mobile.twitter.com/IAmCharlesChase this guy posts some fun dark order videos...

So nath, it is somehow bad because aew allowed guys that had connections or relatives from pre aew to continue to be factions and/or tag teams? Oh my lord how dare they. Surely you don't expect a company to start with only singles wrestlers at the start and create a tag team division from scratch.

Sept 18, 2020 16:16:16 GMT nazzer said:

mobile.twitter.com/IAmCharlesChase this guy posts some fun dark order videos...

So nath, it is somehow bad because aew allowed guys that had connections or relatives from pre aew to continue to be factions and/or tag teams? Oh my lord how dare they. Surely you don't expect a company to start with only singles wrestlers at the start and create a tag team division from scratch.

Correct me if I'm wrong NATH45 but it sounds like he's saying those stables are fine because they have history. Elite and SCU existed long before AEW.

I don't agree with Nightmare Family though. That stable makes perfect sense for why they are together. They took a messy way of getting there (Brandi's short-lived women stable was fucking dumb), but it works.

Dark Order just suffers from poor booking. They haven't looked like a threat until very recently, and they had lots of opportunities to make them look like more of a threat and just dropped the ball.

I don't have a problem with lots of stables no matter the reason. It makes booking easier, and if your main complaint is that they're looking for more ways to make money, well, I don't know what to say to that. Wrestlers and companies finding more ways to make money is just how it works. You can't fault them for trying to make a good living.

Sept 18, 2020 5:20:24 GMT Big Pete said:

Sept 18, 2020 4:30:40 GMT nazzer said:

Has the guy that threw all the terrible punches been seen since then?

Has your opinion changed on the dark order since Brodie Lee came along? Sure there was some rough patches, but things change and evolve and get better right. I thought Lee destroying Cody for the TNT title, followed by the beatdown of the nightmare family was awesome (Anna Jay choking out Brandi was so good)

I'm pretty sure he was also the guy who drove the white hummer and also hacked SmackDown there for a moment.

Obviously not for me personally, but at least the goofy presentation fits in with the rest of the show. I still find it difficult to get invested since their latest run seems destined to end with Cody coming back and regaining his title (possibly due to Cabana) so I'm just sitting here waiting until that takes place.

They weren't the only lowlight. The women's division was and still a pretty lowlight. And since we are on the subject of bad stables remember the Nightmare Collective?

When I said show, I meant on Double Or Nothing which everything else from memory was received well. This was back when we thought Kylie Rae was going to be the face of the division and the 6-Woman Tag match was a perfectly OK mid-card bout from memory. The women only started copping heat when Emi Sakura was getting 10 minute matches on TV and of course the Nightmare Collective were actively ruining matches. Yes, the Nightmare Collective sucks and Brandi is still taking up way too much screentime.

When you said show, I thought you meant it as a generic term AEW not the specific show of Double or Nothing. And I think they they starting gaining heat after the tag match were Britt got a concussion in an opening tag match or the women's casino battle royale. And Riho as a champion. You might could stretch that if she was a heel and cheated to win but having someone that won clean that looked like some jr high girls could whoop her was really bad.

There's an episode of Family Guy, where they address the random cut scenes with bingo balls being drawn with names, places and scenarios, etc. It could have been South Park taking a shot, or The Simpsons..  I can't remember. 

AEW's new stables are kind of like that. 



Matt : " Ball one says, PAC. Ball 2 says, Lucha Brothers. " 

Cody : " Now Matt, draw from the random name barrel.. bought to you by Cracker Barrel " *thumbs up* 

Matt : " Death Triangle!! "

Cody : " Bingo balls, you done it again! 

*high fives* " These Happy Days are yours and mine... " 



All I'm saying RT , is AEW could better focus on the 'why' things happen, rather than just doing something and putting a stupid label on it. I do hold these dweebs to a higher account than main roster WWE, because I expected so much more. And it upsets me. 

This week's episode of being the dark order was so good. (Dont be confused by the name being the elite) dark order are the stars of the show.

This week we saw Anna Jay on multiple segments. Not sure what where we're going with her, but she seems to be the head bitch on charge of all the men on the group so that's something. John silver and Alex Reynolds did the classic two men in a trenchcoat to impersonate brodie Lee, and I thought it was spot on. Fucking hilarious, nearly fell off my treadmill. Maybe silver was able to do such a good impression because hik and Alex had got all the bad ones out of the way earlier. They tried to get Britt Baker to bring them muffins, because she's a Baker and all that. When britt told them she's a dentist silver totally no sold it, because the dark order has a dental plan. So for all you pricks that dont understand why someone would be in yue dark order (talking to you nath), they've got a fuçking dental plan.
Trent's mom came and threw the papers at silver after brodie lied and said he didn't like her cookies (brodie really is a terribly abusive boss), she missed but brodie made John sell for her. Fucking gold.
Stu was telling uno that he wanted to kill silver for what he did last week, but a combination of too much paperwork and Anna Jay distracting stu made him forget about. I think something may be percolating with stu and Anna.
The dark order have quite a set up backstage at dalys place. Other than having an abusive leader there seem to be a lot of perks to being in the dark order.

Dont worry, I will try and be sure to update here next week after the 'being the dark order" episode drops on YouTube.

Sept 23, 2020 4:01:03 GMT nazzer said:

This week's episode of being the dark order was so good. (Dont be confused by the name being the elite) dark order are the stars of the show.

This week we saw Anna Jay on multiple segments. Not sure what where we're going with her, but she seems to be the head bitch on charge of all the men on the group so that's something. John silver and Alex Reynolds did the classic two men in a trenchcoat to impersonate brodie Lee, and I thought it was spot on. Fucking hilarious, nearly fell off my treadmill. Maybe silver was able to do such a good impression because hik and Alex had got all the bad ones out of the way earlier. They tried to get Britt Baker to bring them muffins, because she's a Baker and all that. When britt told them she's a dentist silver totally no sold it, because the dark order has a dental plan. So for all you pricks that dont understand why someone would be in yue dark order (talking to you nath), they've got a fuçking dental plan.
Trent's mom came and threw the papers at silver after brodie lied and said he didn't like her cookies (brodie really is a terribly abusive boss), she missed but brodie made John sell for her. Fucking gold.
Stu was telling uno that he wanted to kill silver for what he did last week, but a combination of too much paperwork and Anna Jay distracting stu made him forget about. I think something may be percolating with stu and Anna.
The dark order have quite a set up backstage at dalys place. Other than having an abusive leader there seem to be a lot of perks to being in the dark order.

Dont worry, I will try and be sure to update here next week after the 'being the dark order" episode drops on YouTube.

I missed the news report on BTDO from last week. Why was Anna jay just hanging out in the men's restroom?

X-zero, you must be confused. It isn't the "men's restroom" it is the "dark order restroom". they have their own lounge area with leather booths, bar, and sweet curtains, of course they have their own private restroom. It wasn't weird at all that Anna Jay was hanging out fistbumping the crew as they came in. Maybe she was in cahoots with silver and reynolds in their attempt to frame Stoooo. Some odd interactions with Stu and Anna Jay, maybe we're slow burning to Stu being Anna Jay's sub or something.

Sept 23, 2020 5:38:12 GMT nazzer said:

X-zero , you must be confused. It isn't the "men's restroom" it is the "dark order restroom". they have their own lounge area with leather booths, bar, and sweet curtains, of course they have their own private restroom. It wasn't weird at all that Anna Jay was hanging out fistbumping the crew as they came in. Maybe she was in cahoots with silver and reynolds in their attempt to frame Stoooo. Some odd interactions with Stu and Anna Jay, maybe we're slow burning to Stu being Anna Jay's sub or something.

I knew you would have a good explanation for that.

Think one big difference in whether you like or hate the Dark Order is watching Being the Elite. In AEW proper they are not well used, but when mixed with Being the Elite, they are so much better.

I love that AEW can move basically all of their backstage segments off the air with BtE. It is a really smart move that WWE should have copied.

It's an interesting concept, but not executed that well, because they reference BTE on TV fairly often. So a large portion of fans who don't want to waste their time with a goofy YouTube show miss out.

Pretty weak episode of Being the Dark Order this week. Started with like 10 minutes of some whiny child breaking a computer, dude seems upset about losing a friend, but he treated him like shit so what did he expect?

Stu's still trying to kill Silver, even tried to trick Uno into giving him permission to do it, but the Queen Slayer stepped in and put a stop to that nonsense.

Later, when the whole gang (except for Alex because he was at fencing camp) was singing the 'brodie lee is awesome song' Brodie interupted and gave them shit like the rude boss he is. And we learned that Brodie doesn't give a shit when Silver is hungry, what a jerk. Anna Jay was not amused, and just laid out Stu.

Silver beat the shit out of Brandon Cutler. Fuck cutler, I guess we know that even though Silver eats some losses in tag action, he's better than the worst wrestler in the company

" chaos project " anyone..

Sept 18, 2020 5:28:26 GMT NATH45 said:

Organic in storytelling maybe. 

nazzer , most of these examples serve some of most inorganic, obvious tropes in wrestling. These can be established on day one of a new promotion without any real storytelling behind them.

ie; related = tag team, stable ( Nightmare Family, Gunn Club, Bucks ) same home town = tag team, stable. ( Kiss/Janella, SCU ) foreigners/gaijin = tag team, stable ( The Elite ) 

These work well on a smaller scale, ie; the independents and you also see this in the early stages of most careers. Because it's an easy sell when continuity isn't important (yet), or exposure is limited (lower-card), or especially when working independents without regularly scheduled programming. You're selling an 'act' rather than an angle or storyline. Similarly, Joey Ryan was an act that didn't rely on context or depth, meaning he could work it anywhere without a story to drive it or logic behind it. The Elite were an act on the American independents (it was a shtick, a routine..), although they served part of a greater storyline in NJPW.

But when you're producing an episodic program, it should work in the opposite way. Two or more workers should be coming together with reason or motive usually a common goal or interest or common enemy or threat. Think focusing on the origin story, rather than jumping straight into a name, t-shirt line without any real substance behind it. 

If it is more an arms race more than anything else with AEW. Sell that threat. Yet, AEW's tone is completely off - if they were selling the idea of civil war or the viewer could sense the threat of not being part of a stable ie; survival. Sure, I'd understand the excessive number of factions. 

Honestly, AEW could fire half it's roster and still have the same product. 

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. People teaming together because they are in the same family or from the same home town or have a common nationality or shared outsider mentality from being foreigners are normal things and how groups in real life often form. I get that you are saying they are "easy" options but they are easy because they are realistic. If you are saying it would be better to have backstories that established all of the teams and made you feel more connected with them on the actual show, I don't think anyone disagrees that wouldn't be nice to have...but it's definitely not necessary. And honestly, considering how bad AEW is at storylines thus far...we should probably be counting ourselves lucky that we didn't have to sit through any backstories for these teams that would have taken up TV time.

Yes, it is episodic, but at the end of the day it's still a wrestling program and having pre-existing or otherwise natural teams without promos establishing them is pretty darn normal for a wrestling show. It's easy to believe that Pac decided to team up with the Lucha Bros because they're all malevolent jerks. I'd rather watch them beat the shit out of people in a match than see promos of them plotting together.

Saying they are just trying to sell T-shirts is probably half-true on some level, but a bit unfair because that's kind of just expected for the company to thrive. And clearly they do have some actual passion involved. AEW has plenty of real problems, but this is a bit of a nitpicky issue to have.