Dec 9, 2020 4:58:52 GMT Gyro LC said:

Dec 9, 2020 4:12:12 GMT iNCY said:

Muslim immigration has been pretty much a disaster, I don't really want any more muslim immigration, but I have no problem with the many muslims I know and work alongside.
That's not racism.

That is literally "but he's one of the good ones."

rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_of_the_good_ones

It's actually the opposite, there is no problem with Muslims other than the fact that most do not integrate.
The move into areas with mosques, send their kids to Islamic schools, force their daughters to wear hijabs and then into arranged marriages.
This is not multiculturism.

I would ban all religious schools,this is what is breaking the system.

While we're not rounding up indigenous people in the street, and burning crosses in people's front yards, there is definitely a 'widening of the gap' and there's definitely fault on both sides.

Dec 9, 2020 8:01:16 GMT NATH45 said:

While we're not rounding up indigenous people in the street, and burning crosses in people's front yards, there is definitely a 'widening of the gap' and there's definitely fault on both sides.

If you mean that colonising, raping and exterminating the Aboriginals was white man's fault, I unequivocally agree.
Is there a lack of will to fix the situation? No, everyone wants it solved but it's not possible while respecting their rights. It is not possible for us to fix the problems in indigenous society, doesn't mean we should stop trying...

Something that really holds our country back in terms of equality is the lack of culturally diverse representation in politics. We're a long way behind our Commonwealth friends:



Representation is also shockingly inadequate in the media too, you can count the number of non-white people on TV on one hand.

Dec 10, 2020 1:22:04 GMT @admin said:

Something that really holds our country back in terms of equality is the lack of culturally diverse representation in politics. We're a long way behind our Commonwealth friends:



Representation is also shockingly inadequate in the media too, you can count the number of non-white people on TV on one hand.

Perhaps it would be fairer to evaluate how each electorate is represented versus the population diversity of that electorate?
The vast majority of Australia is dust, bush and old white farmers, so I am not sure looking at a national cross section is the best guide.
You would also need to cull the first-generation and non-english speakers from the list.

Greater diversity in representation is great, if it reflects the diversity of the electorates they represent.

Dec 10, 2020 2:10:18 GMT iNCY said:

Dec 10, 2020 1:22:04 GMT @admin said:

Something that really holds our country back in terms of equality is the lack of culturally diverse representation in politics. We're a long way behind our Commonwealth friends:

Representation is also shockingly inadequate in the media too, you can count the number of non-white people on TV on one hand.

Perhaps it would be fairer to evaluate how each electorate is represented versus the population diversity of that electorate?
The vast majority of Australia is dust, bush and old white farmers, so I am not sure looking at a national cross section is the best guide.
You would also need to cull the first-generation and non-english speakers from the list.

Greater diversity in representation is great, if it reflects the diversity of the electorates they represent.

That's probably reasonably fair but I'm sure the urban electorates don't have an equivalent level of representation. I can't really be bothered looking into it too deeply but I had a quick scan of the Victorian members of the Federal parliament and maybe six of them are of an obvious non-Anglo heritage out of 50. One is Asian and one is Indigenous.

Returning to the issue of far right terrorists not being taken seriously/ignored for obvious racial reasons - the arrest of the 18 year old in Albury on terror charges didn't even get a mention in the Daily Telegraph, while the Christchurch royal commission was buried down on page 17. If either had been Muslim it would have been all over the front page. They did find space to print this letter though...

Dec 11, 2020 0:24:41 GMT @admin said:

Dec 10, 2020 2:10:18 GMT iNCY said:

Perhaps it would be fairer to evaluate how each electorate is represented versus the population diversity of that electorate?
The vast majority of Australia is dust, bush and old white farmers, so I am not sure looking at a national cross section is the best guide.
You would also need to cull the first-generation and non-english speakers from the list.

Greater diversity in representation is great, if it reflects the diversity of the electorates they represent.

That's probably reasonably fair but I'm sure the urban electorates don't have an equivalent level of representation. I can't really be bothered looking into it too deeply but I had a quick scan of the Victorian members of the Federal parliament and maybe six of them are of an obvious non-Anglo heritage out of 50. One is Asian and one is Indigenous.

Returning to the issue of far right terrorists not being taken seriously/ignored for obvious racial reasons - the arrest of the 18 year old in Albury on terror charges didn't even get a mention in the Daily Telegraph, while the Christchurch royal commission was buried down on page 17. If either had been Muslim it would have been all over the front page. They did find space to print this letter though...

Mick's not wrong though 😂

Dec 2, 2020 2:02:14 GMT c said:

Curious what the end goal is. Aussie cannot hope to threaten Australia with might and you have no weapons of asymmetric warfare, Australia to China is just another minor trade partner, and diplomatically, allies are not likely to side with Australia that appears to be picking a fight they cannot win. So what is the end goal if China calls? Pretty much will be left on your own and your economy crippled if China puts up tariffs. I mean China imports 48 percent of your goods, but you only make up 2 percent of Chinese exports, giving you an 8 billion trade surplus that they would be justified in reducing.

The irony of the right wing destroying our coal export industry is really just incredible. A more rapid strategy for decarbonisation than anyone could have previously come up with!

Very much like how the US is leading the world now in reducing carbon emissions. Say what you will about COVID, but it is great for the long term health of the planet.

c, that was one of the observations early on, how clear the skies and rivers were. Mother Nature is catching a break in 2020.

Apparently household rubbish is way up though because everyone's been ordering so much takeaway and throwing away their masks. China aren't taking our trash anymore so we're just piling it up in warehouses.

Dec 16, 2020 2:06:16 GMT @admin said:

Dec 2, 2020 2:02:14 GMT c said:

Curious what the end goal is. Aussie cannot hope to threaten Australia with might and you have no weapons of asymmetric warfare, Australia to China is just another minor trade partner, and diplomatically, allies are not likely to side with Australia that appears to be picking a fight they cannot win. So what is the end goal if China calls? Pretty much will be left on your own and your economy crippled if China puts up tariffs. I mean China imports 48 percent of your goods, but you only make up 2 percent of Chinese exports, giving you an 8 billion trade surplus that they would be justified in reducing.

The irony of the right wing destroying our coal export industry is really just incredible. A more rapid strategy for decarbonisation than anyone could have previously come up with!

Which highlights the lunacy of the anti Adani coal mining groups.
If we don't dig it out of the ground then nobody will burn coal... 🙄

Australia sells coal yes, but it is some of the "cleanest" coal in the world. The coal that China will burn instead will require up to twice as much coal to be burnt to achieve the same energy output, so the net effect is a huge jump in global emissions... Awesome 👍

Can we please start another four Adani coal mines.
We need some more bloody global warming, middle of summer and it's too damn cold.

Definitely the coolest start to summer in a long time. If January and February are like this, it will be great.

25-30 is good.

Thought this was interesting considering it was the topic that lead to System creating this thread. For comparison, 776 Aussies under the age of 45 died after receiving a robodebt notice, and not a single person in the government was held responsible or lost their job.

Jan 14, 2021 23:46:01 GMT @admin said:

Thought this was interesting considering it was the topic that lead to System creating this thread. For comparison, 776 Aussies under the age of 45 died after receiving a robodebt notice, and not a single person in the government was held responsible or lost their job.

Yeah, such a disaster.

When lockdown happened and it looked like I was losing my job,
(Before Jobkeeper announced) I logged on to MyGov to discover a message from 2019 that I supposedly owed the government $2k from overreporting in 2010-11 which I definitely didn’t. This was back when MyGov was crashing 24/7 as everyone was trying to get on at once.


Time goes by, I get an email asking if I wanted to be involved in class action lawsuit, I agreed. Later on it was waived and I never paid it to begin with.
Very lucky I never had to pay this bs charge and wasn’t put in the horrific situation that others were forced to deal with this were.

What a story 😂

I though killing the pigeon was a little harsh, what not just put it on Christmas Island until it dies of despair?

lol wtf? there are so many parts of Trumpism that have made their way into our government and it's honestly beyond stupid. Fuck all of these guys.

If the Aussie law goes into effect that makes online platforms pay for news, Google is prepared to ban the country form assessing their stuff rather than risk Aussieland setting the prices they pay.

Jan 21, 2021 2:41:36 GMT @admin said:

lol wtf? there are so many parts of Trumpism that have made their way into our government and it's honestly beyond stupid. Fuck all of these guys.

The Libs were tone deaf long before Trump.

Feb 1, 2021 20:02:31 GMT c said:

If the Aussie law goes into effect that makes online platforms pay for news, Google is prepared to ban the country form assessing their stuff rather than risk Aussieland setting the prices they pay.

I love this. And I have only invested a small amount of time understanding it, so could be way off the mark - So the news companies that generate revenue through social media and the internet via clicks, now want to charge the platform for hosting their content?

Effectively, if Google and Facebook do pull out, these platforms don't exist to Australian news companies.. therefore potentially losing revenue as I'm guessing the majority of clicks/hits/visits come through social media links and not directly going to the newspapers home site first.

It is not just the news. Google will remove the Google search page, Gmail and Adsense web monetization from Australia too. Facebook would remove the Facebook app, Messenger and Instagram from the market. Neither company wants to leave any piece that can be linked to news at all and it is easier to simply remove all their business from the Australian market entirely with a region block.

Feb 1, 2021 20:44:01 GMT NATH45 said:

Jan 21, 2021 2:41:36 GMT @admin said:

lol wtf? there are so many parts of Trumpism that have made their way into our government and it's honestly beyond stupid. Fuck all of these guys.

The Libs were tone deaf long before Trump.

Oh I know, I was really referring to Morrison picking up on Trump's use of white victimhood.

It's fair to say the Aboriginals got a pretty raw deal and it's a national responsibility to do what we can to fix it...

But it is worth noting that Australians were the prisoners and not colonisers.
It really sits on the head of the colonialist powers of the past, I mean when you ship a tonne of violent rapists and thieves to a country... It's kind of going to be pretty ugly right.

Feb 1, 2021 21:09:30 GMT c said:

It is not just the news. Google will remove the Google search page, Gmail and Adsense web monetization from Australia too. Facebook would remove the Facebook app, Messenger and Instagram from the market. Neither company wants to leave any piece that can be linked to news at all and it is easier to simply remove all their business from the Australian market entirely with a region block.

What an incredibly quick way to lose the younger voters. And if you're in opposition, an incredibly quick way to win votes.

Before we mock millennials - think about how many businesses are reliant on Google suites also and social media as a tool to engage with customers.

Feb 2, 2021 7:46:49 GMT NATH45 said:

Feb 1, 2021 21:09:30 GMT c said:

It is not just the news. Google will remove the Google search page, Gmail and Adsense web monetization from Australia too. Facebook would remove the Facebook app, Messenger and Instagram from the market. Neither company wants to leave any piece that can be linked to news at all and it is easier to simply remove all their business from the Australian market entirely with a region block.

What an incredibly quick way to lose the younger voters. And if you're in opposition, an incredibly quick way to win votes.

Before we mock millennials - think about how many businesses are reliant on Google suites also and social media as a tool to engage with customers.

Not really... There are no good guys in this story, whether it is tech giants or media moguls these are enormous corporations making obscene profits.

If we are going to argue for government intervention it's hard to argue that Google's model is fair, where they extract news stories and let people read them without clicking through to the site of the creators.


Though the most insane suggestion was Sarah Hanson Young suggesting the government make its own google, which is about the level of nonsense I would expect from her infantile grasp of the world.

This is the news they are claiming Google is stealing. Notice it is only article titles that are posted.

news.google.com/topstories


That is what they want google to pay for, the titles themselves at the rate for the full article. This basically would then allow every news companies to demand cuts from any new aggregator or social media site. They could shake down HR for the links I post in the politics thread for instance. It is a bad practice. If they used the article text it would be a different story, but providing links to the articles by the title of the articles is a much different thing that stealing news. Sadly, most people only read the titles of news articles and not the articles themselves, but this is not the fault of big tech.


The notion to just create an Australia google was hilarious. Making a web spider is easy, but expensive as hell when you scale it to millions.

Feb 3, 2021 21:16:24 GMT c said:

They could shake down HR for the links I post in the politics thread for instance.

I have been looking for a good excuse to shut down your vanity projects. 😈

Feb 3, 2021 21:16:24 GMT c said:

This is the news they are claiming Google is stealing. Notice it is only article titles that are posted.

news.google.com/topstories


That is what they want google to pay for, the titles themselves at the rate for the full article. This basically would then allow every news companies to demand cuts from any new aggregator or social media site. They could shake down HR for the links I post in the politics thread for instance. It is a bad practice. If they used the article text it would be a different story, but providing links to the articles by the title of the articles is a much different thing that stealing news. Sadly, most people only read the titles of news articles and not the articles themselves, but this is not the fault of big tech.


The notion to just create an Australia google was hilarious. Making a web spider is easy, but expensive as hell when you scale it to millions.

Our Greens party is the part of impractical idiots making wild claims about what should be, without any feasible way of bringing it to pass.

I am sympathetic to the media companies though, we all protest that the quality of reporting is dropping while at the same time we take all the profits from the news organization and give it to hugely profitable social media sites.
People post links to news articles on Facebook and people discuss them there, rather than discussing them on the news site where the media company would gain some revenue from advertising.
It's not just Google right, it is all the tech giants.
They want to claim that they are just the window that the world peers through, but they are monetizing looking through the window.

I am not saying I have a dog in this fight, but the model is not sustainable... Which is why once legitimate news sites are flooded with Click-baity nonsense.