Whoever made this completely won the internet.

thereallt,That's awesome how they can digitally make her seem more calm and composed.

You guys sure are triggered by a sixteen-year-old girl.

Oct 3, 2019 12:48:47 GMT thereallt said:

Whoever made this completely won the internet.

Oct 4, 2019 1:21:05 GMT KITN said:

You guys sure are triggered by a sixteen-year-old girl.

When literal autistic screeching becomes a "powerful statement" we have collectively lost the plot.
How about ya' know... Some solutions?
If it was easy we would already be doing it.

But plenty of actual solutions ARE offered and the response is always "But what about my wanton, unrestrained, murderous capitalism? If you stop a billionaire from making five million dollars and make it so that he only makes three million, you're the REAL fascist." And that's how you get people saying we should put the wealthy in guillotines again.

Oct 4, 2019 21:29:50 GMT KITN said:

But plenty of actual solutions ARE offered and the response is always "But what about my wanton, unrestrained, murderous capitalism? If you stop a billionaire from making five million dollars and make it so that he only makes three million, you're the REAL fascist." And that's how you get people saying we should put the wealthy in guillotines again.

I think we would prefer solutions that didn't lead to this...

Oct 4, 2019 21:29:50 GMT KITN said:

But plenty of actual solutions ARE offered and the response is always "But what about my wanton, unrestrained, murderous capitalism? If you stop a billionaire from making five million dollars and make it so that he only makes three million, you're the REAL fascist." And that's how you get people saying we should put the wealthy in guillotines again.

Can you explain to me like I'm 5 the solutions.

Oct 4, 2019 21:29:50 GMT KITN said:

But plenty of actual solutions ARE offered and the response is always "But what about my wanton, unrestrained, murderous capitalism? If you stop a billionaire from making five million dollars and make it so that he only makes three million, you're the REAL fascist." And that's how you get people saying we should put the wealthy in guillotines again.

How old are you? Because if you were 14yo or less I would applaud your engagement in the debate... Older and you should know better.

You understand that the issue is not the millionaire making 3 million instead of 5 but the reduction in consumption by 40%. You understand that you're forcing a consumer to consume 40% less, how do you suppose we do that?

If we were serious about climate change we would demand immediate action for everyone...ya know... immediately, instead the UN charter allows for underdeveloped countries to increase their energy consumption until their middle class is established. While the West shift to electric cars, soy based meat products and a plunging middle class... In the hope that the rest of the world follows one day.

The problem with such a sociological solution to climate is that you are telling Joe Punchclock in Wyoming and Eddy Overalls in Ohio that they have to give up their car, their meat and they're standard of living so that Xiao Wu in Guangzhou can get a 2 bedroom apartment. And... That this arrangement will not reduce green house gas emissions only see them go up a little bit.
It's nigh on an impossible sell in a world that votes on national issues not on the welfare of the global population as a whole.

I'm not saying that any of these things are a great reflection on humanity, but they are a reality... But let's blame capitalism and billionaires because they're soft targets.
This is the danger of group think.

Oct 5, 2019 0:58:49 GMT iNCY said:

Oct 4, 2019 21:29:50 GMT KITN said:

But plenty of actual solutions ARE offered and the response is always "But what about my wanton, unrestrained, murderous capitalism? If you stop a billionaire from making five million dollars and make it so that he only makes three million, you're the REAL fascist." And that's how you get people saying we should put the wealthy in guillotines again.

How old are you? Because if you were 14yo or less I would applaud your engagement in the debate... Older and you should know better.

You understand that the issue is not the millionaire making 3 million instead of 5 but the reduction in consumption by 40%. You understand that you're forcing a consumer to consume 40% less, how do you suppose we do that?

If we were serious about climate change we would demand immediate action for everyone...ya know... immediately, instead the UN charter allows for underdeveloped countries to increase their energy consumption until their middle class is established. While the West shift to electric cars, soy based meat products and a plunging middle class... In the hope that the rest of the world follows one day.

The problem with such a sociological solution to climate is that you are telling Joe Punchclock in Wyoming and Eddy Overalls in Ohio that they have to give up their car, their meat and they're standard of living so that Xiao Wu in Guangzhou can get a 2 bedroom apartment. And... That this arrangement will not reduce green house gas emissions only see them go up a little bit.
It's nigh on an impossible sell in a world that votes on national issues not on the welfare of the global population as a whole.

I'm not saying that any of these things are a great reflection on humanity, but they are a reality... But let's blame capitalism and billionaires because they're soft targets.
This is the danger of group think.

Legit, so eloquently said. Can you convince the idiots on the left of my federal election of what you just said.

Oct 5, 2019 14:08:14 GMT nazzer said:

Oct 5, 2019 0:58:49 GMT iNCY said:

How old are you? Because if you were 14yo or less I would applaud your engagement in the debate... Older and you should know better.

You understand that the issue is not the millionaire making 3 million instead of 5 but the reduction in consumption by 40%. You understand that you're forcing a consumer to consume 40% less, how do you suppose we do that?

If we were serious about climate change we would demand immediate action for everyone...ya know... immediately, instead the UN charter allows for underdeveloped countries to increase their energy consumption until their middle class is established. While the West shift to electric cars, soy based meat products and a plunging middle class... In the hope that the rest of the world follows one day.

The problem with such a sociological solution to climate is that you are telling Joe Punchclock in Wyoming and Eddy Overalls in Ohio that they have to give up their car, their meat and they're standard of living so that Xiao Wu in Guangzhou can get a 2 bedroom apartment. And... That this arrangement will not reduce green house gas emissions only see them go up a little bit.
It's nigh on an impossible sell in a world that votes on national issues not on the welfare of the global population as a whole.

I'm not saying that any of these things are a great reflection on humanity, but they are a reality... But let's blame capitalism and billionaires because they're soft targets.
This is the danger of group think.

Legit, so eloquently said. Can you convince the idiots on the left of my federal election of what you just said.

Thanks, I am pretty sure that your electorate will tell him at the next election... Which is kind of sad, because we need more centrists not right or left parody figured, but this political environment is creating more extremism on both sides.

What we need is a better quality of politician who can make the case and take the people with him... Where instead we get "Agree with me or you are a horrible person". Or alternatively people vote in loud mouth bigots because they don't like being told their opinion is not going to matter.

The questions we need to start with and really talk to people about is, what sort of future do you want for your children and yourself.. And then we have to talk about the fact the coal and steel towns are never going to go back to what they were... The answer is forward but it is up to people as a whole what that future looks like.. Not Greta, not Trudeau and not Trump... But we need a better conversation unlike the one now that revolves around victimhood or the pressing importance of transgender bathrooms.

Okay, so first off. There's a thing that could be implemented called a Carbon Tax. This is something that a lot of other nations already do, where a company gets taxed based on how much carbon dioxide their factories produce, which is usually generated by the burning of fossil fuels. The intent is that this tax will incentivize companies to phase out these outdated, dangerous fuels and invest more in running their factories on alternative energy sources like wind or solar, so that they don't have to pay these taxes. Because corporations hate taxes.

Second, there's just a general idea of shifting to alternative sources of energy. Oil, gas, and coal are dying industries that actually do very little to increase the job market because so much of the actual running of these plants is automated. Instead of lying to coal miners that their jobs are coming back, companies should be training them so that they can transition into effective roles in jobs that aren't doomed. Which would also mean stopping offshore drilling rigs, which produce ungodly, incredibly destructive, amounts of oil into the oceans.

Third, we could increase investment in and use of public transport and infrastructure. Trains in Europe move SO much faster than they do in America, which is part of why less people on average drive cars. If you have a public transit system that isn't awful, more people are going to use it. Which means less people need cars, which means less carbon dioxide in the air and also less people struggling and cutting costs they really shouldn't be cutting so that they can afford cars they don't need. Instead of wasting money on expanding highways, which will do nothing to speed up the flow of traffic.

There. Perfectly civil.

Ya jackass.

Step One @kingofthenorth is convincing the other half of the population and those political and social commentators that climate change is real. Despite the size or impact of it.

Watch any staunch right-winger on the subject, most wont debate the economic or social-political impact first, they’ll simply denounce climate change as a myth, look smug and giggle to themselves about how stupid the left is. Then puts together some facts they found in an obscure article.

Our own Australian PM brushed off the debate last week, (he wasn’t even invited to the UN meeting btw) but stated that Greta Thunberg creates ‘ anxiety ‘ for young people and didn’t want that. A politician using a political move to avoid an issue... wow. This is why no one likes you mate. A slight acknowledgement on the subject would mean his political rivals, the opposition were right all along. Can’t have that.

Step one, then, is to vote them into oblivion before they kill us all. Or, speaking of Australia, treat them as they treated the Penguins of Macquarie island and load them all into a digester. Melt them down into the oil they love so much.

And before thereallt gets on my fucking case about being a murderous communist or whatever (funny how he never mentions the murder squad hired by Coca Cola to kill union organizers in South America as an example of murderous capitalism), the turning them into oil thing is obviously a joke.

Aryan Superman strikes again.

Oct 5, 2019 19:10:52 GMT KITN said:

Okay, so first off. There's a thing that could be implemented called a Carbon Tax. This is something that a lot of other nations already do, where a company gets taxed based on how much carbon dioxide their factories produce, which is usually generated by the burning of fossil fuels. The intent is that this tax will incentivize companies to phase out these outdated, dangerous fuels and invest more in running their factories on alternative energy sources like wind or solar, so that they don't have to pay these taxes. Because corporations hate taxes.

Second, there's just a general idea of shifting to alternative sources of energy. Oil, gas, and coal are dying industries that actually do very little to increase the job market because so much of the actual running of these plants is automated. Instead of lying to coal miners that their jobs are coming back, companies should be training them so that they can transition into effective roles in jobs that aren't doomed. Which would also mean stopping offshore drilling rigs, which produce ungodly, incredibly destructive, amounts of oil into the oceans.

Third, we could increase investment in and use of public transport and infrastructure. Trains in Europe move SO much faster than they do in America, which is part of why less people on average drive cars. If you have a public transit system that isn't awful, more people are going to use it. Which means less people need cars, which means less carbon dioxide in the air and also less people struggling and cutting costs they really shouldn't be cutting so that they can afford cars they don't need. Instead of wasting money on expanding highways, which will do nothing to speed up the flow of traffic.

There. Perfectly civil.

Ya jackass.

I applause you for engaging in the debate finally.

Let's talk energy for a moment, something I'm a bit passionate about as I used to be an electrician many moons ago.
Your first misconception is that the carbon tax is primarily there to get business to make better energy choices. The carbon tax is primarily there to reduce carbon through decreasing consumption, which will be born by the consumer not the business. Which brings me to the next point: do you think the poor and the rich should be subject to the same increases in energy costs... Because if you don't you a advocating for tokenism and socialism which is a valid position... Just has nothing to do with climate change.

Now onto the other amazing energy sources that we should be using... It's all crap at the moment.
Wind and solar are unreliable which means you still have to utilise fossil fuels for your baseload power...
Except when on a windy day, you aren't using fossil fuels it does not mean they are free. In fact the more renewable energy you bring on board the more fossil fuels cost as you have to amortise the same overheads of staff and maintenance over half the energy output.

Also the data on the cost of wind energy versus fossil fuels is very misleading. They talk about wind being a cheaper source of energy... What they don't tell you is that these numbers include the capital costs of building the power plant... Which is fine if you are building something new.. But where the infrastructure already exists the costs of building new generation capacity is horrendous.

The only current viable low carbon energy source capable of base load power is nuclear.

So if we are happy for everything to cost a minimum of 50% more let's go for it... But let's be honest about it.

Oct 5, 2019 20:43:58 GMT KITN said:

Step one, then, is to vote them into oblivion before they kill us all. Or, speaking of Australia, treat them as they treated the Penguins of Macquarie island and load them all into a digester. Melt them down into the oil they love so much.

And before thereallt gets on my fucking case about being a murderous communist or whatever (funny how he never mentions the murder squad hired by Coca Cola to kill union organizers in South America as an example of murderous capitalism), the turning them into oil thing is obviously a joke.

I think that was New Zealand not Australia... And would you have preferred the blubber came from whales?

Great article about these numpty XR protestors

www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/shambolic-bizarre-and-upsetting-moment-climate-protesters-lost-us-for-good/news-story/a8e9c8b0e5784f865f418a68d108bfc8

Oct 9, 2019 8:39:36 GMT iNCY said:

Great article about these numpty XR protestors

www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/shambolic-bizarre-and-upsetting-moment-climate-protesters-lost-us-for-good/news-story/a8e9c8b0e5784f865f418a68d108bfc8

Eh, I go back and forth on that. It's the struggle between not wanting to disrupt someone's everyday life, but if you keep it too nice and polite you get ignored.

And not to derail the thread further -- but since we're already on Communism vs Captialism and red death camps I figure I can't make it any worse --

whatever you think of Colin Kaepernick his protest method was literally sitting down quietly and he was still being too disruptive.

Is there an acceptable way to protest? I'm starting to suspect there isn't.

But anyway

That link you posted? Yeah, the dude a thong is a bit too far out there, but otherwise it's a whole lot of "they are not protesting in a way I find palatable." They're dressed like bees! They're lying down in front of the stock market bull as though they were personally gored by its horns!

They blocked an intersection for a couple of minutes which -- yes, that is annoying and an inconvenience but it's also unfortunately one of the only ways to make a non-tangible issue real. Protesters pour fake blood on the street and someone goes "ha, what a wacky bunch of people" and then goes about their day and forgets about it in ten minutes. Tie up the morning commute for even five minutes? That same person will be talking about it for a week (and it might lead to discussion about the issue that caused the gridlock).

As far as an actual, societal change that would help a little bit but won't ever happen? Get rid of wearing suits at work. I'm completely serious.

This is the Californian in me talking for sure, but given that your attire has no real influence on your work what does it matter? Not saying people should start wearing short shorts and offensive T-shirts to work, but why do we take the business professional look more seriously?

I said before that I bike to work every so often, which I can because no one really cares what I wear as long as my job gets done (and again, no offensive shirts). One of my best friends, who has a similar commute distance-wise, cannot because he needs to look all professional-like.

And even if biking to work isn't an option, your office still needs to be air conditioned during summer. Which probably wouldn't need to be cranked up quite as much if dudes could get away with performance polos and golf-course breathable pants.

Have you heard about the climate change protests in London? They are camping in major central travel areas, disrupting a whole lot of stuff. They have declared intentions to move to one of the airports. If I were a working man in London, I'd probably be annoyed, but they are making a lot of noise so good for them, I guess.

Completely agreed with the work attire suggestion. The societal requirement to wear a suit and tie every day in so many professions is ridiculous. I understand the desire to look professional when doing business, but there's no need to go the full whack every single day, especially if you're not interacting with customers.

Why disrupt normal folk (possible supporters) ?

Disrupt parliament. Make the politicians lives harder not your neighbours.

I’ve never understood rioters who smash up and burn down their own streets and buildings - it’s your neighbourhood you idiots.

Oct 10, 2019 1:12:57 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Oct 9, 2019 8:39:36 GMT iNCY said:

Great article about these numpty XR protestors

www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/shambolic-bizarre-and-upsetting-moment-climate-protesters-lost-us-for-good/news-story/a8e9c8b0e5784f865f418a68d108bfc8

Eh, I go back and forth on that. It's the struggle between not wanting to disrupt someone's everyday life, but if you keep it too nice and polite you get ignored.

And not to derail the thread further -- but since we're already on Communism vs Captialism and red death camps I figure I can't make it any worse --

whatever you think of Colin Kaepernick his protest method was literally sitting down quietly and he was still being too disruptive.

Is there an acceptable way to protest? I'm starting to suspect there isn't.

But anyway

That link you posted? Yeah, the dude a thong is a bit too far out there, but otherwise it's a whole lot of "they are not protesting in a way I find palatable." They're dressed like bees! They're lying down in front of the stock market bull as though they were personally gored by its horns!

They blocked an intersection for a couple of minutes which -- yes, that is annoying and an inconvenience but it's also unfortunately one of the only ways to make a non-tangible issue real. Protesters pour fake blood on the street and someone goes "ha, what a wacky bunch of people" and then goes about their day and forgets about it in ten minutes. Tie up the morning commute for even five minutes? That same person will be talking about it for a week (and it might lead to discussion about the issue that caused the gridlock).

If they are looking for acceptable forms of protest, I would heartily support a bit of self-immolation.
I hope somebody runs all of these Extinction XR over with a truck, because again as it turns out, it's not about climate but Socialism!
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