Kentucky lawmakers voted to prohibit people from getting abortions due to the fetus’ “sex, race, color, national origin, or disability,” such as Down syndrome.

Ok, take away all the rest of the world of abortion. Imagine, someone wanting an abortion just because they knew baby daddy was black and they wanted to end the pregnancy because the baby would be black. Is that cool with you?

These sort of laws are dumb and constructed by people of base intellect. Either it's legal or it's not, when my wife was pregnant our OB made a DNA test available at 10 weeks and was very clear that it was so we could abort the child if the tests showed any issues. We had the tests but would have kept the baby regardless... But it's the world we live in, Australia will have practically no down syndrome children born in the future.

iNCY , I would generally say in America it is taboo to have an abortion due to Down's, illegal in many states. But in Iceland it is the norm and Down's basically doesn't exist.  Are you saying Austrailia is like Iceland?

I just find abortion explicitly for the point of racism as paradoxical.  Like, people get all down for the rights of the individual but if it comes to racism it seems to skate the edge.

It's fine with me. If abortion is legal you shouldn't need a reason to justify it. Only thing I question is if you don't want a black baby... why are you having sex with a black person?

Mar 15, 2019 12:57:30 GMT theend said:

iNCY , I would generally say in America it is taboo to have an abortion due to Down's, illegal in many states. But in Iceland it is the norm and Down's basically doesn't exist.  Are you saying Austrailia is like Iceland?

I just find abortion explicitly for the point of racism as paradoxical.  Like, people get all down for the rights of the individual but if it comes to racism it seems to skate the edge.

I have no data for this, but I would expect its not about whether or not the abortion is taboo, but access to health care. 
Our public system is amazing and the ultrasound equipment and staff is as good as you would find in any private hospital. It's also free completely, which means most women have their scans. 

Incidentally the down syndrome test used to be super complicated, they would take a heap of measurements of the foetus and then used a factor based on the mother's age to calculate the risk. In a young person they take the same reading and say negligible risk, when to an older Mother it would be a high risk. 
I was very stressed about down syndrome because my wife was 39 when we had our last, we didn't have to wait because there is an amazing test now where they take a sample of the mothers blood at 10 weeks, there is enough of the baby's DNA in the mother's blood that they can do a full genetic screen and even tell you the sex of the baby.. I thought it was pretty amazing. 

iNCY, what I was referring to was the fact that in a number of the states in the United States it is illegal or banned to abort strictly on the premiss of the child being downs syndrome

Mar 17, 2019 21:29:27 GMT theend said:

iNCY , what I was referring to was the fact that in a number of the states in the United States it is illegal or banned to abort strictly on the premiss of the child being downs syndrome

That's not something that is taboo then, you are saying it is illegal and I am sure that most people who get a down syndrome diagnosis abort.



It's really hard issue, they had a Down Syndrome conference on the news hear and this quite eloquent young man spoke about his right to exist.
Whether we like it or not, the future is going to be this more and more with gene mapping.

iNCY I read Bonnie Rochman
The Gene Machine: How Genetic Technologies Are Changing the Way We Have Kids--and the Kids We Have and it totally warped my perspective and I totally agree. Gene mapping and the future is going to be compelling.