It's as if they're doing things to upset me.

Imagine if that singalong was on RAW, the critics would lose their minds. And didn't Tommy Dreamer do a brief Jackass gimmick in 2002?

AEW's defense shill Dave Meltzer was comparing that to Elias doing a concert singalong, it's like he has to defend AEW at all costs :lol:

Except, Elias' performance actually made sense. His gimmick is a musician. If Jericho and his 80's cover band caused bleeding from the ears on Dynamite.. sure, that would make sense.

Similarly to Allin doing stoopid 'stunts', it's no doubt about creating viral content.

Oct 23, 2020 1:51:25 GMT NATH45 said:

Except, Elias' performance actually made sense. His gimmick is a musician. If Jericho and his 80's cover band caused bleeding from the ears on Dynamite.. sure, that would make sense.

Similarly to Allin doing stoopid 'stunts', it's no doubt about creating viral content.

Meltzer: But both Jericho and MJF are singers too. Haven't you seen MJF on the Rosie show and his high school video?

Alvarez: It was two douchey heels putting on a dance number. I laughed and had tears, TEARS, streaming down my face. Only Ric Flair could have got away with this.

I was watching dynamite at work and muted it when the Jericho / MJF segment started. Watching that made me feel ok to turn off the show.

Did I miss anything I need to go back and rewatch.

Your Dark Order boys got a chance to shine in the main event, although Reynolds got knocked out at one point and still took a guillotine leg drop for his troubles.

Oct 23, 2020 4:02:41 GMT Big Pete said:

Your Dark Order boys got a chance to shine in the main event, although Reynolds got knocked out at one point and still took a guillotine leg drop for his troubles.

I just saw on youtube john silver was on "shot of brandi", tried to watch it but couldn't handle brandi.

Saw a fun edit showing silver as the eader of dark order. Such good shit

Oct 23, 2020 4:15:08 GMT nazzer said:

Oct 23, 2020 4:02:41 GMT Big Pete said:

Your Dark Order boys got a chance to shine in the main event, although Reynolds got knocked out at one point and still took a guillotine leg drop for his troubles.

I just saw on youtube john silver was on "shot of brandi", tried to watch it but couldn't handle brandi.

Saw a fun edit showing silver as the eader of dark order. Such good shit

I saw that too. He is everywhere now. And like you I didn't watch much of it because of Brandi. Think she even had a body guard because she considers him a pervert plus her stable is feuding with his stable.

Fenix out Penta in for the title tournament. Looks like everyone was right and he was concussed.

Why the heck is Matt Jackson even doing some sequence of moves on Reynolds who was barely if at all awake during this?

Oct 23, 2020 20:00:06 GMT c said:

Fenix out Penta in for the title tournament. Looks like everyone was right and he was concussed.

I'm sad for Fenix but Penta vs Omega at All Out in 2018 was so fucking good. I can't wait for the rematch.

Saw the main event. Alex was clearly knocked out, really odd nobody could get the message tl the ref to get one of tye wrestlera to at least roll him out of the ring. And he really didn't need to continue in the match, surely theh coulf have figured out how to get to the finish without him.

Three injuries in two weeks is really not good, but what is worse it how they are handling some of these injuries. They don't have to follow the show must go on attitude. They would have even felt more sports base if they had stop to check on Reynolds. In both boxing and mma if you look like you are unable to defend yourself the ref needs to stop it there so someone doesn't possible die in the ring.

X-zero, I don't want to say they are doing bad based on industry standards, as we have seen plenty of similar bad examples from WWE. But it really seems like it woul;dn't be that hard to be better

Did the ref even check on him?

Oct 22, 2020 1:24:25 GMT RT said:

This is the greatest moment in wrestling history. I need to redo the countdown.

This is exactly what I was thinking during this segment. I am a sucker for classic musicals and this was right in line with my tastes (though specifically nowhere near the taste of the majority of wrestling fans probably). I was thinking to myself though "This would be #1 if I remade that list of greatest wrestling moments I sent RT".

Not only that, but when they posed for that perfect-photo moment at the end of the song I was thinking "this would be a perfect avatar" and briefly considered switching over to it before deciding against it. Then I come on here and find it as your avatar.

I don't think the segment was necessarily a good fit for the show, but I am really enjoying these Jericho/MJF segments and I am personally glad this happened.

I was worried that EVERYONE was going to hate it when I saw Cornette's take on it:

Does anyone agree with Cornette here that this was "that" bad? I used to be a huge fan of Cornette because he is almost always right, but kind of stopped following his stuff after realizing that he is too extreme. If you're always extreme but wrong even 10% of the time, that 10% makes you come off like a bit of a jackass.

I mean if you're not talking in hyperbole, and you literally think that was the greatest moment of all time, you don't like wrestling. But I'm sure it's hyperbole.

I didn't like it, it does nothing for either man's character or for the storyline going forward. I also loved Cornette's point about Eddie Kingston's promo when Kingston said Moxley comes from the land of sports entertainers. AEW is literally the land of sports entertainers. It's Raw on meth. Don't fool yourselves. There is nothing revolutionary about this promotion. It's WWE style comedy bullshit with TNA style creative freedom.

Oct 26, 2020 0:01:54 GMT Todd said:

I mean if you're not talking in hyperbole, and you literally think that was the greatest moment of all time, you don't like wrestling. But I'm sure it's hyperbole.

I didn't like it, it does nothing for either man's character or for the storyline going forward. I also loved Cornette's point about Eddie Kingston's promo when Kingston said Moxley comes from the land of sports entertainers. AEW is literally the land of sports entertainers. It's Raw on meth. Don't fool yourselves. There is nothing revolutionary about this promotion. It's WWE style comedy bullshit with TNA style creative freedom.

Definitely being hyperbolic, but I still loved it. It was fun and goofy and wrestling can be that sometimes.

Oct 26, 2020 0:01:54 GMT Todd said:

I mean if you're not talking in hyperbole, and you literally think that was the greatest moment of all time, you don't like wrestling. But I'm sure it's hyperbole.

I didn't like it, it does nothing for either man's character or for the storyline going forward. I also loved Cornette's point about Eddie Kingston's promo when Kingston said Moxley comes from the land of sports entertainers. AEW is literally the land of sports entertainers. It's Raw on meth. Don't fool yourselves. There is nothing revolutionary about this promotion. It's WWE style comedy bullshit with TNA style creative freedom.

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's technically possible to both think that was the greatest moment and still like wrestling but point taken. It was definitely hyperbole.

Speaking of hyperbole, not liking it is fair enough...but it's not like it destroyed MJF's reputation like Cornette was making it seem. Certainly not enough to completely renounce his support for him. I think it kind of added to MJF's character in that he's getting goofier, but the campaign against Moxley was already about as ridiculous as it gets. I liked the musical number / the other Jericho promos a lot more than that, though I think this is definitely not the direction that MJF's character ought to be heading.

They probably have some intentions with it and are trying to establish him as more of a comedic heel. I don't think it's the best move, but MJF will survive. He's got plenty of skills to keep himself legitimate.

I also agree all the "revolution" nonsense is a total hypocrisy and joke. They're sure following right along with WWE's reputation for bad booking and burying talent unnecessarily, but what can you do? AEW is not the promised land it could have been, but I'm still enjoying it a little more than WWE at least.

Cornette has become less and less supportive of MJF ever since he started feuding with Moxley. Cornette hated that feud and has not enjoyed one single segment of this Jericho feud despite being a fan of Jericho up until the Matt Hardy feud.

It was a ridiculous segment that was designed to be controversial and go against tradition. Cornette is a big stickler for that and this whole segment and just about every other segment involving Jericho has been a complete waste of time that has done nothing to get MJF over as a heel.

Ordinarily Jim wouldn't bat an eyelid, but MJF had been the one guy who looked after his character and wasn't getting caught up in the hardcore garbage wrestling like Moxley. However between this and the way FTR have been featured on the show, Jim has no more guys he can genuinely get behind. He'll still watch the show because it does good numbers for his podcast but he just doesn't buy into anyone on the show anymore.

Personally, I thought the segment was the only way they could play it after the build. If they just had a steak dinner and dragged things a long in a sports entertainment fashion it would have bombed and just turned people off the product. This was unexpected, it got people talking and justified the whole thing as a big musical set up. It achieved what it set out to and I think from now through to the course of Revolution we'll see them build towards a Jericho/MJF match where they'll get into the good wrestling stuff.

Oct 26, 2020 3:30:45 GMT Big Pete said:

Cornette has become less and less supportive of MJF ever since he started feuding with Moxley. Cornette hated that feud and has not enjoyed one single segment of this Jericho feud despite being a fan of Jericho up until the Matt Hardy feud.

It was a ridiculous segment that was designed to be controversial and go against tradition. Cornette is a big stickler for that and this whole segment and just about every other segment involving Jericho has been a complete waste of time that has done nothing to get MJF over as a heel.

Ordinarily Jim wouldn't bat an eyelid, but MJF had been the one guy who looked after his character and wasn't getting caught up in the hardcore garbage wrestling like Moxley. However between this and the way FTR have been featured on the show, Jim has no more guys he can genuinely get behind. He'll still watch the show because it does good numbers for his podcast but he just doesn't buy into anyone on the show anymore.

Personally, I thought the segment was the only way they could play it after the build. If they just had a steak dinner and dragged things a long in a sports entertainment fashion it would have bombed and just turned people off the product. This was unexpected, it got people talking and justified the whole thing as a big musical set up. It achieved what it set out to and I think from now through to the course of Revolution we'll see them build towards a Jericho/MJF match where they'll get into the good wrestling stuff.

Cornette was still supportive doing the Mox feud. Brian was calling attention to the bad points but Cornette was trying to over look them. Cornette didn't like the booking going into it though.

It's what happens when you work the promoter out of millions of dollars and creative freedom, mixed with a lasped wellness program and a dirty big bag of the cartel's finest.

Jericho's a fucking creative genius... hellbent on being Chris 'fucking' Jericho.

Oct 26, 2020 4:58:52 GMT X-zero said:

Oct 26, 2020 3:30:45 GMT Big Pete said:

Cornette has become less and less supportive of MJF ever since he started feuding with Moxley. Cornette hated that feud and has not enjoyed one single segment of this Jericho feud despite being a fan of Jericho up until the Matt Hardy feud.

It was a ridiculous segment that was designed to be controversial and go against tradition. Cornette is a big stickler for that and this whole segment and just about every other segment involving Jericho has been a complete waste of time that has done nothing to get MJF over as a heel.

Ordinarily Jim wouldn't bat an eyelid, but MJF had been the one guy who looked after his character and wasn't getting caught up in the hardcore garbage wrestling like Moxley. However between this and the way FTR have been featured on the show, Jim has no more guys he can genuinely get behind. He'll still watch the show because it does good numbers for his podcast but he just doesn't buy into anyone on the show anymore.

Personally, I thought the segment was the only way they could play it after the build. If they just had a steak dinner and dragged things a long in a sports entertainment fashion it would have bombed and just turned people off the product. This was unexpected, it got people talking and justified the whole thing as a big musical set up. It achieved what it set out to and I think from now through to the course of Revolution we'll see them build towards a Jericho/MJF match where they'll get into the good wrestling stuff.

Cornette was still supportive doing the Mox feud. Brian was calling attention to the bad points but Cornette was trying to over look them. Cornette didn't like the booking going into it though.

It was the first time I recall Cornette being critical of his promos. I remember him constantly calling the promos pitchy and just too goofy for his taste. He was also very critical of the booking and it was around that time he really started going off on Mox.