Aug 22, 2020 23:13:34 GMT RT said:

Eddie Kingston forming a faction with Butcher, Blade, Pentagon Jr & Fenix just gave me the biggest fan fic boner.

I know huge HOLY SHIT moment IMO. Moreso in they have completely confidence in him as a mic guy too. Surreal to see him get respect like this outside of CHIKARA. But he can really do it all and should AEW wish, he has expressed interest in learning the backside of things as well. Everything I read says he is like the indie John Cena though and you pay him and treat him with respect and he is a loyal soldier. Seen some of the interviews with him talking about his matches and he straight out said, I did this because the promoter told me to do it and it was his call. No one says that.

Brodie looking good tonight too.  Shocked Cody's reign will be that short, but Brodie is a guy who you can build a division around.  He got over in CHIKARA without a gimmick or story, which is super rare for that company.  WWE really dropped the ball on him as he shown from day 1 in AEW.  He was one of the biggest guys AEW could land IMO as he has yet to peak, and gets better year by year still so they will get his best work.

Cody putting brodie Lee over huge. Great match, and great finish to the show for dark order.

I told all of you Cody was a lousy champion and that he was padding his record up against shlubs. Now look what's happened, he's lost the belt to Brodie Lee of all people. What a terrible turn of events, if I was Cody, I'd find the nearest hotel and chuck a tantrum on the floor.

And just when I thought the Dark Order couldn't be the dumbest collection of ingrates, Eddie Kingston goes ahead and forms a stable with The Butcher, The Blade and two luchadores who don't even understand basic concepts of tag team wrestling. I know some of you are obsessed with doing new version of Attitude Era stables, so you all better charge the company a consultancy fee because they straight up formed the New JOB squad.

At least they've found somebody for Shida. Thunder Rosa vs. Hikaru Shida, a definite Top 10 Family Feud esque Dream Match for yours truly. #2 would be Hikaru Shida vs. Jazz.

Ya'll know what my #1 is. Unfortunately the WWE already wasted their 2 Goldberg matches on Wyatt and Strowman. You can add that to the list of why 2020 sucks.

Aug 23, 2020 10:03:54 GMT Big Pete said:

I told all of you Cody was a lousy champion and that he was padding his record up against shlubs. Now look what's happened, he's lost the belt to Brodie Lee of all people. What a terrible turn of events, if I was Cody, I'd find the nearest hotel and chuck a tantrum on the floor.

And just when I thought the Dark Order couldn't be the dumbest collection of ingrates, Eddie Kingston goes ahead and forms a stable with The Butcher, The Blade and two luchadores who don't even understand basic concepts of tag team wrestling. I know some of you are obsessed with doing new version of Attitude Era stables, so you all better charge the company a consultancy fee because they straight up formed the New JOB squad.

At least they've found somebody for Shida. Thunder Rosa vs. Hikaru Shida, a definite Top 10 Family Feud esque Dream Match for yours truly. #2 would be Hikaru Shida vs. Jazz.

Ya'll know what my #1 is. Unfortunately the WWE already wasted their 2 Goldberg matches on Wyatt and Strowman. You can add that to the list of why 2020 sucks.

Cody didn't pad his record on shlubs. He beat a lot of shlubs who padded their record. It isn't his fault someone beat local talent, Stunt, and the Initiative for weeks on dark then fail to him.

Aug 23, 2020 10:03:54 GMT Big Pete said:

I told all of you Cody was a lousy champion and that he was padding his record up against shlubs. Now look what's happened, he's lost the belt to Brodie Lee of all people.

What do you mean, Brodie Lee of all people? You talk like he's some jabroni. The only wrestler in AEW who has put a dent in Lee's armour is Jon Moxley, the best wrestler in the company. Everyone else has been demolished by The Exalted One. I'm surprised Cody didn't put up more of a fight, but that goes to show the tremendous force of The Dark Order.

On a more serious note, Brodie Lee needed this win to give some credibility to The Dark Order. A loss would have ruined him and his stable. I was expecting a more competitive match, but kudos to Cody and the team for booking the match in that way.

Cody should have picked his opponents wisely, instead he whored himself to every shlub and got beaten by a librarian and the world's lamest cult.

Vince is seriously laughing his ass off right now.

HHH would be, but then his World Champion ended up seperating his shoulder, so he's just sipping on some IcoPro in his Ivory Tower.

What a dark day in Pro Wrestling.

Aug 23, 2020 13:27:10 GMT Big Pete said:

What a dark day in Pro Wrestling.

I don't know what you're smoking right now, and I certainly don't want to try it.

Unless that's a play on words and "dark day" is you praising The Dark Order in your own strange way...

What do you mean, Brodie Lee of all people?

I mean the only stable this guy belongs in is 'Born To Runner Up'. When he isn't busy learning how to fall off a 20 foot ladder, he's busy running these stupid cults and boring the masses with his idea of entertainment.

I will never put the Dark Order over. They're an embarrassment to this sport and anybody who associates with them has flushed their careers down the toilet. I used to respect Brodie Lee, I could forgive the error of his way and understand why he hitched his wagon on Bray. He sold his soul, but it was for the biggest break of his career, the exposure and to help improve tag team wrestling as best as he could.

What has he given us now? Lame beat-downs? Lame impressions? It's 2020, I've got all the time in the world and yet he still wastes it.

It's a shame too because I was going to thank whoever relieved Cody of this obligation and saved him from himself. However, it had to be Lee, the worst thing to happen to Dynamite. And that list includes Chuck Taylor. How do you sink lower than that?

The Dark Order are far from great, but I feel Brodie Lee has elevated the stable. They were directionless nobodies before. Now a few members of the stable are more than nobodies and the group has a vague semblance of direction. It's a start.

What they really need to do is tighten up the stable. Get rid of all the gimp mask wearers with no names. Reduce it to Brodie Lee, Evil Uno, Stu Grayson, Anna Jay, and the buff long-haired dude. Everyone else, take a hike. Then get Thunder Rosa in there too, she would be a nice fit.

I can't tell if Big Pete is trolling or not.

Last night's Dynamite was the best in a while. Probably best episode since the pandemic hit.

The decision to have Brodie Lee crush Cody was great, but they better run with it and not toss this aside like they have with other storylines/stables. Their inconsistency with stories and payoffs, and willingness to just toss ideas aside like they never happened, is AEW's biggest fault.

This is a tremendous opportunity to do a dark, cult stable properly, with their leader holding the prize and his minions protecting him at all turns. Something the WWE has failed to do multiple times, and they have a guy who saw it happen first hand with the title.

Aug 23, 2020 17:17:30 GMT RT said:

This is a tremendous opportunity to do a dark, cult stable properly, with their leader holding the prize and his minions protecting him at all turns. Something the WWE has failed to do multiple times, and they have a guy who saw it happen first hand with the title.

Cult? As compared to say, The Wyatt Family? The faction who launched Wyatt, Strowman and lifted Daniel Bryan into main event status.

Minions protecting the belt? DX, Evolution, The Authority, Undisputed Era.. neither idea WWE has failed at.

Even as a combination of the two, AEW aren't pioneering here, nor doing anything particularly well. Come on man..

Their biggest fault is that of all the ideas they've tossed aside, the Dark Order hasn't been one of them. Just a bunch of miscreants that nobody enjoyed watching and was just an excuse to put together an awful Vince McMahon impression. It maybe honestly worse than Nash's trainwreck of a segment on Nitro (look it up).

Nobody is going to sell the Dark Order as a threat and they don't fit the vibe of the company UNLESS you view the company in the same light as Cornette.

I was following along with your thoughts Umpy and was nodding along and really thought we were on the same wavelength. Except instead of suggesting they should bow out quietly and discretely you came up with that nonsense. Hopefully Tony Khan never reads that, otherwise you've just cost Rosa her entire career before her big money match with Asuka.

SOS Renee Good.

Your Dark Order hate is Cornette levels of irrational. They're not the greatest faction ever, but come on.

Watch Anna Jay flourish as she taps into her dark side. Starting by squashing Brandi Rhodes and embarrassing her out of her in-ring career.

TBH Dark Order isn't really working for me, either.

Unfair to say, but whatever Brodie's doing isn't quite landing. I can see how Raven's nihilism appeals to disaffected youth, I can see how Bray Wyatt preaches to those who feel they're held down by a machine they can't quite see or fully understand, but Brodie? He appeals to down-on-their-luck people but why would someone follow him?

It feels like watching a match where one wrestler is so invested in protecting his opponent he hits a legdrop where the leg is like four inches above the opponent's head and dude sells it anyway. I understand what was supposed to happen but it's just not working.

Yeah, I don't really get Brodie Lee either. Even though he is big and he is an athlete, everything else about him just screams 'average' to me. I know they're going for this cold, calm demeanour but he doesn't have the charisma to pull it off.

Aug 23, 2020 22:54:22 GMT Emperor said:

Your Dark Order hate is Cornette levels of irrational. They're not the greatest faction ever, but come on.

Watch Anna Jay flourish as she taps into her dark side. Starting by squashing Brandi Rhodes and embarrassing her out of her in-ring career.

That's what happens when you bring Rosa into it.

AEW fans love everything about the company except for the Dark Order. Ever since they debuted, it was the one angle that hasn't resonated and even when they've attempted to address the issues plaguing the stable fans have shown nothing but indifference to the group.

Brodie Lee was supposed to be one of the biggest signings in the company's history and he's really struggled to make an impact. I don't think aligning him with the Dark Order has helped him and while he's produced matches that fans have seemingly enjoyed they haven't blown people away like Omega/Page vs. Bucks or even Cassidy/PAC. They've really held off doing anything big with him, until now and it's difficult envisioning the narrative shifting. In fact dare I say this is purely being done to help build interest in Cody/Lee which I just can't see delivering. Cody has really come down to earth ever since Covid hit and while his reign has been received as well as could be expected, he doesn't project himself as a star like he once did.

If this had have been our first impression of Lee, I would have been all for it. But we're five months in, unless something drastic changes it'll go down as another miscue from AEW.

It's been so long since they've hit a home run. Ever since Revolution, it seems like they've just been going through the motions.

Their biggest mistake with Brodie Lee was having him challenge for the World title so early, and have him lose. They shouldn't have done that before this match.

If you take that away then I don't have any complaints. He's won all his other matches and when he got a shot at Tony Kahn's golden boy he straight up murdered him. I love it.

I still can't believe Harper got off the couch.

Aug 24, 2020 11:54:44 GMT Big Pete said:

Aug 23, 2020 22:54:22 GMT Emperor said:

Your Dark Order hate is Cornette levels of irrational. They're not the greatest faction ever, but come on.

Watch Anna Jay flourish as she taps into her dark side. Starting by squashing Brandi Rhodes and embarrassing her out of her in-ring career.

That's what happens when you bring Rosa into it.

AEW fans love everything about the company except for the Dark Order. Ever since they debuted, it was the one angle that hasn't resonated and even when they've attempted to address the issues plaguing the stable fans have shown nothing but indifference to the group.

Brodie Lee was supposed to be one of the biggest signings in the company's history and he's really struggled to make an impact. I don't think aligning him with the Dark Order has helped him and while he's produced matches that fans have seemingly enjoyed they haven't blown people away like Omega/Page vs. Bucks or even Cassidy/PAC. They've really held off doing anything big with him, until now and it's difficult envisioning the narrative shifting. In fact dare I say this is purely being done to help build interest in Cody/Lee which I just can't see delivering. Cody has really come down to earth ever since Covid hit and while his reign has been received as well as could be expected, he doesn't project himself as a star like he once did.

If this had have been our first impression of Lee, I would have been all for it. But we're five months in, unless something drastic changes it'll go down as another miscue from AEW.

It's been so long since they've hit a home run. Ever since Revolution, it seems like they've just been going through the motions.

AEW fans are getting behind Dark Order on BTE. Even asking for full episodes about them. I will admit to skimming though BTE to find the Dark Order segments now as well. I don't think there is anything on the show that is universal hated anymore.

Cody needs to being back his full entrance.

Aug 25, 2020 3:54:11 GMT X-zero said:

Aug 24, 2020 11:54:44 GMT Big Pete said:

That's what happens when you bring Rosa into it.

AEW fans love everything about the company except for the Dark Order. Ever since they debuted, it was the one angle that hasn't resonated and even when they've attempted to address the issues plaguing the stable fans have shown nothing but indifference to the group.

Brodie Lee was supposed to be one of the biggest signings in the company's history and he's really struggled to make an impact. I don't think aligning him with the Dark Order has helped him and while he's produced matches that fans have seemingly enjoyed they haven't blown people away like Omega/Page vs. Bucks or even Cassidy/PAC. They've really held off doing anything big with him, until now and it's difficult envisioning the narrative shifting. In fact dare I say this is purely being done to help build interest in Cody/Lee which I just can't see delivering. Cody has really come down to earth ever since Covid hit and while his reign has been received as well as could be expected, he doesn't project himself as a star like he once did.

If this had have been our first impression of Lee, I would have been all for it. But we're five months in, unless something drastic changes it'll go down as another miscue from AEW.

It's been so long since they've hit a home run. Ever since Revolution, it seems like they've just been going through the motions.

AEW fans are getting behind Dark Order on BTE. Even asking for full episodes about them. I will admit to skimming though BTE to find the Dark Order segments now as well. I don't think there is anything on the show that is universal hated anymore.

Cody needs to being back his full entrance.

Based on what I read, a small portion prefer that 'goofy' version as opposed to the more serious version that's on Dynamite.

BTE has it's fanbase and I think they've done a decent job of promoting themselves on YouTube. However, it's a love-hate show, especially if you're a fan that hates 'insider' or really 'goofy' sports entertainment.

The Madusa-Page-Omega skit would be a good example. I want NATH45's reaction.

Aug 25, 2020 11:06:55 GMT Big Pete said:

Aug 25, 2020 3:54:11 GMT X-zero said:

AEW fans are getting behind Dark Order on BTE. Even asking for full episodes about them. I will admit to skimming though BTE to find the Dark Order segments now as well. I don't think there is anything on the show that is universal hated anymore.

Cody needs to being back his full entrance.

Based on what I read, a small portion prefer that 'goofy' version as opposed to the more serious version that's on Dynamite.

BTE has it's fanbase and I think they've done a decent job of promoting themselves on YouTube. However, it's a love-hate show, especially if you're a fan that hates 'insider' or really 'goofy' sports entertainment.

The Madusa-Page-Omega skit would be a good example. I want NATH45's reaction.

Share the link, and I'll add to the list of reasons why they're killing the business.

Everyone is free to weigh in, we can have our own little skit review section.

And that is why I can't watch that whole show.

And that segment failed the Raw test.

Whoever is parsing these discussions out into their own threads deserves a mod medal!

Aug 25, 2020 12:17:21 GMT X-zero said:

And that segment failed the Raw test.

What's the Raw test?

Aug 25, 2020 12:20:58 GMT 🤯 said:

Whoever is parsing these discussions out into their own threads deserves a mod medal!

I'm going to guess it was the good doctor, but it was per instructions from hr.

It's something we want to do more of. Since the party threads were generating very little activity, we've gone for all these big catch-alls, but if an interesting discussion does pop up, we'll try and spotlight it.

@admin did the Cody Rhodes thread, and I am following his glorious example.

Aug 25, 2020 12:22:11 GMT Emperor said:

Aug 25, 2020 12:17:21 GMT X-zero said:

And that segment failed the Raw test.

What's the Raw test?

If a segment feels like it would fit perfectly on an episode of Raw, you probably shouldn't do it.

Something Cornette's co-host came up with that I found funny.

In the past, I've praised The Elite for their use of social media, especially the BTE series in building their brand and eventually launching AEW. 

In saying that, whatever that was with Madusa was the absolute shits.
If Jim Corrette loses a pint of blood ranting about how stupid AEW is, I won't blame him.

It's become painfully obvious that NJPW and ROH primarily did a stellar job of reigning in that bullshit where it mattered, because these guys are dorks. Absolute dorks. And it shows in their product. You can see that in the contrast between Chris 'The Painmaker' Jericho in NJPW and that bitter drunk Chris Jericho in AEW. And the notable contrast between Kenny Omega in NJPW and that nerd in AEW.. I could go on. 

So, ok.. when Trump says something completely idiotic, his base jumps up and down and says " oh, he meant that, he meant to say something stupid.. you're just not smart enough to get it "

Here's the thing with AEW, and you see this often in Facebook arguments.. AEW does something completely dumb, because stupid isn't the right word, it's dumb. EG; The Dark Order. The fan-base will reply " Oh, it's meant to be dumb.. you're just not smart enough to get it "

Oh, I get it. They're just being shit, ironically. Apparently.. 

It's ironic, there's a certain irony in being ironically ironic. Get your head around that and you might understand some of their creative process. These guys did build a career on being a parody. Especially The Bucks. 

Here's the best way to sum up AEW. 15 years ago, Chris Nolan would have watched all the Batman movies and thought " I can make it better " And made his Dark Knight trilogy. The Elite would have watched all the same movies and still found a way to make Batman & Robin worse.  

They need to hand the creative reigns over to someone who can do the job, and maybe even a Chief brand officer who isn't related to a VP and together take control over all internal media. I look at NXT as the leader in wrestling, in establishing it's own identify and culture as it nails this, when it would have been super easy to be just another WWE brand. The booking, the creative is spot on. The wrestling is undeniably good. The branding is modern and unique and it is more importantly, cool. Take cues from NXT. Not Russo-era TNA. And stop doing things to pop the nerd owner and get a rise out of Cornette.. 

Aug 25, 2020 11:06:55 GMT Big Pete said:

Aug 25, 2020 3:54:11 GMT X-zero said:

AEW fans are getting behind Dark Order on BTE. Even asking for full episodes about them. I will admit to skimming though BTE to find the Dark Order segments now as well. I don't think there is anything on the show that is universal hated anymore.

Cody needs to being back his full entrance.

Based on what I read, a small portion prefer that 'goofy' version as opposed to the more serious version that's on Dynamite.

BTE has it's fanbase and I think they've done a decent job of promoting themselves on YouTube. However, it's a love-hate show, especially if you're a fan that hates 'insider' or really 'goofy' sports entertainment.

Not sure if there are two different versions because the "goofy" version is bleeding into the "serious" version more and more. And I think they are assuming anyone who watches the show is watching BTE. Because if you don't the 6 lawnmowers didn't make much sense and the reason Brodie Lee keeps attacking Sliver and Uno.