Oct 13, 2019 18:51:09 GMT UT said:

Oct 13, 2019 18:44:13 GMT mikec said:

That’s such a stupid argument that it is surprising you’re going for it.

How is it dumb. Mahomes is the golden boy who can’t be criticized? He hasn’t played well in three weeks now and people are making excuses - maybe he’s just not playing well - maybe he isn’t infallible.

Well one the argument was there are no injury excuses, when you can’t step down on an ankle that you’ve hurt in three of the six games of the season and can no longer evade a rush that comes through on every play with half of your offensive line out. The idea that Aaron Rodgers should be good (or should even have been playing) on a broken leg is also stupid, doubling down on it doesn’t make it smart.

Oct 13, 2019 18:53:43 GMT UT said:

For the record I like Mahomes and I like when he’s good and the Chiefs are rolling on offense. It’s fun.

However if Aaron Rodgers is going to be deemed to have “lost it” by critics and fans alike after throwing for 25TDs and 2INTs on a broken leg and shit offense around him I’m at least going to throw the criticism out there.

If Mahomes was having a 25 TD/21 INT type season the “is he good” argument makes more sense than the guy with a 13 TD, 1 INT first five and a half games.

Except he wasn’t even playing that bad? 25 touchdowns and 2 picks. Not gaudy but not bad.

Perhaps Mahomes needs to learn how to adjust his game. If he’s going to be labeled the best in the league that’s not a huge ask.

For the record Mahomes on a bum ankle is still a Top Ten quarterback.

If Howard is injured, it's a huge loss for the Texans. He's barely put a foot wrong and has been the most convincing offensive lineman this season, including Tunsil. Doesn't look good.

Kind of annoyed that the three games I wanted to watch today are all at the same time. Now I don’t care from like 2:00pm onward. Ah well I’ll just get drunk before then. Wooooo Thanksgiving!!

Thank fuck Seattle pulled it together on defence. Cleveland was stomping them. But then OBJ did OBJ things (ie: dropped the ball twice) and Seattle blocked a punt and now also has two INTs.

Cleveland’s defence is still playing well though. Wilson is being rushed every play and has been making mistakes. Still anyone’s game.

Oct 13, 2019 18:56:17 GMT mikec said:

Oct 13, 2019 18:53:43 GMT UT said:

For the record I like Mahomes and I like when he’s good and the Chiefs are rolling on offense. It’s fun.

However if Aaron Rodgers is going to be deemed to have “lost it” by critics and fans alike after throwing for 25TDs and 2INTs on a broken leg and shit offense around him I’m at least going to throw the criticism out there.

If Mahomes was having a 25 TD/21 INT type season the “is he good” argument makes more sense than the guy with a 13 TD, 1 INT first five and a half games.

I know I was being sarcastic , obviously he’s good but he isn’t playing well. Should have been 2 picks this game - like a millimeter away on the second one which was a terrible throw he got lucky on.

Oct 13, 2019 18:58:51 GMT UT said:

Oct 13, 2019 18:56:17 GMT mikec said:

If Mahomes was having a 25 TD/21 INT type season the “is he good” argument makes more sense than the guy with a 13 TD, 1 INT first five and a half games.

I know I was being sarcastic , obviously he’s good but he isn’t playing well. Should have been 2 picks this game - like a millimeter away on the second one which was a terrible throw he got lucky on.

That happens to every QB every game though, including Watson today.

Fuller killing my fantasy team today with drops.

I know it does. It was a terrible throw that’s uncharacteristic though and it’s one that won’t show up on the stat sheet to reinforce the idea that Mahomes is really flipping struggling right now - and against beatable defenses.

Well Houston is definitely losing this game now.

Butterfingers Fuller is back. It's been a while.

Fairbairn has been awful this season.

Seattle D forces another turnover. Ohhh baybaayy

Oct 13, 2019 19:02:09 GMT mikec said:

Oct 13, 2019 18:58:51 GMT UT said:

I know I was being sarcastic , obviously he’s good but he isn’t playing well. Should have been 2 picks this game - like a millimeter away on the second one which was a terrible throw he got lucky on.

That happens to every QB every game though, including Watson today.

Fuller killing my fantasy team today with drops.

I have OBJ and he’s had 3 drops today. I hate him so much.

See Mahomes can’t even throw fun touchdowns anymore. Just dump offs. Ugh.

Oct 13, 2019 19:10:44 GMT RT said:

Oct 13, 2019 19:02:09 GMT mikec said:

That happens to every QB every game though, including Watson today.

Fuller killing my fantasy team today with drops.

I have OBJ and he’s had 3 drops today. I hate him so much.

In a much more serious manner: Are we sure OBJ is good?

The Texans roster isn't built to withstand these injuries. Very top-heavy.

BULLSHIT on the Blindside block on the Browns!! That was clean!

Sad how not good Frank Clark has been this year. Lots of money for his zero contribution.

There’s going to be a riot in Cleveland. I’m cheering for Seattle and I’m actually mad.

-phantom PI in the endzone that leads to a 1st and goal for Seattle. They get a TD.

-OBJ first down called back on a crappy holding call.

-now a Chubb almost first down is called back for an illegal blindside block that wasn’t at all illegal.

This is nuts.

While we're on the subject of giving fair criticism to elite players - Hopkins is not looking like the receiver he has been in the last few years.

First year ref. Go figure.

I’m not even joking about the phantom PI call. The Seattle player just fell down and they called PI with no one even close to him.

And the “blindside” block was two guys literally running at one another and facing each other.

Are we sure Deshaun Watson is good?

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Shit play by Watson there. Why force it? Take the points and the lead you dumbass.

Oct 13, 2019 19:27:29 GMT mikec said:

Are we sure Deshaun Watson is good?

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At least he can be criticized without excuses popping up. That was about as bad of a mistake you can make in that situation.

Oct 13, 2019 19:29:24 GMT UT said:

Oct 13, 2019 19:27:29 GMT mikec said:

Are we sure Deshaun Watson is good?

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At least he can be criticized without excuses popping up. That was about as bad of a mistake you can make in that situation.

There is a rumor swirling around Arrowhead right now that he may have a tickly cough.

Oct 13, 2019 19:26:59 GMT Todd said:

While we're on the subject of giving fair criticism to elite players - Hopkins is not looking like the receiver he has been in the last few years.

Yeah I don’t know what happened but even with al the weapons and now a decent running game - nothing has opened up for him. Plus he’s lost about 10% of his target share... which will kill the overall numbers.

Oct 13, 2019 19:30:39 GMT Todd said:

Oct 13, 2019 19:29:24 GMT UT said:

At least he can be criticized without excuses popping up. That was about as bad of a mistake you can make in that situation.

There is a rumor swirling around Arrowhead right now that he may have a tickly cough.

Aaron Rodgers got an MVP award with pneumonia in both lungs.

I’ve watched a few of these PI challenges and yet to see one overturned. Big miss by NFL.

This will be interesting. That's PI all day long but the bar has been set so high. Interesting review.

I love watching American football streams because otherwise I never would have known about the glory that is the Pizza Hut Cheez-It Pizza.

God bless the USA.

Yeah let’s just stop the PI challenge now. This is silly.

Hyde is having a great fucking game.