I was listening to a podcast and it was mentioned that 1 in 10 shootings by police are suicide by cop.  On a gut level this seems high to me.  But it may not be for everyone.  Would there ever be evidence compelling enough for you to question whether or not a shooting you just heard about was suicide by cop?  To push it further, could you become the person who looks at the much reported white cop shoots unarmed person of color and think it may be suicide by cop?

Wait what are we talking about here? Someone wanting to commit suicide so they do something that causes a cop to shoot and kill them on purpose?

Suicide by cop is done because said “victim” would rather die then go back to prison.

Aug 2, 2019 1:55:12 GMT @admin said:

Wait what are we talking about here? Someone wanting to commit suicide so they do something that causes a cop to shoot and kill them on purpose?

Pretty much.

I mostly only recall instances of suicide by cop from movies or television, so no idea how often it happens in real life... But the immediate thought I always have is how much it must suck for that unlucky cop who has to pull the trigger, and how fucking selfish it is of the person forcing the cop to do so.

Aug 2, 2019 11:00:37 GMT 🤯 said:

I mostly only recall instances of suicide by cop from movies or television, so no idea how often it happens in real life... But the immediate thought I always have is how much it must suck for that unlucky cop who has to pull the trigger, and how fucking selfish it is of the person forcing the cop to do so.

I feel that way about people who jump in front of cars, busses and trains too. Obviously they’re not thinking straight to kill themselves, but they’re putting that memory in that drivers life forever and it’s not fair.

Aug 2, 2019 11:17:01 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 2, 2019 11:00:37 GMT 🤯 said:

I mostly only recall instances of suicide by cop from movies or television, so no idea how often it happens in real life... But the immediate thought I always have is how much it must suck for that unlucky cop who has to pull the trigger, and how fucking selfish it is of the person forcing the cop to do so.

I feel that way about people who jump in front of cars, busses and trains too. Obviously they’re not thinking straight to kill themselves, but they’re putting that memory in that drivers life forever and it’s not fair.

Good point!

I feel like this is why euthanasia should be a thing in the States.

If you want an easy and painless way out, you got it... Via medical professional. Only caveat being a little screening beforehand, as maybe just being forced to talk to someone who listens might take enough of the edge off for the moment.

But then again, why are we collectively so concerned with forcing people to continue to live if they don't want to? None of us had a say in coming into existence. We should at least have some say in dictating when our own existence should end.

Just as long as ending it doesn't harm others.

I definitely don't agree with euthanasia and think giving people that luxury is ridiculous. I see what you mean by "screening" them beforehand so it's not an irrational decision of wanting to die BUT mental health should not be treated in that fashion. Mental health could lead people to wanting to kill themselves and I don't think it's fair to allow someone to make that decision for them because of their profession.

Aug 2, 2019 11:32:26 GMT KING KID said:

I definitely don't agree with euthanasia and think giving people that luxury is ridiculous. I see what you mean by "screening" them beforehand so it's not an irrational decision of wanting to die BUT mental health should not be treated in that fashion. Mental health could lead people to wanting to kill themselves and I don't think it's fair to allow someone to make that decision for them because of their profession.

So euthanasia is a no go, but suicide we can still let slide?

I mean, there's no way to totally prevent or outlaw suicide. And it'll always be a part of human nature. So why not create an avenue where it can be done peacefully and medically efficiently?

Aug 2, 2019 12:46:49 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 2, 2019 11:32:26 GMT KING KID said:

I definitely don't agree with euthanasia and think giving people that luxury is ridiculous. I see what you mean by "screening" them beforehand so it's not an irrational decision of wanting to die BUT mental health should not be treated in that fashion. Mental health could lead people to wanting to kill themselves and I don't think it's fair to allow someone to make that decision for them because of their profession.

So euthanasia is a no go, but suicide we can still let slide?

I mean, there's no way to totally prevent or outlaw suicide. And it'll always be a part of human nature. So why not create an avenue where it can be done peacefully and medically efficiently?

Because that's promoting suicide.

I do wonder how accessible the euthanasia procedure would even be. Seems damn near impossible to get a doctor to sterilize you, so I wanna imagine assisted death would be even more of a headache...

I thought vasectomies were easily accessible.

I hear it's borderline impossible to get approved as a woman without kids. "Might change your mind" is probably a similar vibe to asking to die.

Aug 2, 2019 12:49:04 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 2, 2019 12:46:49 GMT 🤯 said:

So euthanasia is a no go, but suicide we can still let slide?

I mean, there's no way to totally prevent or outlaw suicide. And it'll always be a part of human nature. So why not create an avenue where it can be done peacefully and medically efficiently?

Because that's promoting suicide.

How is it promoting suicide?

The Last Cab to Darwin is a great film that deals with Euthanasia, based on a true story. It was legal for a short period of time in the NT.

Must be embarrassing for the people who don’t die but get severely wounded from attempting suicide by cop.

Aug 2, 2019 15:11:10 GMT System said:

The Last Cab to Darwin is a great film that deals with Euthanasia, based on a true story. It was legal for a short period of time in the NT.

Must be embarrassing for the people who don’t die but get severely wounded from attempting suicide by cop.

Wanna do something right ya gotta do it yourself.

Aug 2, 2019 13:57:24 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 2, 2019 12:49:04 GMT KING KID said:

Because that's promoting suicide.

How is it promoting suicide?

By giving people the option/possibility that they can legally take their own life.

A DNR//DNI is one thing; but people who are suicidal being able to go see a doctor to legally do it for them is ridiculously stupid.

Aug 2, 2019 17:17:03 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 2, 2019 13:57:24 GMT 🤯 said:

How is it promoting suicide?

By giving people the option/possibility that they can legally take their own life.

A DNR//DNI is one thing; but people who are suicidal being able to go see a doctor to legally do it for them is ridiculously stupid.

What if I'm terminally ill?

Aug 2, 2019 19:27:53 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 2, 2019 17:17:03 GMT KING KID said:

By giving people the option/possibility that they can legally take their own life.

A DNR//DNI is one thing; but people who are suicidal being able to go see a doctor to legally do it for them is ridiculously stupid.

What if I'm terminally ill?

Still inhumane.

Terminally ill means you're dying soon anyways. It's not a human decision.

Aug 2, 2019 19:55:23 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 2, 2019 19:27:53 GMT 🤯 said:

What if I'm terminally ill?

Still inhumane.

Terminally ill means you're dying soon anyways. It's not a human decision.

So I've just got to suffer through? I get no say in how to handle my exit. Unless I take things into my own hands?

Aug 2, 2019 19:56:32 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 2, 2019 19:55:23 GMT KING KID said:

Still inhumane.

Terminally ill means you're dying soon anyways. It's not a human decision.

So I've just got to suffer through? I get no say in how to handle my exit. Unless I take things into my own hands?

I mean; yeah. WTF?

You really think people should have the right to decide they want to die by lethal injection because they're terminally ill? That's stupid. I don't think you believe it. I think you're fucking with me.

I think I'm on the fence pro-suicide. In regards to euthanasia I think there should be a lengthy screening process to get approval and all, but I also don't think people should be forced to suffer if that's their choice. I hate the idea that so many people only live to shelter others from the pain of losing them.

Aug 2, 2019 20:01:36 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 2, 2019 19:56:32 GMT 🤯 said:

So I've just got to suffer through? I get no say in how to handle my exit. Unless I take things into my own hands?

I mean; yeah. WTF?

You really think people should have the right to decide they want to die by lethal injection because they're terminally ill? That's stupid. I don't think you believe it. I think you're fucking with me.

What!?

Is this some kind of religious belief?

My belief is that no one should have such an intimate controlling say over another person's life in so far as choices pertaining to medical care and end of life.

If you're ill to the point that you'll never recover and living in pain and just want to get it over with, euthanasia should be an option. Bill C-14 was passed here in Canada and I was really glad to hear it did. "Medical assistance in dying," has been legal since last November: www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html

My worst nightmare is dying slow in a crappy hospital, costing my family and fellow taxpayers time and money. Just fucking get on with it.

Aug 2, 2019 21:21:41 GMT RT said:

If you're ill to the point that you'll never recover and living in pain and just want to get it over with, euthanasia should be an option. Bill C-14 was passed here in Canada and I was really glad to hear it did. "Medical assistance in dying," has been legal since last November: www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html

My worst nightmare is dying slow in a crappy hospital, costing my family and fellow taxpayers time and money. Just fucking get on with it.

Sounds like Canada has its priorities straight. Euthanasia and hockey. Not necessarily in that order.

Aug 2, 2019 20:01:36 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 2, 2019 19:56:32 GMT 🤯 said:

So I've just got to suffer through? I get no say in how to handle my exit. Unless I take things into my own hands?

I mean; yeah. WTF?

You really think people should have the right to decide they want to die by lethal injection because they're terminally ill? That's stupid. I don't think you believe it. I think you're fucking with me.

The majority of people I’ve met support Euthanasia.

Hypothetical this or that:

A world where euthanasia is a legal and available option and there are absolutely zero suicides by cop, or a world where we're so squeamish about euthanasia that we've outlawed it and thus suicide by cop continues to be a thing?

Aug 3, 2019 14:16:22 GMT 🤯 said:

Hypothetical this or that:

A world where euthanasia is a legal and available option and there are absolutely zero suicides by cop, or a world where we're so squeamish about euthanasia that we've outlawed it and thus suicide by cop continues to be a thing?

The interesting and touchy thing would be that I believe most of the suicide by cop is done by mentally ill folk and then there is youth who are shooters.  Minor committing assisted suicide is an interesting and squeamish thing.  

FYI- this lead me to make the OP.


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I don't see people who commit suicide caring about the cop or the bus driver they jump in front of... I understand they're all messed up but I grew up and still have real fears about a close family member offing themselves.
To me suicide is the most selfish thing in the world

Aug 3, 2019 16:01:51 GMT iNCY said:

I don't see people who commit suicide caring about the cop or the bus driver they jump in front of... I understand they're all messed up but I grew up and still have real fears about a close family member offing themselves.
To me suicide is the most selfish thing in the world

I am not disagreeing with you bu just pointing out my experience.  As I get older I oddly empathize with the suicidal more.  At 40+ I find it empathy with people that have suffered with depression and suicidal feelings since they were 15.  I kinda get it when they decide to commit suicide at that point. 30 years of having the urge to off yourself.  I get giving in.