So it's been a pretty hot buzz in the NFL or heck the whole world in this pandemic that both Nike and FedEx(Who have the costly name brand of the Washington stadium) have put the pressure on Washington owner, Dan Snyder to change the iconic but controversial Redskins name. Pressure had been put on Snyder to change it for a good 20+ years but now with a ton of change occurring around the world, now it seems like the liberal/left are striking while the iron is hot. Dwayne Haskins, starting QB has likened the popular Washington RedTails name which is named of the famous Tuskegee African American pilots that broke barriers. Seen Pigskins also tossed given the Hogs were a popular name for the glory days of this franchise and fans still dress up as pigs. Keep in mind that the Redskins are a near 90 year old team and considered to be one of the most iconic franchises in all of football with infamous rivalries with the Cowboys, Giants and Eagles. 

For that matter, the Cleveland Indians despite dropping the Chief Wahoo logo a little while ago are under fire as well for some reason. Seems like the native americans refuse to want to be associated in any capacity in sports(Braves? Seminoles?). Would the Cleveland Tribe be a suitable enough name, that's their basic nickname. Tribe does not necessarily have to be Indian related. 

Thoughts on the name change spark here in 2020? Do you think both teams undergo the name change or will this once again be swept? Thoughts on the overall concept and what nickname do you think works best for these teams? 

(Put a poll just because)

I think it's very obvious that both should change. The names are clearly universally offensive to Native Americans.

I like Redtails a lot for the football team, and Spiders for baseball.

For that matter, the Cleveland Indians despite dropping the Chief Wahoo logo a little while ago are under fire as well for some reason. Seems like the native americans refuse to want to be associated in any capacity in sports(Braves? Seminoles?).

This is super ignorant dude.

First Nations people would be fine being associated with sports if the teams weren’t using names that have been racist forever. You’re completely missing the point.

Redskin is literally like saying nigger or chink or whatever example you want to use.

Indian is wrong and has been wrong since Columbus fucked up and thought he was in India when he stumbled across North America.

Read up on cultural appropriation and the affects it has on minorities. You’ll realize that what First Nations people are asking for is very simple and easy, and hurts nobody. And rich white people are just refusing to bend.

The same debate has been happening up here with the Edmonton Eskimos. People have been petitioning the team for decades and they just refuse to do anything. They released a statement yesterday because it’s come up again and they literally wouldn’t use the word “Eskimo” in their statement yet decided it was fine. The hypocrisy is baffling.

I've been all about Washington Warriors. But then again, if Bullets were too violent for basketball...

Jul 6, 2020 2:04:55 GMT 🤯 said:

I've been all about Washington Warriors. But then again, if Bullets were too violent for basketball...

They got away with the name in Golden State.

Besides, the name "Warrior" isn't always synonymous with natives.  In fact, some people use the term as a badge of honor.

Jul 6, 2020 1:17:49 GMT RT said:

For that matter, the Cleveland Indians despite dropping the Chief Wahoo logo a little while ago are under fire as well for some reason. Seems like the native americans refuse to want to be associated in any capacity in sports(Braves? Seminoles?).

This is super ignorant dude.

First Nations people would be fine being associated with sports if the teams weren’t using names that have been racist forever. You’re completely missing the point.

Redskin is literally like saying nigger or chink or whatever example you want to use.

Indian is wrong and has been wrong since Columbus fucked up and thought he was in India when he stumbled across North America.

Read up on cultural appropriation and the affects it has on minorities. You’ll realize that what First Nations people are asking for is very simple and easy, and hurts nobody. And rich white people are just refusing to bend.

The same debate has been happening up here with the Edmonton Eskimos. People have been petitioning the team for decades and they just refuse to do anything. They released a statement yesterday because it’s come up again and they literally wouldn’t use the word “Eskimo” in their statement yet decided it was fine. The hypocrisy is baffling.

Except the Seminole tribe has allowed and been for the Florida St university to honor and keep the name going. I think if it's done properly, it's not insulting. I know I had spoken with ORaider27 back on the old forums about that and he had mentioned as a Native American that it's great to have the Braves or Blackhawks as they put Native Americans in a positive light. We've had this discussion ages ago, just feel like now seems like the time that change may be happening.

"Yankee" was used as a derogatory term for Northerners back in the Civil War yet the New York Yankees are one of the most iconic sport franchises today. I just think it depends on the context on how the term is being used. While I am not Native American, I don't see the harm in honoring where this country came from in a positive light given how dark US's origins have been to Native Americans. Maybe the tomahawk chop stuff is hokey but I think the Blackhawk, Braves logo are cool. 

Oh Redskin I am not arguing, the Cleveland Indians one I am still iffy on. The logo had to go but the new logo they have seems fine. I am for the Cleveland Tribe name as that's been their unofficial nickname essentially.

Jul 6, 2020 2:04:55 GMT 🤯 said:

I've been all about Washington Warriors. But then again, if Bullets were too violent for basketball...

Warriors works great.   They wouldn't even have to change the logo.

Jul 6, 2020 2:31:02 GMT thereallt said:

Jul 6, 2020 2:04:55 GMT 🤯 said:

I've been all about Washington Warriors. But then again, if Bullets were too violent for basketball...

Warriors works great.   They wouldn't even have to change the logo.

Plus, alliteration!

Jul 6, 2020 2:08:48 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Jul 6, 2020 2:04:55 GMT 🤯 said:

I've been all about Washington Warriors. But then again, if Bullets were too violent for basketball...

They got away with the name in Golden State.

Besides, the name "Warrior" isn't always synonymous with natives.  In fact, some people use the term as a badge of honor.

Honestly, I'd spin it and rebrand the team to pay homage to America's veterans.

They have to keep the Burgundy and Gold theme going no matter what.

Jul 6, 2020 2:37:26 GMT Blindy said:

They have to keep the Burgundy and Gold theme going no matter what.

It fucking sucks that two of the best uniforms in sports ever (Redskins and Chicago Blackhawks) have racist logos. I really hope they keep the colours.

Jul 6, 2020 3:17:19 GMT RT said:

Jul 6, 2020 2:37:26 GMT Blindy said:

They have to keep the Burgundy and Gold theme going no matter what.

It fucking sucks that two of the best uniforms in sports ever (Redskins and Chicago Blackhawks) have racist logos. I really hope they keep the colours.

Hope the Chiefs aren't dismantled over this, Arrowhead Stadium is iconic and the Chiefs red and white are classy. 

Jul 6, 2020 3:19:06 GMT Blindy said:

Jul 6, 2020 3:17:19 GMT RT said:

It fucking sucks that two of the best uniforms in sports ever (Redskins and Chicago Blackhawks) have racist logos. I really hope they keep the colours.

Hope the Chiefs aren't dismantled over this, Arrowhead Stadium is iconic and the Chiefs red and white are classy. 

What's racist about the word "Chief"?

Jul 6, 2020 1:17:49 GMT RT said:

For that matter, the Cleveland Indians despite dropping the Chief Wahoo logo a little while ago are under fire as well for some reason. Seems like the native americans refuse to want to be associated in any capacity in sports(Braves? Seminoles?).

This is super ignorant dude.

First Nations people would be fine being associated with sports if the teams weren’t using names that have been racist forever. You’re completely missing the point.

Redskin is literally like saying nigger or chink or whatever example you want to use.

Indian is wrong and has been wrong since Columbus fucked up and thought he was in India when he stumbled across North America.

Read up on cultural appropriation and the affects it has on minorities. You’ll realize that what First Nations people are asking for is very simple and easy, and hurts nobody. And rich white people are just refusing to bend.

The same debate has been happening up here with the Edmonton Eskimos. People have been petitioning the team for decades and they just refuse to do anything. They released a statement yesterday because it’s come up again and they literally wouldn’t use the word “Eskimo” in their statement yet decided it was fine. The hypocrisy is baffling.

I actually did a lot of research on this for a year in college. Turns out Indian (more specifically “American Indian”) was a favored nomenclature for American Indians. Obviously there are a significant number that aren’t ok with it which makes it a silly name for a baseball team (especially when Spiders rules as a name), but if I remember correctly the preference was rooted in “its what I’ve always been called, don’t change it.” The debate topic my freshman year of college was on Native American policy so we looked up all sorts of sources so that we could call our opponents out for saying anything that somebody found offensive and then also in defending ourselves if we got told we said something offensive.

Redskins I don’t think is a question, and I’d change both (and also ok with Braves, Seminoles, Chiefs, etc going away too, I just don’t think an attachment to team names matters much)

They'll probably never do this, but I think Washington "Pigskins" would be awesome.

Keeps the 'Skins nickname but gives it a brand new and better meaning; an ode to the Hogs and the entire sport of football as well.

EDIT: Seminoles and Blackhawks should remain imo. Maybe tone down the imagery with FSU (which they kinda have but not really) but I think the Blackhawks have been a good example of how to portray native americans/first nations in an honorable fashion. Braves are questionable. Warriors have removed all of their imagery and the name can apply to any culture. Chiefs are a tough one... and the Indians are a no-brainer.

RT, did you see recently the Blackhawks released a statement about their logo?

www.tsn.ca/chicago-blackhawks-release-statement-regarding-name-logo-1.1493138

"..."We celebrate Black Hawk’s legacy by offering ongoing reverent examples of Native American culture, traditions and contributions, providing a platform for genuine dialogue with local and national Native American groups. As the team’s popularity grew over the past decade, so did that platform and our work with these important organizations..."

I think their statement would work better if they weren't used a cartoonish archetype as their logo.

Regarding the Cleveland Indians; is 'Tribe' really any better. Why not have a name that isn't associated with Native Americans?

Because Native Americans are not represented in any kind of portrayal in media and I think most only know that culture through tragedies like Trail of Tears etc. If you bring up a proud Native American character in fiction or in sports you will be met with criticism. There are exclusions like Disney's Pochahontas but for the most part, it's an uncharted water that will be even further uncharted because of the outrage existing today. 

Tribe does not have to be referenced to Native Americans, same thing people are trying with the name "Warriors". That is not inclusive to just Native Americans but we are in a woke society that calls on whatever to happen just because.

And Washington has retired both the name and logo of Redskins....now we wait and see what the new one will be. Las Vegas Raiders and the Washington whatever's, and I thought the Los Angeles Chargers was unfortunate. This was a change needed but man it's going to take time to get used to. 

Washington Warlocks to go along with the Wiz Kids, plz&thx.

Absolute fire. This SHOULD be the one chosen. Would be down for Redwolves over Redtails honestly.

Red Wolves would be cool since they are prominent in the region and the team could keep their color scheme.

Warthogs and Red Tails are fine too. Warriors would be lame.

Jul 13, 2020 14:52:14 GMT @theshow said:

Red Wolves would be cool since they are prominent in the region and the team could keep their color scheme.

Warthogs and Red Tails are fine too. Warriors would be lame.

Since when are wolves "prominent in the region" of the greater Washington DC metro area?! Are you thinking of foxes or coyotes? :LOL:

Warthogs has the indoor soccer team stink to it for people in the area, I think. Or maybe everyone has collectively forgotten about the Warthogs?

Why is Warriors lame? Warriors is my second choice after Warlocks.

I'd also be OK with Washington Warblers.

Jul 13, 2020 15:17:07 GMT 🤯 said:

Jul 13, 2020 14:52:14 GMT @theshow said:

Red Wolves would be cool since they are prominent in the region and the team could keep their color scheme.

Warthogs and Red Tails are fine too. Warriors would be lame.

Since when are wolves "prominent in the region" of the greater Washington DC metro area?! Are you thinking of foxes or coyotes? :LOL:

LOL Honestly, I have no idea. I saw Redskins fans on reddit saying that and saying how that would make the name a good fit. They could be blowing smoke I don’t know.

Jul 13, 2020 16:15:03 GMT @theshow said:

Jul 13, 2020 15:17:07 GMT 🤯 said:

Since when are wolves "prominent in the region" of the greater Washington DC metro area?! Are you thinking of foxes or coyotes? :LOL:

LOL Honestly, I have no idea. I saw Redskins fans on reddit saying that and saying how that would make the name a good fit. They could be blowing smoke I don’t know.

I'm willing to bet a proper wolf hasn't been within a 100 mile radius of Washington D.C. since at least before Honest Abe took a bullet to the brain.

Red Wolf territory in North America per Wikipedia. You'd find as many Red Wolves in DC as you'd find Bobcats in Charlotte. :dunno:

Jul 13, 2020 16:23:12 GMT Blindy said:

Red Wolf territory in North America per Wikipedia. You'd find as many Red Wolves in DC as you'd find Bobcats in Charlotte. :dunno:

Yeah just did a Wikipedia search myself. Lol. I don’t know what to believe.

According to Dan Snyder, the preferred replacement name is tied up in a trademark fight. Currently, Arkansas State and Chattanooga Red Wolves FC are in a trademark fight over the Red Wolves name. There could be something there.

How many Giants names are there? New York Giants, the old New York/current San Francisco Giants, Yomiuri Giants of Nippon Baseball League.

How does a team own an animal as their name? The New York Jets should be suing the Winnipeg Jets if that's the case.

Jul 13, 2020 16:34:18 GMT Blindy said:

How many Giants names are there? New York Giants, the old New York/current San Francisco Giants, Yomiuri Giants of Nippon Baseball League.

How does a team own an animal as their name? The New York Jets should be suing the Winnipeg Jets if that's the case.

Here is the article regarding the Red Wolves name:

newschannel9.com/news/local/trademark-tussle-arkansas-college-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-chattanooga-red-wolves

That’s a good point though. Sports nicknames are duplicated or reused all the time.

Jul 13, 2020 16:23:12 GMT Blindy said:

Red Wolf territory in North America per Wikipedia. You'd find as many Red Wolves in DC as you'd find Bobcats in Charlotte. :dunno:

For a second I thought I'd accidentally clicked into the corona thread, and you were sharing a map of the virus spread thanks to all the "no masks needed!" mentality in the glorious South.

I get a Redwolf is a real animal and can even buy into the animal being 'from the area'. But this feels as little as a change as possible to appease the people calling for a name change while having it still sound as much as possble like the old name.

Red skins -> Red wolves. Same root word, same syllables, same pluralized word structure. And of all the animals they choose, they choose one that is very common in native american myths/archetypes.

It isn't a slur against a culture though to have an animal depicted. Wolves inhabit the whole world, different species belong to different parts. Minnesota rocks with the Timberwolves and no one would say that's some sort of homage to native americans.

They are going animal here over say RedTails because somehow that would be flipped decades later that it's depicted African American as as a commercialized, profited logo/mascot. It's a safe pick.

I just want the Burgundy and Gold to stay solid, those colors are one of a kind.