May 20, 2021 0:49:52 GMT @ness said:

Are musicians just dumb or out of touch with regular normies that listen to their stuff.

Beastie Boys said Fight for Your Right is a parody, but nobody got it and it essentially became their big radio hit. So it was either an amazing parody or the worst.

Nirvana's Rape Me is supposedly an anti-rape song that was written so blatant that it couldn't be argued about the meaning. But nobody really got that one either.

Just pretentious.

Why this thread?

May 20, 2021 2:06:52 GMT 🤯 said:

May 20, 2021 0:49:52 GMT @ness said:

Are musicians just dumb or out of touch with regular normies that listen to their stuff.

Beastie Boys said Fight for Your Right is a parody, but nobody got it and it essentially became their big radio hit. So it was either an amazing parody or the worst.

Nirvana's Rape Me is supposedly an anti-rape song that was written so blatant that it couldn't be argued about the meaning. But nobody really got that one either.

Just pretentious.

Why this thread?

I'm outta gummies.

May 20, 2021 2:12:59 GMT @ness said:

May 20, 2021 2:06:52 GMT 🤯 said:

Why this thread?

I'm outta gummies.

Now THERE'S/THAT'S the negative.

I'm worried about eventually encountering the same predicament after giving my dad one of my jars, knowing full well PA is anti-gummy for whatever odd reason.

I'll either eventually have to switch to tincture I guess, or else start muling.

Got the kiddo all pumped up for a weekend trip to KC, some fun stuff, hotel pool, Royals game, etc. and then she broke her arm yesterday. Bummer.

May 20, 2021 16:47:18 GMT mikec said:

Got the kiddo all pumped up for a weekend trip to KC, some fun stuff, hotel pool, Royals game, etc. and then she broke her arm yesterday. Bummer.

That's terrible. Hope she's doing ok.

May 20, 2021 16:47:18 GMT mikec said:

Got the kiddo all pumped up for a weekend trip to KC, some fun stuff, hotel pool, Royals game, etc. and then she broke her arm yesterday. Bummer.

Ah man. That's terrible. Sorry to hear that.

She’s ok, only thing she will really miss is the pool time and now she can’t really play her switch yet.

Taco Bell gave me a tiny chicken chalupa AND overcooked it. Might be why it was teeny tiny.

After I put them over hard too.

May 20, 2021 16:47:18 GMT mikec said:

Got the kiddo all pumped up for a weekend trip to KC, some fun stuff, hotel pool, Royals game, etc. and then she broke her arm yesterday. Bummer.

Oh no that's a big bummer for a kid.

Hope she heals soon. 

Get well soon little #HEEL!

May 20, 2021 22:05:30 GMT 🤯 said:

Get well soon little #HEEL!

She can be my little Cowboy Bob Orton.

May 20, 2021 23:02:18 GMT mikec said:

May 20, 2021 22:05:30 GMT 🤯 said:

Get well soon little #HEEL!

She can be my little Cowboy Bob Orton.

I've always pictured you as a Kansan (-_-) Roddy Piper, so I suppose that works perfectly!

May 20, 2021 16:47:18 GMT mikec said:

Got the kiddo all pumped up for a weekend trip to KC, some fun stuff, hotel pool, Royals game, etc. and then she broke her arm yesterday. Bummer.

That's awful mate, here's hoping for a speedy recovery.

Gf wants kids and marriage one day. I'm hesitant. Just got in a pseudo-argument about it, so that was fun.

It's not her; Morally I don't feel right bringing a child into this environment. As far as marriage, I don't want to be shackled to another individual legally by the state.

...hello anxiety.

Today's been a bad day altogether; No AC working in a factory and it was 96°. Manager is sabotaging my progress at work and has the rest of my co-workers wanting to leave.

Tl;dr: Some whiskey sounds nice right about now.

If you guys stay together after this, I would consider a vasectomy if you can find a doctor. Or take birth control into your own hands. If you truly don't want kids, make sure you take precautions if you weren't already this or any future gf. Once she's pregnant, if you're a decent human you really can't do anything at this point. Don't get to that point. Whiskey and gummies.

May 21, 2021 1:21:44 GMT rad said:

Gf wants kids and marriage one day. I'm hesitant. Just got in a pseudo-argument about it, so that was fun.

It's not her; Morally I don't feel right bringing a child into this environment. As far as marriage, I don't want to be shackled to another individual legally by the state.

...hello anxiety.

Today's been a bad day altogether; No AC working in a factory and it was 96°. Manager is sabotaging my progress at work and has the rest of my co-workers wanting to leave.

Tl;dr: Some whiskey sounds nice right about now.

Your arguments against kids and marriage are weak, but if you don’t want kids definitely don’t have them. They’re not easy and don’t deserve to be resented.

May 21, 2021 1:42:48 GMT mikec said:

May 21, 2021 1:21:44 GMT rad said:

Gf wants kids and marriage one day. I'm hesitant. Just got in a pseudo-argument about it, so that was fun.

It's not her; Morally I don't feel right bringing a child into this environment. As far as marriage, I don't want to be shackled to another individual legally by the state.

...hello anxiety.

Today's been a bad day altogether; No AC working in a factory and it was 96°. Manager is sabotaging my progress at work and has the rest of my co-workers wanting to leave.

Tl;dr: Some whiskey sounds nice right about now.

Your arguments against kids and marriage are weak, but if you don’t want kids definitely don’t have them. They’re not easy and don’t deserve to be resented.

Why are his arguments against having kids weak?

May 21, 2021 1:42:48 GMT mikec said:

May 21, 2021 1:21:44 GMT rad said:

Gf wants kids and marriage one day. I'm hesitant. Just got in a pseudo-argument about it, so that was fun.

It's not her; Morally I don't feel right bringing a child into this environment. As far as marriage, I don't want to be shackled to another individual legally by the state.

...hello anxiety.

Today's been a bad day altogether; No AC working in a factory and it was 96°. Manager is sabotaging my progress at work and has the rest of my co-workers wanting to leave.

Tl;dr: Some whiskey sounds nice right about now.

Your arguments against kids and marriage are weak, but if you don’t want kids definitely don’t have them. They’re not easy and don’t deserve to be resented.

How exactly is it weak? There's a lot more to it than just that. Did I strike a nerve because you're a parent?

I also don't know why you'd assume I'd automatically resent my potential children.

May 21, 2021 2:16:59 GMT rad said:

May 21, 2021 1:42:48 GMT mikec said:

Your arguments against kids and marriage are weak, but if you don’t want kids definitely don’t have them. They’re not easy and don’t deserve to be resented.

How exactly is it weak? There's a lot more to it than just that. Did I strike a nerve because you're a parent?

I also don't know why you'd assume I'd automatically resent my potential children.

“Morality of raising a kid in this environment” sounds like something an angsty teenager would say. I’d sure hope there’s a lot more to it than that. And maybe you were speaking more local, like your own particular home environment, that just didn’t come across.


But you’d have to do way more to touch a nerve about being a parent. I only have one, the minute you have one the pressure becomes to have two. I don’t want more than one, and that’s ok. And I couldn’t care less if you don’t have kids, in fact if I read my post right I’m strongly encouraging you to stand strong on that if it’s true. But using “the environment” makes it seem like “well I’d love to have a bundle of kids but these things I have no control of make it immoral”. And a marriage is what you make it, state sanction of it or not is pretty irreleavant to the experience.

If you touched any nerve, it’s that I have a lot of professional experience with kids that weren’t wanted. Resentment comes with the territory. I don’t know that you would or you wouldn’t, but it’s pretty natural to dislike something which is a lot of work that you didn’t want, it wasn’t an assumption on you, just human nature.

(I guess it’s a good time to add I’m a son to a man who didn’t really want kids and my wife is in the same boat, so I guess there’s that too?)

May 21, 2021 2:33:28 GMT mikec said:

May 21, 2021 2:16:59 GMT rad said:

How exactly is it weak? There's a lot more to it than just that. Did I strike a nerve because you're a parent?

I also don't know why you'd assume I'd automatically resent my potential children.

“Morality of raising a kid in this environment” sounds like something an angsty teenager would say. I’d sure hope there’s a lot more to it than that. And maybe you were speaking more local, like your own particular home environment, that just didn’t come across.


But you’d have to do way more to touch a nerve about being a parent. I only have one, the minute you have one the pressure becomes to have two. I don’t want more than one, and that’s ok. And I couldn’t care less if you don’t have kids, in fact if I read my post right I’m strongly encouraging you to stand strong on that if it’s true. But using “the environment” makes it seem like “well I’d love to have a bundle of kids but these things I have no control of make it immoral”. And a marriage is what you make it, state sanction of it or not is pretty irreleavant to the experience.

If you touched any nerve, it’s that I have a lot of professional experience with kids that weren’t wanted. Resentment comes with the territory. I don’t know that you would or you wouldn’t, but it’s pretty natural to dislike something which is a lot of work that you didn’t want, it wasn’t an assumption on you, just human nature.

Okay, I see where you're coming from now. Thank you for clarifying, considering what you do it makes a lot of sense why you responded how you did. Sorry for getting emotional and overreacting.

Pretty much how I feel in full:

My biological dad used to physically and mentally abuse my mom. She left him when I was 2 1/2 and married my dad when I was 4. I've never once raised my hand at a woman but the fear of becoming him is always in the back of my mind, even if I know I wouldn't do that - do I really know? Do I take that chance with a kid and marriage?

Environment still plays a factor for me. I don't exactly view it as "immoral" ("moral" wasn't the best choice of words for me to use) for someone to bring a kid into this world or even myself to do so, but it weighs heavy on the mind and heart knowing what bullshit could await them. And given our current political climate and Ohio fast becoming redder by the day, it is at least somewhat of a concern for me. But on the flip side, it'd be extremely gratifying and rewarding to raise a child who could potentially make the world a better place to live in.

I know that no one is ever prepared for children but what you're describing is what I wish to avoid. I know too many people who shouldn't have ever had kids.

Marriage I'll give you. I do love and trust her at the end of the day. I also watch way too many true crime videos on Youtube; just hearing "life insurance policy" makes me uneasy lol

May 21, 2021 2:33:28 GMT mikec said:

May 21, 2021 2:16:59 GMT rad said:

How exactly is it weak? There's a lot more to it than just that. Did I strike a nerve because you're a parent?

I also don't know why you'd assume I'd automatically resent my potential children.

“Morality of raising a kid in this environment” sounds like something an angsty teenager would say. I’d sure hope there’s a lot more to it than that. And maybe you were speaking more local, like your own particular home environment, that just didn’t come across.


But you’d have to do way more to touch a nerve about being a parent. I only have one, the minute you have one the pressure becomes to have two. I don’t want more than one, and that’s ok. And I couldn’t care less if you don’t have kids, in fact if I read my post right I’m strongly encouraging you to stand strong on that if it’s true. But using “the environment” makes it seem like “well I’d love to have a bundle of kids but these things I have no control of make it immoral”. And a marriage is what you make it, state sanction of it or not is pretty irreleavant to the experience.

If you touched any nerve, it’s that I have a lot of professional experience with kids that weren’t wanted. Resentment comes with the territory. I don’t know that you would or you wouldn’t, but it’s pretty natural to dislike something which is a lot of work that you didn’t want, it wasn’t an assumption on you, just human nature.

(I guess it’s a good time to add I’m a son to a man who didn’t really want kids and my wife is in the same boat, so I guess there’s that too?)

To follow on from mikec and his very good comments.
This idea about not bringing kids into the world as it stands currently is a total nonsense.
I thought long and hard about this when we put serious thought into having children.

Find me a window between WW1 and now when it was a "good time" to have children?
There's an old biblical proverb that goes something like this:

"He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap."

Life expectancy has never been higher, women don't die in childbirth anymore.
Education and opportunities are abundant.

I have seen the Reddit threads about people celebrating their vasectomies lest they bring a white male oppressor's into the world... Which is groupthink delusion.

As for marriage, people failing to make commitments is basically telling someone you don't care about them enough to make a commitment.
Whether marriage means something to you or not, soon as you deny marriage to someone, the relationship is probably going to die if they want it.

The biggest issue I see facing society these days, is that young people are not growing up.
It's absolutely embarrassing.
I hit my mid-40's officially yesterday, when I was young... 18-21 everyone used to party, drink on the weekends etc.
by 23 people got their crap together and focused on building a life... Now I see people that are 30 and literally children and it is a disgrace.

While I am teeing off, I am completely over this nonsense narrative of "Do what makes you happy" or "Follow your hear" as if someone's desires were somehow inherently pure.
I say instead.... DO THE RIGHT THING... AND BE HAPPY DOING IT

Excuse my bad typing, I have a shocking headache today.

[/boomer]

Today is the best time to be alive, ever. And tomorrow will be even better. People were cranking out kids during the Black Death, Ice Age, Crusades, and the Gathering of the Juggalos. To compare those times to today is comical.

May 21, 2021 2:59:24 GMT iNCY said:

May 21, 2021 2:33:28 GMT mikec said:

“Morality of raising a kid in this environment” sounds like something an angsty teenager would say. I’d sure hope there’s a lot more to it than that. And maybe you were speaking more local, like your own particular home environment, that just didn’t come across.


But you’d have to do way more to touch a nerve about being a parent. I only have one, the minute you have one the pressure becomes to have two. I don’t want more than one, and that’s ok. And I couldn’t care less if you don’t have kids, in fact if I read my post right I’m strongly encouraging you to stand strong on that if it’s true. But using “the environment” makes it seem like “well I’d love to have a bundle of kids but these things I have no control of make it immoral”. And a marriage is what you make it, state sanction of it or not is pretty irreleavant to the experience.

If you touched any nerve, it’s that I have a lot of professional experience with kids that weren’t wanted. Resentment comes with the territory. I don’t know that you would or you wouldn’t, but it’s pretty natural to dislike something which is a lot of work that you didn’t want, it wasn’t an assumption on you, just human nature.

(I guess it’s a good time to add I’m a son to a man who didn’t really want kids and my wife is in the same boat, so I guess there’s that too?)

To follow on from mikec and his very good comments.
This idea about not bringing kids into the world as it stands currently is a total nonsense.
I thought long and hard about this when we put serious thought into having children.

Find me a window between WW1 and now when it was a "good time" to have children?
There's an old biblical proverb that goes something like this:

"He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap."

Life expectancy has never been higher, women don't die in childbirth anymore.
Education and opportunities are abundant.

I have seen the Reddit threads about people celebrating their vasectomies lest they bring a white male oppressor's into the world... Which is groupthink delusion.

As for marriage, people failing to make commitments is basically telling someone you don't care about them enough to make a commitment.
Whether marriage means something to you or not, soon as you deny marriage to someone, the relationship is probably going to die if they want it.

The biggest issue I see facing society these days, is that young people are not growing up.
It's absolutely embarrassing.
I hit my mid-40's officially yesterday, when I was young... 18-21 everyone used to party, drink on the weekends etc.
by 23 people got their crap together and focused on building a life... Now I see people that are 30 and literally children and it is a disgrace.

While I am teeing off, I am completely over this nonsense narrative of "Do what makes you happy" or "Follow your hear" as if someone's desires were somehow inherently pure.
I say instead.... DO THE RIGHT THING... AND BE HAPPY DOING IT

Excuse my bad typing, I have a shocking headache today.

[/boomer]

The first part is valid. I guess no time will ever be a good time really when you put it that way.

I hope you know a lot of the left laughs at those people, too. They're absolute clowns. Woke Twitter/Reddit mobs are becoming our version of evangelicals lol.

The rest of this is just you being a self-aware grandpasaurus. Times change. Society changes.

Bad faith media probably also shaped your negative narrative of millennials. And judging by boomers/Gen X's behavior online and in person, I'd be VERY careful about who's calling who grown children these days.

Edit: And what's with the correlation? Can we not do what feels good AND what is right? You frame this as if the two are mutually exclusive, and as if my generation and zoomers are morally corrupt or devoid.

May 21, 2021 3:09:42 GMT Gyro LC said:

Today is the best time to be alive, ever. And tomorrow will be even better. People were cranking out kids during the Black Death, Ice Age, Crusades, and the Gathering of the Juggalos. To compare those times to today is comical.

Exactly this chief 👍

May 21, 2021 3:15:56 GMT rad said:

May 21, 2021 2:59:24 GMT iNCY said:

To follow on from mikec and his very good comments.
This idea about not bringing kids into the world as it stands currently is a total nonsense.
I thought long and hard about this when we put serious thought into having children.

Find me a window between WW1 and now when it was a "good time" to have children?
There's an old biblical proverb that goes something like this:

"He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap."

Life expectancy has never been higher, women don't die in childbirth anymore.
Education and opportunities are abundant.

I have seen the Reddit threads about people celebrating their vasectomies lest they bring a white male oppressor's into the world... Which is groupthink delusion.

As for marriage, people failing to make commitments is basically telling someone you don't care about them enough to make a commitment.
Whether marriage means something to you or not, soon as you deny marriage to someone, the relationship is probably going to die if they want it.

The biggest issue I see facing society these days, is that young people are not growing up.
It's absolutely embarrassing.
I hit my mid-40's officially yesterday, when I was young... 18-21 everyone used to party, drink on the weekends etc.
by 23 people got their crap together and focused on building a life... Now I see people that are 30 and literally children and it is a disgrace.

While I am teeing off, I am completely over this nonsense narrative of "Do what makes you happy" or "Follow your hear" as if someone's desires were somehow inherently pure.
I say instead.... DO THE RIGHT THING... AND BE HAPPY DOING IT

Excuse my bad typing, I have a shocking headache today.

[/boomer]

The first part is valid. I guess no time will ever be a good time really when you put it that way.

I hope you know a lot of the left laughs at those people, too. They're absolute clowns. Woke Twitter/Reddit mobs are becoming our version of evangelicals lol.

The rest of this is just you being a self-aware grandpasaurus. Times change. Society changes.

Bad faith media probably also shaped your negative narrative of millennials. And judging by boomers/Gen X's behavior online and in person, I'd be VERY careful about who's calling who grown children these days.

Not really, I own a business and I am frequently in customers factories and I see the issues facing employers today:
The first is the constant chorus of "I don't get paid to do that" which is true, you don't but until you can do it you never will be paid accordingly.
The second is the lack of initiative, I have one customer who employs people on trial and gives them a 15 minute job to do, but makes sure that there is a broom in the area, if they finish their job and pick up the broom to do some tidying up, he always employs them.
Very few people pick up the broom and instead get their phones out.

May 21, 2021 3:26:07 GMT iNCY said:

May 21, 2021 3:09:42 GMT Gyro LC said:

Today is the best time to be alive, ever. And tomorrow will be even better. People were cranking out kids during the Black Death, Ice Age, Crusades, and the Gathering of the Juggalos. To compare those times to today is comical.

Exactly this chief 👍

May 21, 2021 3:15:56 GMT rad said:

The first part is valid. I guess no time will ever be a good time really when you put it that way.

I hope you know a lot of the left laughs at those people, too. They're absolute clowns. Woke Twitter/Reddit mobs are becoming our version of evangelicals lol.

The rest of this is just you being a self-aware grandpasaurus. Times change. Society changes.

Bad faith media probably also shaped your negative narrative of millennials. And judging by boomers/Gen X's behavior online and in person, I'd be VERY careful about who's calling who grown children these days.

Not really, I own a business and I am frequently in customers factories and I see the issues facing employers today:
The first is the constant chorus of "I don't get paid to do that" which is true, you don't but until you can do it you never will be paid accordingly.
The second is the lack of initiative, I have one customer who employs people on trial and gives them a 15 minute job to do, but makes sure that there is a broom in the area, if they finish their job and pick up the broom to do some tidying up, he always employs them.
Very few people pick up the broom and instead get their phones out.

Easy solution *throws golf ball into the pond*: pull yourself up by your bootstraps and pay people a living wage.

Media talking points definitely play a part, one would be foolish not to admit it. Everyone with access to a television set or a mobile device plays a part in either digesting, spreading or dispelling media narratives, whether they be true or false.

Your own bias against the youth of today is already pretty evident, considering you seem to think we're all lazy and entitled regardless.

Imagine the 70's/80's with smartphones. You (more so those your age) would have pulled the same shit, I guarantee. To hold the youth to your standards is unrealistic.

I know it's called "The Negativity Thread" but I came here to open up to the community for constructive advice, not ridicule or an exposition of my intentions.

It's a life-altering decision. I'm human. I'm nervous, afraid and just trying to make sure I make the right decision. I can't be the only one who's felt this way before. I'm not a child, I just probably trust this place too much apparently.

May 21, 2021 3:48:16 GMT rad said:

May 21, 2021 3:26:07 GMT iNCY said:

Exactly this chief 👍

Not really, I own a business and I am frequently in customers factories and I see the issues facing employers today:
The first is the constant chorus of "I don't get paid to do that" which is true, you don't but until you can do it you never will be paid accordingly.
The second is the lack of initiative, I have one customer who employs people on trial and gives them a 15 minute job to do, but makes sure that there is a broom in the area, if they finish their job and pick up the broom to do some tidying up, he always employs them.
Very few people pick up the broom and instead get their phones out.

Easy solution *throws golf ball into the pond*: pull yourself up by your bootstraps and pay people a living wage.

Media talking points definitely play a part, one would be foolish not to admit it. Everyone with access to a television set or a mobile device plays a part in either digesting, spreading or dispelling media narratives, whether they be true or false.

Your own bias against the youth of today is already pretty evident, considering you seem to think we're all lazy and entitled regardless.

Imagine the 70's/80's with smartphones. You (more so those your age) would have pulled the same shit, I guarantee. To hold the youth to your standards is unrealistic.

Here's the thing that people have completely lost sight of:

YOU DESERVE NOITHING, I DESERVER NOTHING, NOBODY DESERVES ANYTHING

As I have said multiple times in multiple threads, we are all 100% victims of our own greed.
We ant to get everything for nothing, so people manufacture things that cost nothing in low-cost countries.

Go have a look at photos of your grandparent (Or because you're young, your great grandparent) house, they would have had nothing compared to most people these days.
VCR's came out when I was little but my parents didn't buy one until I was 12, people used to wait until they could afford things.
The world has gone to shit, everyone wants everything and it is all someone elses responsibility to give it to them and everyone wants everything now.

People want to some some sort of idiotic degree or smoke pot right through high school then cry that the red carpet isn't rolled out by prospective employers?
I frequently see people willing to have a crack make it... Even in simple jobs like a plumber or a machine operator.
The bar is so low that anyone that has a real crack can make a go of it.
This isn't some boomer-teir analysis, I see it every day.

Here's the really shocking thing, if we rolled out Socialism as the left wet dream would have it, nobody would have Netflix, an iPhone or order a meal on Uber Eats.

Hey rad I think concerns for the environment are perfectly valid reason to say no. Lack of healthcare, strife, rent too damn high, etc. is a good reason to not bring a life in it. Gov wants more kids but cuts programs and shocked pikachu face when people opt out. A lot of us can barely sustain ourselves. I'm sure 10k in tax credit helps but it ain't enough. You want to increase the births the gov can start the negotiation at national healthcare and ubi? No go? Then don't complain when people embrace being childfree.

Birth control is a very recent human thing minus pull out fingers crossed method. Humans follow the life script because "it's what ya do" and until this last generation never really thought about kids as an option.

Kids traps you to a person for life. Much more than marriage does. It's less of a choice in my case but if ya ever wanna pm regarding not having kids it's cool. Once someone has kids I don't think they can ever see the subject in an unbiased way.

May 21, 2021 11:17:32 GMT @ness said:

Hey rad I think concerns for the environment are perfectly valid reason to say no. Lack of healthcare, strife, rent too damn high, etc. is a good reason to not bring a life in it. Gov wants more kids but cuts programs and shocked pikachu face when people opt out. A lot of us can barely sustain ourselves. I'm sure 10k in tax credit helps but it ain't enough. You want to increase the births the gov can start the negotiation at national healthcare and ubi? No go? Then don't complain when people embrace being childfree.

Birth control is a very recent human thing minus pull out fingers crossed method. Humans follow the life script because "it's what ya do" and until this last generation never really thought about kids as an option.

Kids traps you to a person for life. Much more than marriage does. It's less of a choice in my case but if ya ever wanna pm regarding not having kids it's cool. Once someone has kids I don't think they can ever see the subject in an unbiased way.

You realise not having kids also gives you a bias?

That’s not environment, that’s not being financially ready to have a child, a reason adults use all the time.

To go back to start though, my comment was that if you don’t want kids don’t have them. The environment didn’t seem like a good reason for that, but rad provided more understandable reasons after. The only way in which my answer was adapted by having a kid is that I know they’re a lot of work.