1. Indianapolis (2-14) - Russell Wilson (Andrew Luck)

2. Washington - from St. Louis (2-14) - Ryan Tannehill (Robert Griffin III)

3. Cleveland Browns (from Minnesota) - Andrew Luck (Trent Richardson)
4. Minnesota Vikings (from Cleveland) - Bobby Wagner (Matt Kalil)
5. Jacksonville Jaguars (from Tampa Bay) - Kirk Cousins (Justin Blackmon)
6. Dallas Cowboys (from Washington via St. Louis) - Stephon Gilmore (Morris Claiborne)
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Jacksonville) - Luke Kuechly (Mark Barron)
8. Miami Dolphins - Chandler Jones (Ryan Tannehill)
9. Carolina Panthers - Fletcher Cox (Luke Kuechly)
10. Buffalo Bills - TY Hilton (Stephon Gilmore)
11. Kansas City Chiefs - Lavonte David (Dontari Poe)
12. Philadelphia Eagles (from Seattle) - Casey Hayward (Fletcher Cox)
13. Arizona Cardinals - Harrison Smith (Michael Floyd)
14. St. Louis Rams (from Dallas) - David Decastro (Michael Brockers)
15. Seattle Seahawks (from Philadelphia) - Brandon Brooks (Bruce Irvin)
16. New York Jets - D'Onta Hightower (Quinton Coples)
17. Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland) - Melvin Ingram (Dre Kirkpatrick)
18. San Diego Chargers - Olivier Vernon (Melvin Ingram)
19. Chicago Bears - Akiem Hicks (Shea McClellin) 
20. Tennessee Titans -  Demario Davis (Kendall Wright)
21. New England Patriots (from Cincinnati) - Janoris Jenkins (Chandler Jones)
22. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) - Alshon Jeffrey (Brandon Weeden)
23. Detroit Lions - Cordy Glenn (Riley Reiff)
24. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kevin Zeitler (David Decastro)
25. New England Patriots (from Denver) - Whitney Mercilus (D'Onta Hightower)
26. Houston Texans - Damon Harrison (Whitney Mercilus)
27. Cincinnati Bengals (from New Orleans via New England) - Josh Norman (Kevin Zeitler)
28. Green Bay Packers - Malik Jackson (Nick Perry)
29. Minnesota Vikings (from Baltimore Ravens) - Justin Tucker (Harrison Smith)
30. San Francisco 49ers - Marvin Jones (AJ Jenkins)
31. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from New England, via Denver) - Kelechi Osemele (Doug Martin)
32. New York Giants - Mike Daniels (David Wilson)

Something a little different this time as this order won't include draft night trades.

Blindy you can go ahead and pick first , and then we'll keep the same order with myself then @admin.

Cool!



With a 1-15 record, the Colts lacked the muscle to earn the right to draft Russell.

:suspic: :suspic:


QB Russell Wilson out of NC Sta...Wisconsin

Luck and Wilson were neck to neck arguably if you wanted to say that Luck got screwed by Grigson and his inability to build a line around him which saw Luck take some brutal shots that led to his early retirement. This may not make Russell Wilson the super bowl winning QB he ended up being in Seattle as elusive as he is, the Colts weren't built as well as the Seahawks were despite an AFC Title game. Wilson is still a borderline top 5 QB despite the rough ending to the 2020 campaign and the wrinkles growing in the relationship in Seattle, Luck is retired and has no plans to come back. Gotta reward someone who went in round 3 this draft the 1st overall pick.

From Peyton Manning to Curtis Painter to Russell Wilson.

The Washington Pigskins OTC UT

The only right pick!

With the 2nd pick in the 2012 NFL Draft Redo , the Washington Redskins select

Ryan Tannehill , QB , Texas A&M

This was a really tough one , you can't take RG3 again after he fizzled out so fast , I don't think you can take Luck with only 6 years of him going forward so since the Redskins still desperately need a Quarterback I opted for Tannehill over Cousins. Their careers are largely similar and PFR's HOF monitor has them a measly .18 points apart. (Not that they are HOF worthy , just a scale of their career 104 is the general criteria) - so I opted for the more athletic high upside Tannehill who like RG3 would have fit in perfect with a Shanahan style offense. His early career was far from bad and he was solid , but going to Tennessee has revitalized him into a Top 10 QB and one you can win with. Taking him #2 sounds weird but I think it's the right pick in this situation.

@admin is OTC with the Minnesota Vikings

With the third pick in the 2012 NFL Redraft the Cleveland Browns select Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

You guys have already touched on Luck's short career - but given what the Browns put out there at quarterback over those six/seven seasons they would take a consistent pro bowl passer any day of the week. A couple of years after his retirement I think it's easy to forget just how good Luck really was - had he been able to continue playing through his prime I don't think there's much doubt he would have ended up as a hall of famer. And in this fantasy land perhaps he's still playing today, because for as bad as Cleveland were during these years the one thing that they were able to do was field a strong offensive line with Thomas, Bitonio and Mack.

The Vikings are on the clock Blindy

We should ban UT from having 2nd overall picks in drafts.

Gronk then Tannehill. My goodness.

So I have to be the one to end the QB run......

With the 4th pick of the 2012 NFL Redraft, the Minnesota Vikings select MLB Bobby Wagner out of Utah State

The Vikings like it or not, took Christian Ponder last year in round 1 so they will believe to give this man time to figure this out vs taking their current QB right now.

The consensus is you don't make a MLB a top 5 pick unless it's a superstar talent but dare I say Wagner has been that. There were a couple of superstar defensive talents that I have a shot of making the 1st guy picked on that side of the ball here but the resume speaks for itself. 6x first team all pro, 7 pro bowls, instant success from the get go, the quarterback of that great defense in Seattle. As important as Russell Wilson has been for Seattle, Bobby Wagner isn't that far off. Minnesota's LB corp sucks, Chad Greenway is getting older, Erin Henderson had some mental issues, they had Jasper Brinkley getting time at MLB. Getting Wagner even with the 4th pick transforms that defense and when Mike Zimmer takes over in a couple of years, it's a match made in heaven.

The best MLB in the draft yes over the Boston St kid because like with Luck, the early retirement does get a red mark when it is all said and done.

Jacksonville Jaguars OTC UT

Mar 10, 2021 3:10:06 GMT KING KID said:

We should ban UT from having 2nd overall picks in drafts.

Gronk then Tannehill. My goodness.

Say something semi constructive or go away.

I like the Wagner pick , Erin Henderson was a really good dude ... I met Matt Birk but had a fun rapport with Henderson when he was on the Vikings practice squad. Wagner gets the nod over Kuechly because of longevity.

Also don’t think I would have taken Luck that early for 6 years, I thought he would have fit okay later on down the line with a better franchise that had more pieces to put around him.

With the 5th pick in the 2012 redraft the Jaguars select:

Kirk Cousins , QB , Michigan State

Boring pick , but you can’t pass on a quarterback who could bring stability to a franchise who hasn’t seen a stable quarterback situation in years. Cousins would bring them credibility and leadership even if he would never be elite.

The Dallas Cowboys are OTC. @admin.

I guess I applaud the creativity, but I don’t get the logic of Tannehill over Luck, even with foresight. The immediate payout on the Luck contract makes him more valuable than Tannehill. To make Tannehill payout you have to endure a lot of mediocrity that you don’t get with Luck and by the time he starts paying out you can already be on to your next young QB in Indy.

That this draft happens with the rookie wage scale makes the argument even stronger that you take early production over a long term prospect. Luck gives Washington a realistic but short championship window that I don’t think anyone thinks Tannehill has really risen to alone.

I wasn't sure about the Cousins pick given the Jags made Gabbert a top 10 pick the previous draft but then I remembered I think this was the awful Mike Murlarkey year that he went 1 and done and I think new management got ousted so I guess it makes sense but man what a disaster, this is Arizona Cards level of bad with Rosen & Murray.

With the sixth pick the Dallas Cowboys select Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

This feels like a slam dunk re-choice, the Cowboys drafted Morris Claiborne here who was injury prone and mediocre on the field, whereas Gilmore has become one of the elite corners in the league, culminating by becoming just the second CB to win DPOTY in the 2000s. He was good in Buffalo, became even better in New England, and is now one of the few guys who quarterbacks simply avoid throwing towards. Put Gilmore across from Brandon Carr and then Byron Jones and the Dallas defence would have been significantly better off than it was.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are on the clock Blindy

Mar 10, 2021 4:37:00 GMT mikec said:

I guess I applaud the creativity, but I don’t get the logic of Tannehill over Luck, even with foresight. The immediate payout on the Luck contract makes him more valuable than Tannehill. To make Tannehill payout you have to endure a lot of mediocrity that you don’t get with Luck and by the time he starts paying out you can already be on to your next young QB in Indy.

That this draft happens with the rookie wage scale makes the argument even stronger that you take early production over a long term prospect. Luck gives Washington a realistic but short championship window that I don’t think anyone thinks Tannehill has really risen to alone.

I appreciate an actual response. Though I do disagree , and think Luck's lore has been a bit overrated because of his early retirement. It's not like he came in and lit up the league immediately , it wasn't until his third year that he really showed what he was capable of and then was injured right away the next season playing seven games. And years 5 and 6 were good before he retired , which sucks because he was finally seeming to reach his potential but then he was gone.

Tannehill wasn't lighting the world on fire either and their second years were actually pretty similar before Luck took off. So I guess it's really weighing three truly elite years from Luck over a late resurgence by Tannehill where he has been Probably a top 6-8 QB in the league. 

Also looking at the grand scheme of things , and knowing that Philbin is one of the worst head coaches I've ever seen and Mike Sherman was generally trash , those are the two guys that Tannehill had to deal with early on - so his stumbling isn't a shock. Andrew Luck had one of the best QB mentors/coaches in the game in Bruce Arians. 

Put Tannehill in Washington with a coach like Shanahan who got everything he could out of RG3 and I think he has a much better chance early on. Not to mention his running ability and short accuracy playing in perfectly with the run heavy WCO that he would have ran in Washington ... just as he runs a lot of now with Arthur Smith in Tennessee. 

So while in an apples to apples comparison ... Luck may win out because you are at least getting those three years out of him early on , on a small contract but long term and in a better situation with actual real life NFL coaches I think Tannehill works as the pick and may work out earlier. 

Also happy to get the QB's out of the way. Now it gets to be a little more fun.

Like the Gilmore pick , I had one other in mind just because of the narrative of Dallas's secondary for years but you can't go wrong either way really.

Was kinda hoping Gilmore fell a little to TB ah well!

With the 7th pick of the 2012 Redraft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select LB Luke Kuechly out of Boston College

So this was the 2nd best MLB after Wagner in this draft. The goal this draft was that Tampa Bay had to get their defense back again and to be good and yes they did get the ever important LeVontae David in this draft who was invaluable in the team's most recent super bowl run. But a former DMVP, 7x pro bowler and 2 time all pro at the position is a different animal, you stop the Panthers from getting this man in the division to haunt you and you get great, great, great play for the years he was able to suit up. Yeah the concussions and nasty injuries caught up to him in the later half of the 2010's but he was a bull this decade and would have been an iconic figure and Luke may go down in the Hall of Fame(Maybe not 1st ballot) and would have helped the Bucs break the playoff drought sooner IMO. Easily in his prime Kuechly was a 3 down LB who did everything well and left everything on the line each game.

Newton was important in the Panthers Super Bowl run but this man was the 2nd in command for this team even getting to the Super Bowl.

Sucks that health caught up to him and ended his career or made him pull a difficult decision. Happens to the best of em. Patrick Willis, the aforementioned Andrew Luck, and Keuchly.

Miami Dolphins OTC UT

Mar 10, 2021 4:59:08 GMT UT said:

Mar 10, 2021 4:37:00 GMT mikec said:

I guess I applaud the creativity, but I don’t get the logic of Tannehill over Luck, even with foresight. The immediate payout on the Luck contract makes him more valuable than Tannehill. To make Tannehill payout you have to endure a lot of mediocrity that you don’t get with Luck and by the time he starts paying out you can already be on to your next young QB in Indy.

That this draft happens with the rookie wage scale makes the argument even stronger that you take early production over a long term prospect. Luck gives Washington a realistic but short championship window that I don’t think anyone thinks Tannehill has really risen to alone.

I appreciate an actual response. Though I do disagree , and think Luck's lore has been a bit overrated because of his early retirement. It's not like he came in and lit up the league immediately , it wasn't until his third year that he really showed what he was capable of and then was injured right away the next season playing seven games. And years 5 and 6 were good before he retired , which sucks because he was finally seeming to reach his potential but then he was gone.

Tannehill wasn't lighting the world on fire either and their second years were actually pretty similar before Luck took off. So I guess it's really weighing three truly elite years from Luck over a late resurgence by Tannehill where he has been Probably a top 6-8 QB in the league. 

Also looking at the grand scheme of things , and knowing that Philbin is one of the worst head coaches I've ever seen and Mike Sherman was generally trash , those are the two guys that Tannehill had to deal with early on - so his stumbling isn't a shock. Andrew Luck had one of the best QB mentors/coaches in the game in Bruce Arians. 

Put Tannehill in Washington with a coach like Shanahan who got everything he could out of RG3 and I think he has a much better chance early on. Not to mention his running ability and short accuracy playing in perfectly with the run heavy WCO that he would have ran in Washington ... just as he runs a lot of now with Arthur Smith in Tennessee. 

So while in an apples to apples comparison ... Luck may win out because you are at least getting those three years out of him early on , on a small contract but long term and in a better situation with actual real life NFL coaches I think Tannehill works as the pick and may work out earlier. 

I guess I get this, but I’d suggest that Luck also had a rough coaching situation despite Bruce Arians being there a short time as an OC the rest of his run was a bit of a mess of poor coaching and gm work. The arm talent is there from the beginning so I’m not sure why you wouldn’t give Luck the coaching boost you’re giving Tannehill here.

But if you don’t want to draft a guy who is only going to play six seasons at number two, I think I would’ve gone defense before Tannehill. Telling me that 8 years from now I might have the 8th best QB in the NFL doesn’t exactly set my hair on fire for the second pick in the draft. I haven’t done enough research on this draft, but I’m going Luck or I’m going with a different position I think.

Fair but really you’re getting 5 seasons considering Lucks shoulder essentially stole a whole season from him. And like I said , I’d hope that having one of the worst coaching duos you’re going to find was a large part of the reason it took Tannehill as long as it did in the beginning. Even with hindsight to me Tannehill has proven what he’s capable of in a better situation.

Defensively I could have taken Wagner or Kuechly but the Redskins had no one at quarterback. The only other QB on their roster that year to throw a pass was Cousins who hypothetically again.. they aren’t getting in this draft.

With the 8th pick in the 2012 redraft , the Miami Dolphins select:

Chandler Jones , DE , Syracuse

The Dolphins need offensive talent in the worst way as well but that cupboard is fairly bare at this point. They had Wake on their roster in 2012 but no one else to rush the passer off the edge. Jones has had a great career and at his peak has shown he can be a DPOY candidate and carry a defense. Pair him with Wake and guy instantly have one of the best pass rushing duos in the NFL.

The Carolina Panthers are OTC @admin

With the ninth pick the Carolina Panthers select Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State

Feel like Carolina would have been falling over themselves to have Cox land in their lap here considering he ranks #4 from the draft class in approximate value and #3 in sacks. Defence was definitely the area they needed to improve, and they could have definitely used a stud DT - they were 29th against the run in 2011 and played 2012 with two starters aged 33 and 31. Without the ability to redraft Kuechly, a reliable productive presence who has been the #2 player at his position through the era is a great substitute.

The Buffalo Bills are on the clock Blindy

With the 10th pick of the 2012 NFL Re-Draft, the Buffalo Bills select WR TY Hilton out of FIU

Andrew Luck and TY Hilton came up together to be a heck of a duo in Indy and 4 1000+ yard seasons makes him the choice here for Buffalo with Gilmore off the board. Question remains whether an EJ Manuel(The Bills next 1st round pick) or another QB make Hilton as good as he ended(Or ends as he's a FA to be) up being as a Colt had he been selected by Buffalo but either way no shot should he have lasted until round 3. Bills had a whiff of whiffs by taking TJ Graham over Hilton(Don't worry RT we took Stephen Hill in round 2) so they will gladly re-roll the dice and take Hilton all things considered. He's slowed down a tad bit these last 2 years in comparison to what he used to be but he's still a scary deep threat and arguable the Colts drop off post Andrew Luck led to the "pedestrian" numbers he put in 19-20 with 2 less than strong arms in Brissett and Rivers. Curious where he goes in free agency in what is a loaded WR class on paper.

4x pro bowler going here at 10 is cool beans, surround whoever your QB is with a worthwhile no.1 WR.

UT KC Chiefs OTC.

I honestly think Hilton is a reach at that point with some of the guys on the board.

With the 11th pick in the 2012 NFL redraft the Chiefs select:

Lavonte David , LB , Nebraska

The Chiefs were a mess on both sides of the ball at this point. They had Derrick Johnson on the roster but he was getting older and in the meantime they would have a dynamic young LB duo whilst solidifying the middle of their defense and locker room going forward.

The Eagles and @admin are OTC

Hard disagree. 4 1000 yard seasons and a top gun of an AFC Title team with his best year in 2014, I like him quite a lot of the best WR in this draft class and think he'd be valued a lot by Buffalo who had nothing as good as Hilton until late 2010's. I think he's become underrated, maybe because of the college he came from if anything and I want to see him with a better QB post Andrew Luck. If the Rams can find any wiggle room, he'd be awesome with Stafford. He's got a little bit left in the tank.

His 2013 & 2014 postseason runs were really good looking back. 2 GS 327 yards 2 TD in 2013!

I’m not saying he isn’t the best WR in the class , and he’s a really good player but I worry about him in Buffalo as I believe his road splits were always tough.

Even aside from that , I think there are a few really good defenders left on the board.

It’s just where I was with Hilton at this point , not that it’s terrible by any means.

Thought for sure you’d take your ND boy there.

They had Jarius Byrd who was one of the very best players at free safety at the time, I couldn't pull the trigger off that. Byrd fell off big time once traded to NO but at the time, he was one of the top players for Buffalo.

The Bills had Stevie Johnson and that's about it at WR for Fitzpatrick at this time.

With the twelfth pick the Philadelphia Eagles select Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt

The Eagles spent up big on FA corners at this time to replace Asante Samuel, but both Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie were major busts, the former incredibly going from elite shutdown corner to out of the league within a couple of seasons. Philly has rotated through guys in the secondary ever since, none with a whole lot of success. Heyward has been fantastic both playing slot corner with the Packers, and then moving to the outside with the Chargers, and is genuinely one of the best coverage defenders in the league ranking right at the top of the NFL for forced incompletion rate and catch rate allowed over the past few seasons.

The Arizona Cardinals are on the clock Blindy

With the 13th pick, the Arizona Cardinals select FS Harrison Smith out of NOTRE DAME

He was mentioned previously so lets slot him here. Ex Jet Kerry Rhodes cared more about fancy dressing & being Mr GQ than he did about tackling at this point in his career and Adrian Wilson was 33 and moved over to strong safety at this point due to the coverage slacking a little at his great career by this time. Enter one of the best FS's of the decade, Smith was a dual threat safety who was a vital piece of the solid defense in Minnesota. In Arizona, Harrison Smith becomes a big back piece along with Peterson rather than The Honey Badger who went in 2013. 5x pro bowler, Harrison Smith I think had ups and downs this year but for the most part has been easily well past his late round 1 draft slot.

ST LOUIS(Not LA) Rams OTC UT

Man this is tough draft for offense , especially skill guys. One is the worst I recent memory? Sucks for the Rams ...

With the 14th pick in the 2012 redraft the Rams select;

David Decastro , G , Stanford

The Rams needed skill guys but I can’t take one here so instead they start to patch up a terrible offensive lines with one of the best guards of the decade in Decastro. A multiple time All Pro and Pro Bowler he would give Bradford some protection but especially be able to open up holes for Jackson as he was tailing off.

The Seahawks and @admin are OTC.

With the 15th pick the Seattle Seahawks select Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami

Seattle's biggest issue throughout the Russell Wilson era has been protecting their quarterback. Although in this scenario the Seahawks would have to find a different passer (give me a bit more Tavaris Jackson!), Brooks would instantly be their best offensive lineman over the next few years through to his second contract where PFF rated him the best guard in the league in 2019 over Nelson/Martin/Yanda. Mr. Unliiiiiiimited recently cited having been sacked nearly 400 times in his career as one of his biggest grievances with the Seahawks - that number definitely wouldn't have been quite as high with Brooks up in the Pacific Northwest.

Blindy 's New York Jets are on the clock!

With the 16th pick of the 2012 Redraft, America's Team selects MLB Dont'a Hightower out of Alabama


Still to this day, why did the Jets take Quinton Coples a 4-3 DE who had lazy concerns out of North Carolina and the motor problems at this pick I will never get. Let's take someone Bill Belichick has praised above and beyond since drafting him and take the heart of his defense on their most recent super bowl run in Hightower. David Harris was still doing good here but the other MLB, Bart Scott, Rex Ryan's top gun was slowing down and was a massive dud on pass coverage and was heavily exploited this year on defense. This was Scott's final year in the NFL before going to media so Hightower would learn under both guys before taking the reigns and being the next guy of this defense. Hightower is still well revered even if he's missed 2020 due to COVID and most of 2017 with his injury.

Jets ultimately did land their successor with DeMario Davis but you gotta give Hightower the nod here, just a different kind of animal inside.

Arguably the best MLB class of all time, 4 guys taken in the first 16 picks.

Bengals OTC UT