Or they should make the rule “if you can’t see the QB’s helmet, don’t call a penalty”. The guy was wildly out of position to make the call he made and made an assumption of a forceful impact that was just not there.

Jan 23, 2019 0:51:04 GMT mikec said:

Jan 23, 2019 0:40:48 GMT @admin said:

I'll concede that forcibly is a subjective term - but the contact on Brady's facemask moved his whole helmet so in real time it's more than understandable why the call was made. At this point they should probably just make the rule any contact with the QB's helmet = penalty.

Or they should make the rule “if you can’t see the QB’s helmet, don’t call a penalty”. The guy was wildly out of position to make the call he made and made an assumption of a forceful impact that was just not there.

Not saying you're wrong here, just curious where you're getting this from? The referee is always in the backfield - not inconceivable he could have seen the helmet move from that position? 

Jan 23, 2019 0:54:25 GMT @admin said:

Jan 23, 2019 0:51:04 GMT mikec said:

Or they should make the rule “if you can’t see the QB’s helmet, don’t call a penalty”. The guy was wildly out of position to make the call he made and made an assumption of a forceful impact that was just not there.

Not saying you're wrong here, just curious where you're getting this from? The referee is always in the backfield - not inconceivable he could have seen the helmet move from that position? 

Well first I’m sticking to it wasn’t forceful so that his helmet moves doesn’t prove forceful impact to the helmet, at which point seeing the helmet move isn’t enough.

Also whichever random ref analyst was on that game called him out for being at a terrible angle to try to see the play, subsequently why a penalty was called when everyone agreed it was unnecessary because the slap didn’t hit the helmet, save a glance off a face mask which wouldn’t, to me or most viewers, qualify as roughing the passer.

Fair enough. I don't think anyone would have said anything if there wasn't a flag thrown which is indicative - all I am saying is that I can understand why it was.

My initial point still stands though in that people obsess over calls in isolation to the detriment of analysis of how the game actually played out. The Chiefs got away with an illegal pick on the play where Watkins took the ball down to the goal line ahead of the go ahead touchdown and given the game time and length of gain I think you can easily argue that was a more decisive play than the RTP.

Jan 23, 2019 1:33:21 GMT @admin said:

Fair enough. I don't think anyone would have said anything if there wasn't a flag thrown which is indicative - all I am saying is that I can understand why it was.

My initial point still stands though in that people obsess over calls in isolation to the detriment of analysis of how the game actually played out. The Chiefs got away with an illegal pick on the play where Watkins took the ball down to the goal line ahead of the go ahead touchdown and given the game time and length of gain I think you can easily argue that was a more decisive play than the RTP.

Oh I don’t obsess over things like this either. I would if I were a Saints fan because the refs missed an outrageously easy call on a play that probably would have ended the game, but the Chiefs don’t really have a bad call like that.

I was really disappointed the Chiefs didn't make it through, I wanted a Chiefs vs Rams Superbowl.
The Chiefs vs Rams game was one of the best I have ever watched.