Aug 7, 2019 10:44:39 GMT KING KID said:

So we should ignore all the early stage benefits of CBD right? Seizures are just our bodies saying “shake shake shake!” and we should allow it. As for anxiety, we should just let ourselves be anxious or take prescribed meds from doctors that can get you addicted.

I just want to make sure I’m following all the detractors here.

People get addicted to Celexa and Lexapro?

Aug 7, 2019 11:58:32 GMT 🤯 said:

Aug 7, 2019 10:44:39 GMT KING KID said:

So we should ignore all the early stage benefits of CBD right? Seizures are just our bodies saying “shake shake shake!” and we should allow it. As for anxiety, we should just let ourselves be anxious or take prescribed meds from doctors that can get you addicted.

I just want to make sure I’m following all the detractors here.

People get addicted to Celexa and Lexapro?

No, but Xanax and Percocet is. 

Aug 7, 2019 12:29:46 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 7, 2019 11:58:32 GMT 🤯 said:

People get addicted to Celexa and Lexapro?

No, but Xanax and Percocet is. 

I thought Perc was a painkiller?

As is CBD.

Aug 7, 2019 10:44:39 GMT KING KID said:

So we should ignore all the early stage benefits of CBD right? Seizures are just our bodies saying “shake shake shake!” and we should allow it. As for anxiety, we should just let ourselves be anxious or take prescribed meds from doctors that can get you addicted.

I just want to make sure I’m following all the detractors here.

I know more about having seizures than you ever could. 
They're not nice and I have no problem with medication

Just not when it's used  to mask an issue requiring attention. 

Aug 7, 2019 14:20:03 GMT iNCY said:

Aug 7, 2019 10:44:39 GMT KING KID said:

So we should ignore all the early stage benefits of CBD right? Seizures are just our bodies saying “shake shake shake!” and we should allow it. As for anxiety, we should just let ourselves be anxious or take prescribed meds from doctors that can get you addicted.

I just want to make sure I’m following all the detractors here.

I know more about having seizures than you ever could. 
They're not nice and I have no problem with medication

Just not when it's used  to mask an issue requiring attention. 

And I know more about anxiety then you ever could.

Also not nice and it's great to have CBD as a medication.

Anxiety, totally livable, treatable and curable with no medication.
Epilepsy. Nope.

"Depression isn't a disease; depression is a normal response to abnormal life experiences."

Speaking on anxiety - "it wasn't just a problem caused by the brain going wrong. It was caused by life going wrong."

Epilepsy, on the other hand, is a disease and is the brain going wrong.

Aug 7, 2019 15:59:11 GMT theend said:

Anxiety, totally livable, treatable and curable with no medication.
Epilepsy. Nope.

"Depression isn't a disease; depression is a normal response to abnormal life experiences."

Speaking on anxiety - "it wasn't just a problem caused by the brain going wrong. It was caused by life going wrong."

Epilepsy, on the other hand, is a disease and is the brain going wrong.

Disagree. Depression is a genuine clinical mental disease. Anxiety is a genuine clinical mental disease.

When I say depression, I don't mean feeling down for a while because your partner cheated on you, or whatever. I mean feeling miserable, empty, no motivation to do anything, day in and day out, for no particular reason. That is a disease in the same way epilepsy is, it just has no physical manifestation. The manifestation is all mental. Same with anxiety. Some situations make me anxious some of the time, but I don't have full-fledged anxiety, where my brain tells me bad things are going to happen all the time, preventing me from doing even normal activities without some kind of fear or nervousness.

Don't know where KING KID sits on the spectrum, nor will I pretend to know. I do agree with iNCY's stance that in general proper, long-term therapy is better than drugs, but hey, it's KING KID's life and he can live it how he likes. I don't know his circumstances and I cast no judgment.

Maybe I need to explain more.

I guess one interesting way of looking at it is that depression and anxiety which are intermingled can and are triggered by life events. Epilepsy isn't. If you are abused, raped, suffer loss, have PTSD for any reason or whatnot you may have a lifetime of depression/anxiety that is more than the blues from getting dumped or losing your job. You will have that misery but that event did not change your brain's chemistry or receptors for eternity. Your brain is plastic in that way you can heal from that without chemicals for life. But not plastic in the way of fixing epilepsy without chemicals or electrical stimulation for life.

When it comes to the "Speaking on anxiety - "it wasn't just a problem caused by the brain going wrong. It was caused by life going wrong." quote, I got that from Tirill Harris  who has divided her time over the last forty years between private practice in psychoanalytical psychotherapy.and research at London University with Professor George Brown into the psychosocial origins of psychiatric disorder, producing a life-span model of clinical depression among women.

Calling something a genuine clinical disease is loose depending on the criterion. World Health Organization calls video game addiction a disease.

Thanks for clarifying. I am no expert or professional, so my terminology may be loose, but I agree with what you said just now.

I'm going to ignore the bookworm and tell everyone facts. I am loving it. I feel so positive. More energy. Just normal. No cloud hanging over my head. No stress on my shoulders. It's wonderful.

Awesome to hear. Now I just want the video of Kid filling a bathtub full of the gummies and eating his way to freedom that is a relaxing stressfree hour.

Aug 7, 2019 15:13:47 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 7, 2019 14:20:03 GMT iNCY said:

I know more about having seizures than you ever could. 
They're not nice and I have no problem with medication

Just not when it's used  to mask an issue requiring attention. 

And I know more about anxiety then you ever could.

Also not nice and it's great to have CBD as a medication.

I would also doubt this by a factor of 10,000.
There was a point in my life after an extremely personal loss, that I was so wrecked by anxiety that I didn't sleep for days at a time.

Aug 7, 2019 19:29:41 GMT Emperor said:

Aug 7, 2019 15:59:11 GMT theend said:

Anxiety, totally livable, treatable and curable with no medication.
Epilepsy. Nope.

"Depression isn't a disease; depression is a normal response to abnormal life experiences."

Speaking on anxiety - "it wasn't just a problem caused by the brain going wrong. It was caused by life going wrong."

Epilepsy, on the other hand, is a disease and is the brain going wrong.

Disagree. Depression is a genuine clinical mental disease. Anxiety is a genuine clinical mental disease.

When I say depression, I don't mean feeling down for a while because your partner cheated on you, or whatever. I mean feeling miserable, empty, no motivation to do anything, day in and day out, for no particular reason. That is a disease in the same way epilepsy is, it just has no physical manifestation. The manifestation is all mental. Same with anxiety. Some situations make me anxious some of the time, but I don't have full-fledged anxiety, where my brain tells me bad things are going to happen all the time, preventing me from doing even normal activities without some kind of fear or nervousness.

Don't know where KING KID sits on the spectrum, nor will I pretend to know. I do agree with iNCY 's stance that in general proper, long-term therapy is better than drugs, but hey, it's KING KID 's life and he can live it how he likes. I don't know his circumstances and I cast no judgment.

This is an important point.
It's easy to be depressed about bad things.
It's easy to be anxious about events

It's a disease when the symptoms are there without cause.
For a lot of people the reason is cognitive, as when crap happens for a long and sustained time the body actually forgets how to be happy or relaxed.
Medication doesn't solve this and again I have witnessed one of my close family members cycle through anti-depressants and they make nothing better, they just numb the pain.

Aug 7, 2019 20:53:44 GMT KING KID said:

I'm going to ignore the bookworm and tell everyone facts. I am loving it. I feel so positive. More energy. Just normal. No cloud hanging over my head. No stress on my shoulders. It's wonderful.

You're too ALPHA to ask for help or to be vulnerable with a therapist, yet you  think popping gummies lets you be ALPHA and stress free.
Without going completely freud, I know your type.
Strict religious patriarchal family with a strong pressure on you to conform.
You being torn between what you want and being a good son.
Getting married too young because it is expected of you and having a young family that you need to provide for.
Feeling torn trying to make who you want to be fit in with what is expected of you and working a hard job most of the time.
Waking every morning and looking in the mirror wondering which version of you is the real one...

Totally not shocked you have anxiety.

Enjoy the temporary relief from CBD. Your issues will be back unless you work to open to create change.

I’m going to be 100% honest.

Minus the getting married too young part, iNCY kind of nailed it.

I don’t know how this thread became a therapy session for me, but here we are. Getting therapy for free.

And I haven’t had the gummies yet. It’s still in the package. I’ve been enjoying the oil so far.

Aug 8, 2019 2:59:55 GMT KING KID said:

I’m going to be 100% honest.

Minus the getting married too young part, iNCY kind of nailed it.

If it is true (even a little bit), then you need to think about how you are going to live your life.
You either make peace with what you have and your path, or you choose another.
If you keep living this life and fighting yourself true self to do it, there will come a day when you cannot any more.

It will fall apart, your sub-conscious will sabotage you into making change.
It may look like a nervous breakdown, having an affair, addiction or a whole range of other self-destructive behaviour.

That's why it's necessary to work through it and find peace.

I went through a similar phase, not the same life as you but in some way connected, my pressures were all around a strict religious upbringing and an almost abusive level of control over my life.
I didn't go with it and I didn't rebel, chose a third path and made peace with it.

So far so good. 

It saddens me even on PW the number of kids raised by idiotic religious parents who turn atheist in the rejection of the way they were raised.
Sad to leave Christianity before you even knew it.


One more thing, I hate the term "ALPHA", but there is nothing that typifies it more than rejecting toxic peer pressure and being your own man.