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Post by UT on Aug 30, 2020 23:23:19 GMT
Discuss the Top 200 here!
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 12:23:58 GMT
Braveheart
Really surprised that this only finished 200 , thought for sure not only would it be in the Top 100 but possibly Top 50 so it was a bit of a surprise to see. Anyways for movies I've seen a ton I'm going to try a little bit different kind of review or post so I'm not just parroting every thought from the previous 99 threads and luckily even though it barely missed my list - I've still seen Braveheart a ton. Stealing a bit from Rewatchables for the categories with a few of my own.
Favorite scene:
There's a bunch of scenes that I could choose but that ending gives me goosebumps every time no matter how many times I watch it. It was either this or the Freedom speech.
Favorite Quote: "The Almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked." I think Stephen is hilarious and this scene gets me everytime. Yes there are more iconic quotes hence FREEEEEEEEEEDOM but I like this one.
What holds up: The story being change to being entertaining. Yes they switched it up but between that and the cinematography this movie is entertaining every time.
What doesn't hold up: Mel Gibson's personal life. It sucks that he will be forever linked to his extreme views and some of his movies are now going by the wayside. I get it and it sucks he decided to be a piece of shit.
Favorite side character: Brendan Gleason as Hamish.
Who's Mount Rushmore is this movie on? Mel Gibson's for sure , and I think everyone else involved in the movie. I'd have to take a deeper look at Gleason's filmography.
Who wins the movie? Mel Gibson - I mean he is the star and the director and won multiple Oscars and it's probably his one movie that is going to stand up to everything that happened since. Hard to really pick another winner.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 1, 2020 12:43:00 GMT
Oooo... I like this format for dropping thoughts. I might have to steal your stolen template, UT. For now though, since I'm too sleep-deprived and frustrated and hating work, I think I'll just have to echo what I likely posted before: Wife was stunned when it came up several years into our relationship that I'd never seen Braveheart. She'd seen it, loved it, and just assumed it was practically required viewing. So she has me watch it. I'm a big Mel Gibson fan, so I'm totally on board with giving it a go. At the time, Scotland was voting on its independence, so it felt relevant-ish too. All in, I remember feeling like a Braveheart felt looong and like it had an LOL ending... Especially considering the Scots had just voted "meh, pass" on their Freedom. Thinking back, I feel like I had a similar reaction to Braveheart as the English Patient. First, it was "well... that was long" — then second, "why do people love and hype THAT movie so much?!" In all fairness, I feel like I owe Braveheart a rewatch. Now knowing how removed from historical fact the actual story being presented is, I think I can be a lot easier on it in that sense and just enjoy it for the self-contained story it's telling through engrossing visuals. Maybe one day. But until then, 200 feels plenty fitting for me. What was the highest vote for it and it's point total?
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Post by Emperor on Sept 1, 2020 13:03:38 GMT
Never seen Braveheart, and it isn't really on my radar.
Brendan Gleeson being in the film is nice. He tends to be a supporting character so maybe this will be on his Mount Rushmore by virtue of being a huge film, but I can think of one film in my Top 100 in which he's a lead actor. Plus another film where he plays a very prominent character.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 13:08:26 GMT
I think you do owe it a rewatch , even as someone who generally dislikes long movies - this one feels a lot faster and is a good story with an all time protagonist. I don't see how anyone could consider that ending LOL - it's one of the handful of movie moments that can always get to me because you believe Gibson SO much as Wallace and can feel it.
Anyways -
Point total: 157 Highest vote was 46th but it made like 7 lists mostly which a handful were in the 40-60 range so it elevated it , with a few lower down to bump it into the 200 with a tie breaker.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 13:09:54 GMT
Never seen Braveheart, and it isn't really on my radar. Brendan Gleeson being in the film is nice. He tends to be a supporting character so maybe this will be on his Mount Rushmore by virtue of being a huge film, but I can think of one film in my Top 100 in which he's a lead actor. Plus another film where he plays a very prominent character. Why wouldn't it be on your radar , out of curiosity? I feel like you'd enjoy it , 🤯 is one of the few people on the planet that I've heard who vehemetely dislikes it.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 1, 2020 13:17:16 GMT
Never seen Braveheart, and it isn't really on my radar. Brendan Gleeson being in the film is nice. He tends to be a supporting character so maybe this will be on his Mount Rushmore by virtue of being a huge film, but I can think of one film in my Top 100 in which he's a lead actor. Plus another film where he plays a very prominent character. Why wouldn't it be on your radar , out of curiosity? I feel like you'd enjoy it , 🤯 is one of the few people on the planet that I've heard who vehemetely dislikes it. I don't know about vehemently. I said I'm open to a rewatch with a fresher pair of eyes and more open mind. If I was vehemently against it, that idea would be a non-starter.
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Post by PB on Sept 1, 2020 13:25:52 GMT
Whereas I don't know anyone in real life who likes Braveheart! I haven't seen it since I was a kid, so I can't really give an opinion on it, but it looks rubbish. Maybe I'll watch every film in the top 200 that I haven't seen as a project, and include ones like Braveheart that I've seen but can't really remember.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 13:28:04 GMT
Why wouldn't it be on your radar , out of curiosity? I feel like you'd enjoy it , 🤯 is one of the few people on the planet that I've heard who vehemetely dislikes it. I don't know about vehemently. I said I'm open to a rewatch with a fresher pair of eyes and more open mind. If I was vehemently against it, that idea would be a non-starter. Touche`. I guess I might of still let your past posts about it cloud my wording because I remember you going to town on it a few times.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 13:28:57 GMT
Whereas I don't know anyone in real life who likes Braveheart! I haven't seen it since I was a kid, so I can't really give an opinion on it, but it looks rubbish. Maybe I'll watch every film in the top 200 that I haven't seen as a project, and include ones like Braveheart that I've seen but can't really remember. Yeah do it! I want to see that! I also plan on watching as many movies as I can from this list , that I haven't seen before or haven't in forever.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 13:42:27 GMT
Shaun of the Dead on the other hand , can go fuck itself. Strongly dislike that movie - it would however make a list of my least favorite 100 movies of all time.
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Post by Strobe on Sept 1, 2020 13:53:38 GMT
Braveheart was #189 for me, so did not make my list and not far off where it finished here.
It is not close to being historically accurate but that doesn't matter. I'd always rather have an entertaining film and then I can read about the reality later if I wish.
The cast are great and Gibson himself has such star appeal and charm in the lead role. It looks great and the battle scenes are fantastic. Iconic visuals. Iconic lines. It almost verges into melodrama at times, but in a way that works. It takes itself seriously but also has fun.
It is a big, sprawling epic in the best way. You've got the story, the characters, the action, the romance, the heart, the violence and...
Unfortunately, the homophobia. This is the aspect of the film that does not hold up. Edward II is portrayed as weak and incompetent, as if it is because he is a homosexual, and his gay lover is tossed out the window in a manner that is designed to elicit laughs. It definitely feels like Gibson's views are being displayed on the screen.
I had another Gibson-directed film almost make my list with the incredible Apocalypto at #102. I've heard really good things about Hacksaw Ridge as well. He's actually only directed 5 films total, the others being The Man Without a Face and The Passion of the Christ, neither of which I've seen.
This would definitely be on Gleeson's Mount Rushmore.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 13:58:58 GMT
Good call on the homophobia not holding up , that probably should have been it.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 14:02:29 GMT
Good call on the homophobia not holding up , that probably should have been it. Actually no I think it’s Gibson. They are sort of hand in hand though - but you can’t mention Gibson these days without the fact he’s an insane bigot.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 1, 2020 14:07:27 GMT
I don't know about vehemently. I said I'm open to a rewatch with a fresher pair of eyes and more open mind. If I was vehemently against it, that idea would be a non-starter. Touche`. I guess I might of still let your past posts about it cloud my wording because I remember you going to town on it a few times. I was probably worked up into a spiteful frenzy at the time by one of thereallt's classic disagreeable takes. Or Lionheart posting some pseudo intellectual bullshit.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 1, 2020 14:14:04 GMT
Braveheart was #189 for me, so did not make my list and not far off where it finished here. It is not close to being historically accurate but that doesn't matter. I'd always rather have an entertaining film and then I can read about the reality later if I wish. The cast are great and Gibson himself has such star appeal and charm in the lead role. It looks great and the battle scenes are fantastic. Iconic visuals. Iconic lines. It almost verges into melodrama at times, but in a way that works. It takes itself seriously but also has fun. It is a big, sprawling epic in the best way. You've got the story, the characters, the action, the romance, the heart, the violence and... Unfortunately, the homophobia. This is the aspect of the film that does not hold up. Edward II is portrayed as weak and incompetent, as if it is because he is a homosexual, and his gay lover is tossed out the window in a manner that is designed to elicit laughs. It definitely feels like Gibson's views are being displayed on the screen. I had another Gibson-directed film almost make my list with the incredible Apocalypto at #102. I've heard really good things about Hacksaw Ridge as well. He's actually only directed 5 films total, the others being The Man Without a Face and The Passion of the Christ, neither of which I've seen. This would definitely be on Gleeson's Mount Rushmore. Hacksaw Ridge was just... OK. I haven't seen Christ or Face, but I'd go Apocalypto gap Braveheart wider gap Hacksaw. Also, IMO, Gleeson's Mt. Rushmore has to be: - In Bruges - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Michael Collins - The Guard Braveheart and Gangs of New York maybe to replace Michael Collins and The Guard if you want more main stream representation?
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Post by Strobe on Sept 1, 2020 14:15:16 GMT
Shaun of the Dead was closer than Braveheart to making it for me at #122.
Fantastic concept wonderfully executed. Fantastic script wonderfully acted. Great characters, great lines, so much set up and pay off, full of shitloads of references and all with a great stylistic flair.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 14:18:09 GMT
Braveheart was #189 for me, so did not make my list and not far off where it finished here. It is not close to being historically accurate but that doesn't matter. I'd always rather have an entertaining film and then I can read about the reality later if I wish. The cast are great and Gibson himself has such star appeal and charm in the lead role. It looks great and the battle scenes are fantastic. Iconic visuals. Iconic lines. It almost verges into melodrama at times, but in a way that works. It takes itself seriously but also has fun. It is a big, sprawling epic in the best way. You've got the story, the characters, the action, the romance, the heart, the violence and... Unfortunately, the homophobia. This is the aspect of the film that does not hold up. Edward II is portrayed as weak and incompetent, as if it is because he is a homosexual, and his gay lover is tossed out the window in a manner that is designed to elicit laughs. It definitely feels like Gibson's views are being displayed on the screen. I had another Gibson-directed film almost make my list with the incredible Apocalypto at #102. I've heard really good things about Hacksaw Ridge as well. He's actually only directed 5 films total, the others being The Man Without a Face and The Passion of the Christ, neither of which I've seen. This would definitely be on Gleeson's Mount Rushmore. Hacksaw Ridge was just... OK. I haven't seen Christ or Face, but I'd go Apocalypto gap Braveheart wider gap Hacksaw. Also, IMO, Gleeson's Mt. Rushmore has to be: - In Bruges - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Michael Collins - The Guard Braveheart and Gangs of New York maybe to replace Michael Collins and The Guard if you want more main stream representation? Nah those two movies ain’t enough to knock Braveheart off the list. He is great in Braveheart.
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Post by iron maiden on Sept 1, 2020 14:22:19 GMT
I knew I'd forget a few movies and this was one of them. It remains a favorite of mine but not one I rewatch often. I would have ranked it in the 60's.
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Post by PB on Sept 1, 2020 14:50:25 GMT
Shaun of the Dead is truly excellent. It didn't make my list but would probably make a top 200. It's paced so well and never feels like it's dragging, it's almost like you're trying to keep up with it. It's hilarious. It's obviously more British in its humour and cultural touchpoints, so I can understand why someone like UT, wouldn't find it funny. And the don't stop me know scene is one of the most rewatchable scenes in cinema history - just brilliant.
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Post by Ness on Sept 1, 2020 14:51:10 GMT
STORYTIME WITH NESS: DAD IS A WANK PHEASANT
So growing up we were not allowed to watch rated r movies. I'm about to turn 36 and I'm probably still not! We weren't a super religious family or anything weird like that, but that was his thing.
One of his favorite movies was Braveheart. Is it rated r? Has to otherwise this story makes no sense. So I had a friend in 6th grade, think he was in 8th grade. He learned we had a copy (recorded on VHS) of it and wanted to borrow it. Dad didn't really want to, but I convinced him. I think maybe he was hesitant since he wouldn't even let me watch. No idea how this friend learned we had it. Maybe he mentioned it and I said yeah Dad has it.
Months go by and Dad wants it back. Ask said friend and he says he hasn't finished it. The fuck you been doing? When I borrowed shit I treat it like Blockbuster... I have it for a few days and return it. We get in a fight and he starts avoiding me. He's in high school at this point so he's never home.
I'm friends with his younger brother who agreed he's a dick and never understood why we hung out. One day I'm at his house with the younger brother and decide fuck you and go in his room and take it back and never loaned anything out again.
So yeah never seen Braveheart.
FUCK I FORGOT DRAGONHEART!!!
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 1, 2020 14:56:46 GMT
Never seen Sean of the Dead, which feels weird. Wife and I dug Walking Dead and Zombieland, and we dug Paul and Monty Python and the Holy Grail, so you'd think we'd have at least been curious at some point to check out the mashup that surely is SotD. But nope! Part of me is afraid it won't live up to the hype. It's fanboys suck its dick so hard it's hard for the spite monster in me not to get riled up. But! In the spirit of open-mindedness, interested in giving this a shot.
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Post by JTJ on Sept 1, 2020 15:03:54 GMT
Didn't have either on my list. I've seen both. Of the two, Braveheart is more down my alley of movies. It has a real epic feel to it. Gibson does such a terrific job in it. The only problem I have with it is, it's just not a movie I want to re-watch. I've seen it two or three times (back when on demand wasn't a thing and you basically got whatever was on television) and I'm good for the rest of my life. Maybe one day I'll want to sit down with the kiddos and show them. But otherwise it's just a good solid movie. But definitely not a top 100 movie for me. Shaun of the Dead was just terrible in every possible way. Even back when I thought zombie movies were cool, which I'll admit today.. they're not, I still thought it was tame and not that good. It's like Zombieland if you remove the humor, Dawn of the Dead if you remove the cool action. Not to mention, it spawned demand for these two dudes to keep working together and I just don't see the connection.
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Post by RT on Sept 1, 2020 15:12:25 GMT
Never seen Sean of the Dead, which feels weird. Wife and I dug Walking Dead and Zombieland, and we dug Paul and Monty Python and the Holy Grail, so you'd think we'd have at least been curious at some point to check out the mashup that surely is SotD. But nope! Part of me is afraid it won't live up to the hype. It's fanboys suck its dick so hard it's hard for the spite monster in me not to get riled up. But! In the spirit of open-mindedness, interested in giving this a shot. Edgar Wright/Simon Pegg/Nick Frost fan boys tend to like Hot Fuzz more. ... UT wrong as usual about awesome comedies. #9 - Shaun of the Dead #59 - BraveheartThat's two off my list already, but I'm not surprised. My list is pretty cliche. I expect most of it will be in the 125-200 range, then you won't hear from me again until like the top 20.
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Post by RT on Sept 1, 2020 15:19:34 GMT
I doubt I'll do many deep dives considering how immense this list and discussion is going to be, but since we already hit one of my top ten I'll throw down my thoughts quickly.
Shaun of the Dead is one of the best comedies ever made. Not only is it just funny in general, but it captures the dry-yet-absurd British humor that many people (myself included) absolutely love. Shows like The IT Crowd, Fawlty Towers, Black Books, The Office, etc are good examples of the kind of humor you'll find in Shaun of the Dead.
The team of Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg and Nick Frost could do no wrong during this brief period of time they were together. The End of the World left a lot to be desired but their first two hits were great, and the show Spaced was a great pre-cursor to what they were going to achieve together.
The movie is insanely fun to watch, has great continuity, lots of laughs, and towards the end briefly turns in to a pretty intense horror film before wrapping up nicely.
When making my list I put a lot of emphasis on re-watchability on my top 15-20 movies because outside of my top 4 or 5, I couldn't decide how to rank them. We're talking my very favourite movies of all-time here. Shaun of the Dead ranked very high in that criteria for me, because it's definitely one of my top "stop what you're doing and watch this," any time the opportunity arises.
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Post by Emperor on Sept 1, 2020 15:20:34 GMT
UT , you didn't submit your own Top 100 list? What the hell? I will never understand the Simon Pegg/Nick Frost brand of comedy. It isn't funny. It's boring shite. Hot Fuzz is the worst of the lot. Shaun and the Dead and World's End are tolerable. Not actively unpleasant, but I've sat through both movies (SotD twice) and barely cracked a smile. The ridiculous hype around Shaun of the Dead in the UK turns me against it even more, as 🤯 alluded to. Why wouldn't it be on your radar , out of curiosity? I feel like you'd enjoy it , 🤯 is one of the few people on the planet that I've heard who vehemetely dislikes it. Good question. I guess the prospect of watching a long historical movie does not appeal to me. But when I really think about it, I have to admit it's probably the kind of film I'd enjoy, especially since it appears to be a dramatised epic rather than some drab factual retelling. Also, IMO, Gleeson's Mt. Rushmore has to be: - In Bruges - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Michael Collins - The Guard Braveheart and Gangs of New York maybe to replace Michael Collins and The Guard if you want more main stream representation? In Bruges and Harry Potter for sure. Not seen Michael Collins and The Guard. Definitely need to check those out.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 15:21:05 GMT
Never seen Sean of the Dead, which feels weird. Wife and I dug Walking Dead and Zombieland, and we dug Paul and Monty Python and the Holy Grail, so you'd think we'd have at least been curious at some point to check out the mashup that surely is SotD. But nope! Part of me is afraid it won't live up to the hype. It's fanboys suck its dick so hard it's hard for the spite monster in me not to get riled up. But! In the spirit of open-mindedness, interested in giving this a shot. Edgar Wright/Simon Pegg/Nick Frost fan boys tend to like Hot Fuzz more. ... UT wrong as usual about awesome comedies. #9 - Shaun of the Dead #59 - BraveheartThat's two off my list already, but I'm not surprised. My list is pretty cliche. I expect most of it will be in the 125-200 range, then you won't hear from me again until like the top 20. JTJ is spot on , that man knows his movies. I think seemingly making a mockery of one of my favorite sub genres has something to do with it , along with what PB said about its British sensibilities in humor.
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Post by UT on Sept 1, 2020 15:22:31 GMT
UT , you didn't submit your own Top 100 list? What the hell? I will never understand the Simon Pegg/Nick Frost brand of comedy. It isn't funny. It's boring shite. Hot Fuzz is the worst of the lot. Shaun and the Dead and World's End are tolerable. Not actively unpleasant, but I've sat through both movies (SotD twice) and barely cracked a smile. The riduclous hype around Shaun of the Dead in the UK turns me against it even more, as 🤯 alluded to. Why wouldn't it be on your radar , out of curiosity? I feel like you'd enjoy it , 🤯 is one of the few people on the planet that I've heard who vehemetely dislikes it. Good question. I guess the prospect of watching a long historical epic does not appeal to me. But when I really think about it, I have to admit it's probably the kind of film I'd enjoy, especially since it appears to be a dramatised epic rather than some drab factual retelling. Also, IMO, Gleeson's Mt. Rushmore has to be: - In Bruges - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Michael Collins - The Guard Braveheart and Gangs of New York maybe to replace Michael Collins and The Guard if you want more main stream representation? In Bruges and Harry Potter for sure. Not seen Michael Collins and The Guard. Definitely need to check those out. I did. I meant I missed a list along the way - think it was pre 50s (that you picked!) and I couldn’t quite get to 10 in time. And yes as someone who doesn’t care for epics , Braveheart is more of a pseudo epic. Not a slog like the bunch of them.
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Post by 🤯 on Sept 1, 2020 15:50:54 GMT
We should've done an epics countdown somewhere along the way!
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Post by PB on Sept 1, 2020 15:53:12 GMT
UT , you didn't submit your own Top 100 list? What the hell? I will never understand the Simon Pegg/Nick Frost brand of comedy. It isn't funny. It's boring shite. Hot Fuzz is the worst of the lot. Shaun and the Dead and World's End are tolerable. Not actively unpleasant, but I've sat through both movies (SotD twice) and barely cracked a smile. The ridiculous hype around Shaun of the Dead in the UK turns me against it even more, as 🤯 alluded to. Why wouldn't it be on your radar , out of curiosity? I feel like you'd enjoy it , 🤯 is one of the few people on the planet that I've heard who vehemetely dislikes it. Good question. I guess the prospect of watching a long historical movie does not appeal to me. But when I really think about it, I have to admit it's probably the kind of film I'd enjoy, especially since it appears to be a dramatised epic rather than some drab factual retelling. Also, IMO, Gleeson's Mt. Rushmore has to be: - In Bruges - Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Michael Collins - The Guard Braveheart and Gangs of New York maybe to replace Michael Collins and The Guard if you want more main stream representation? In Bruges and Harry Potter for sure. Not seen Michael Collins and The Guard. Definitely need to check those out. Calvary has to be on Gleeson's Mount Rushmore. I'd highly recommend it. Fantastically dark and probably his best performance. He got a little Oscar buzz when it came out but it was too obscure and Irish for people to really notice it. www.imdb.com/title/tt2234003/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
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