Oh well I misunderstood. I'm game.

I'm going to find some Jeudy props right now for the season and bet those too.

Jerry Jeudy > Ceedee Lamb.

Aug 13, 2021 17:58:30 GMT UT said:

Oh well I misunderstood. I'm game.

I'm going to find some Jeudy props right now for the season and bet those too.

Jerry Jeudy > Ceedee Lamb.

Oh man. You know me so well. 

I can’t wait to go on my love rant on Ceede Lamb when @admin gets to the Cowboys. 

This is perfect because I am super high on Ceedee. Top 12 WR high. 

He ain't going to be no Top 12 Wide Receiver. I think he and Jeudy will be super close. Within 3-4 spots of eachother at the end of the year.

Aug 13, 2021 18:03:28 GMT UT said:

He ain't going to be no Top 12 Wide Receiver. I think he and Jeudy will be super close. Within 3-4 spots of eachother at the end of the year.

Double or nothing? 

Lamb- Top 12- MY PICK.

Jeudy- Top 24- YOUR PICK.

Sure.

Aug 13, 2021 17:43:18 GMT KING KID said:

🤯 FRAME THIS~!

UT AND I- 1 WEEK BITCH BET.

IF JERRY JEUDY FINISHES AS A WR24 OR BETTER; I WEAR AN AVATAR OF UT CHOOSING FOR ONE WEEK.

IF JERRY JEUDY FINISHES AS A WR25 OR WORSE: UT WEARS AN AVATAR OF MY CHOOSING FOR ONE WEEK.

PPR rules. I'm coming for UT and his prized jewel. His avatar~!

Framed.

The hell happened to my thread? Yuck.

22. Chicago Bears

I'm excited for the Justin Fields era, and am looking forward to him possibly making a few teams look foolish for choosing not to draft him. Hopefully the Bears don't waste too much time starting Andy Dalton. The rest of the offence is in a good position for a young dynamic quarterback, even if he has some growing pains. David Montgomery got it together last season posting 1500 combined yards. Tarik Cohen is a good gadget guy back from injury (and will take over kick return duties from the departed Cordarrelle Patterson), and they've got better depth now with Damien Williams who should be fresh from his COVID opt-out. Allen Robinson is a bonafide WR1 and only held back from best in the league conversations because of the quarterback play he's been stuck with throughout his career, and Darnell Mooney is one of the most notable breakout candidates this season with his speed. At tight end Jimmy Graham is still a decent red zone target, and there's still a chance that Cole Kmet has a bit more to offer than he showed in his rookie season. The offensive line has been a problem for a while and it's unlikely to be too much better this season. Rookie Tevin Jenkins looked like a good value pick up and will hopefully provide a long term answer at left tackle, while Germain Ifedi replaces Bobby Massie at RT, but his pedigree from his time in Seattle isn't exactly stellar.

The Bears are still strong on defence, but getting older, and no longer the real difference making top-3 type unit they were a couple of seasons ago. We know the names up front, Khalil Mack is still awesome, Akiem Hicks' presence allows him to be, and they get NT Eddie Goldman back from his opt out to eat up space in the middle. They'll be hoping Robert Quinn is inspired by his sister, and improves on his meagre two sacks to something more like the 11.5 he recorded the previous season with the Cowboys. They're set at linebacker with Danny Trevathan and Roquan Smith who was inconsistent in his rookie season, but fantastic second time around. There's a little bit of a shakeup in the secondary, Kyle Fuller and Buster Skrine gone. Jaylon Johnson will be tasked with replacing Fuller, having shown some real potential, including recording the highest forced incompletion percentage by a rookie CB since 2006. They've also added veteran Desmond Trufant for some experience. Eddie Jackson and Tashaun Gipson are a strong safety pair.

The Bears floor is quite high, proven last season when everything about the team felt all doom and gloom but they still recorded 8 wins and made the playoffs. Fields feels like the key to any hope of returning to the fun, explosive 12-4 unit of Matt Nagy's first season in charge, and it will be interesting to see how the offence fairs as the head coach returns to calling plays. They will probably need to be better as the defence takes on an unfamiliar look without a veteran guru coordinator for the first time in a long time. 

My bad @admin. I thought about starting my own thread but didn’t think it would be useful to have 2 threads following the same thread. I’ll start a new thread for fantasy. Didn’t mean to hijack!

Aug 16, 2021 0:26:32 GMT @admin said:

The hell happened to my thread? Yuck.

DELETE! DELETE! DELETE!

Some things;

Tarik Cohen is injured and might never make a full recovery from his ACL injury. I love me some Damien Williams shares as I feel like David Montgomery is a bum. That end of season run was all based on facing bad teams. He’s not good. He’s not a game changer. He’s trash. I love Mooney and think he is going to breakout. Maybe not fully this season but next year with Fields; yes!

I’m also curious to peoples thoughts on Fields/Lance and who will have the bigger impact for their team this season. I don’t know if the Niners will leave Jimmy G unless he gets injured and they get their hands forced. I think the Bears will have Fields starting no later then Week 5.

PS- I think Chicago finishes 2nd in the North and not the Vikings. People way too high on Minnesota. 

Haha no I was just joking really. Happy to split your stuff off into your own thread if you want but I don't mind if you post it here as well - especially now you've caught up with me.

I think you're making far too much of the "bad opponents" Chicago faced at the end of last season. Montgomery put up good numbers in both games against the Packers and while they're not an elite defence or anything they're obviously not terrible. Not a game changer is reasonable assessment but as usual your analysis is too all or nothing. 1000 yards rushing at 4.3 per carry plus 50 catches out of the backfield is not trash. He was noticeably better breaking tackles and finishing runs in his second season.

Aug 16, 2021 1:51:57 GMT @admin said:

Haha no I was just joking really. Happy to split your stuff off into your own thread if you want but I don't mind if you post it here as well - especially now you've caught up with me.

I think you're making far too much of the "bad opponents" Chicago faced at the end of last season. Montgomery put up good numbers in both games against the Packers and while they're not an elite defence or anything they're obviously not terrible. Not a game changer is reasonable assessment but as usual your analysis is too all or nothing. 1000 yards rushing at 4.3 per carry plus 50 catches out of the backfield is not trash. He was noticeably better breaking tackles and finishing runs in his second season.

Green Bay’s run D is bad though. 

Glad we are still on the Bears. One name who has been talked about this week a lot is Allen Robinson.

He got a hamstring injury about 5 days ago that hasn’t really been talked about much or enough. Then yesterday he was ranked as the 87th best NFL player coming into the new season. The Bears Nation and Robinson truthers are PISSED. Even more so pissed that he might not even be considered Top 10 WR from this list. I think I read that he’s the 15th WR.

Is Allen Robinson underrated? This man never really got QB play that can lift him. He’s been doing the lifting. For that reason, I will say he is underrated. Mr. Reliable. This hamstring injury though? Not sure if the nickname will stick.

21. Dallas Cowboys

The Cowboys like to pretend they are always Super Bowl contenders, and that Dak Prescott's return apparently again makes them so. But last season they weren't winning even prior to his ankle injury. He's coming off surgery and has a mild shoulder issue in camp - only time will tell how that develops. There's a similar assumption that Zeke Elliott will suddenly be back to his best because he's lost some weight. His mediocre performance can be partially explained by the huge losses up front. Tyron Smith, La'el Collins and Zack Martin only managed a meagre eight games between them last season. If they can stay healthy this time then Dallas should return to having one of the better offensive lines in the league. Similarly, they have one of the best WR trios around - Cooper, Lamb and Gallup, and Dalton Schultz contributed very handily at tight end. Durability is the big question for this offence, if they can all stay on the field they should be very productive.

On the other side of the ball things things were quite bad as well, and they didn't have the injury excuse - and given how Dan Quinn's Falcons defences fared it's reasonable to expect some struggles again. DeMarcus Lawrence's play has tailed off since his big pay day, he's no longer one of the better EDGE guys around. It hasn't helped that Dallas has struggled to find his bookend. They've moved on from Aldon Smith this season in the hopes that another troubled player Randy Gregory can fulfil that role. Their weak interior has suffered a blow with Neville Gallimore likely to miss the start of the season with an elbow injury. Linebacker is the area for hope - Leighton Vander Esch and Jaylon Smith have shown big highs but both have major injury history and it appeared that their best play might behind them. They won't be relied on quite so much now with Micah Parsons in the picture who looks like a strong favourite for DROY. Dallas missed Byron Jones at CB1 last season but Trevon Diggs might be able to deliver in that role in his second season. It's hard to be optimistic about Anthony Brown and Jourdan Lewis who both really struggled last season, and Quinn brought over former troops Keanu Neal and Damontae Kazee to play who didn't exactly excel either. 

Mike McCarthy is already on the hot seat after a limp first season in Dallas and the constant expectations that the Cowboys have - deserved or not. They need their quarterback and offensive line to stay healthy to be the powerhouse offence that the trio of wide receivers indicate they could be, and the return to best form of defenders like Lawrence, Smith & Vander Esch for that to occur. 

Aug 16, 2021 1:52:40 GMT KING KID said:

Aug 16, 2021 1:51:57 GMT @admin said:

Haha no I was just joking really. Happy to split your stuff off into your own thread if you want but I don't mind if you post it here as well - especially now you've caught up with me.

I think you're making far too much of the "bad opponents" Chicago faced at the end of last season. Montgomery put up good numbers in both games against the Packers and while they're not an elite defence or anything they're obviously not terrible. Not a game changer is reasonable assessment but as usual your analysis is too all or nothing. 1000 yards rushing at 4.3 per carry plus 50 catches out of the backfield is not trash. He was noticeably better breaking tackles and finishing runs in his second season.

Green Bay’s run D is bad though. 

Green Bay’s run defense after Cook blew up was much better. And we only allowed two 100 yard rusher and that was like 103 and Montgomery - both with low averages. So it wasn’t that bad.

I’ll respect Green Bay’s Run D when they can prove it. Until then, I will look at RB match ups against them as above average for the RB.

Speaking of respect. @admin laying his Stephen A Smith disrespect all over the Dallas Cowboys. I disagree BUT I really needed this devils advocate take since he’s right that everyone is high on Dallas this year. Yes. Including me.

I know UT and I discussed SOS already and this team could be the team that proves UT right on SOS meaning shit. Their defense is getting Top 5 match ups based on last seasons schedule BUT we all know that Dallas D is pretty awful. I don’t think any of us can truly see them being a top half defense this year and that is GREAT NEWS!!..... for fantasy football!

If their defense is still bad; then get your Cowboys pieces! I admit I am still nervous about Zeke even though he lost weight but only because Tony Pollard was EXCELLENT last season. So if you do draft Zeke Top 5, you better make sure you draft Pollard in your draft. As a matter of fact, you should draft Tony Pollard no matter what! Yes Tony Pollard is a MUST HAVE for me. Forget that he’s a great handcuff but he could also have earned himself more playing time coming into this season. I’m not worried about Zeke not producing this season. I’m worried about his workload shrinking because of the emergence of Tony Pollard. I feel like Jerry Jones is going to be in a situation here where he’s going to watch Tony Pollard get paid big by another team and be a legit starter for a few years. That man is that good. Draft Tony Pollard everywhere!

Now the exciting part of their fantasy team. Their WR room. Everyone is licking their fingers waiting to hit that DRAFT button on Ceedee Lamb including myself. Dude was the only shining spot of the Cowboys last season. Amari Cooper is already facing some injuries so what else is new in that department? Michael Gallup is in his final season as a Cowboy and in my opinion, has a 0% chance to resign with Dallas next year. Gallup will be playing hard this year for a big contract next season somewhere else. Lamb broke out his rookie season and was only really outshined by Justin Jefferson and maybe Tee Higgins.

However, Lamb might be a trap though. I get that he’s the shiny new toy and name everyone wants a piece of but he feels to me like a more overpriced Brandon Aiyuk. End of 2nd round? That’s a tough spot to pull the trigger on this man when he is going around more reliable and underrated guys like Keenan Allen and Allen Robinson. It’s a tough call, but I don’t see myself with much Ceedee Lamb shares this season even though I absolutely believe in his talent.

The Cowboys are a fun offensive team and my pick to win the NFC East. Remember, it’s been over a decade since the same team won the NFC East in back to back years and that’s a wild star considering Dallas has had Zeke/Dak and Philly even won a Super Bowl. The NFC East is wild and really the most unknown division coming into this season.

20. Las Vegas Raiders

It's year 4 for Jon Gruden and he's still looking to achieve his first winning season. They have made some offensive improvements during that time, and steadily moved up the AFC West standings - but there's still a dilemma exists regarding what the identity of his Raiders actually is. The major pivot on offence is a move away from the big veteran offensive line. Alex Leatherwood was a surprising first round selection, and he'll replace Trent Brown at right tackle. Two more veterans Rodney Hudson and Gabe Jackson are also out of the picture - so Tom Cable has his work cut out to fuse together a new group up front that can keep the chains moving. Everyone expected a new quarterback a long time ago, but Derek Carr remains the constant and at the very least, a near guarantee to throw for 4000 yards. He has weapons with which to achieve that, most notably Darren Waller who has now cemented himself as one of the league's premier tight ends. They do need one of the receivers to improve and become a reliable secondary option - Henry Ruggs is obviously the focus but Bryan Edwards could also fill this need. They've added a couple of older guys in John Brown and Willie Snead to make a more rounded WR room. There's a new veteran running back in the picture too, Kenyan Drake is a versatile player, but they will need to be careful not to reduce Josh Jacobs effectiveness by taking him off the field too much.

The defence was the main focus of the offseason, and rightfully so, this group simply has to be better if Vegas have any designs on making the playoffs. To improve a unit that ranked in the bottom five of many categories, new coordinator Gus Bradley has been given numerous new players to work with. Probably the most important is Yannick Ngakoue who had a disappointing 2020 mixed between Minnesota and Baltimore, but should slot in ahead of Maxx Crosby and Clelin Ferrell as the #1 pass rusher. Corey Littleton was a huge disappointment for the Raiders, a shell of the impact player he was previously with the Rams. They'll be hoping the new scheme can get the best out of him at linebacker alongside the two Nick's: Kwiatkoski and Morrow. The second most important acquisition was rookie Trevon Moehrig at safety, his presence should allow the enigmatic Johnathan Abram to do more of what he is good at and less at what he isn't. The improvement in the secondary needs to come from 2020 first rounder Damon Arnette, but training camp reports indicate he might have already lost his starting time to Casey Hayward.

Vegas had a top 10 scoring offence last season, and they showed their potential with a 6-3 start including a remarkable shootout victory over the Chiefs at Arrowhead. But they faltered down the stretch, largely with the defence being unable to hold leads and giving up way too many points. If the offence remains functional despite the o-line shuffle, then all they really need on defence is an average unit and the playoffs are achievable.

The Raiders fucking blow.

They were much worse then their record indicated last season. They won games they shouldn’t have won. Blindy can attest to that in the Greg Williams Farewell Game. What a shit show those Jets were huh? The Raiders are a low key shit show also.

I’ve been a huge supporter of John Gruden but this shit is a mess right now. I’m starting to say that this was a failed experiment and this season will prove it. I think the Raiders are going to be one of the most disappointing teams this season. A top 5 draft pick would not surprise me for the Raiders leaving this season.

The best player on this team is Darren Waller. That’s a problem considering the second best player is Josh Jacobs. The reason it’s a problem is because the Raiders thought it was important to pay Kenyon Drake. This is one off season after John Gruden went pretty public about Josh Jacobs having all the tools to be a work horse back. Do you think they paid Drake for a small work load?! How good is your second best player? Make up your mind Gruden!

I am obviously staying away from their running backs in fantasy. I have zero faith in any of their WRs. Ruggs did not do much last season, but was an All Pro if you ask Blindy. Bryan Edwards would need to be a secret weapon the size of Darren Waller for me to be excited for this offense and respect the genius of John Gruden. Of course Edwards and Ruggs are lottery tickets in fantasy, but I’m not really interested.

Darren Waller was held out of practice for 2 weeks and although he’s back now, it gets me nervous to even think about drafting him at his ADP. He’s going at the end of the 2nd round or top of the 3rd round as people try and get a slight advantage in the TE department. I would be crazy to talk you out of taking this guy especially because he is basically the Raiders offense. I just can’t envision him on any of my teams coming into this season no matter how dominant he can be.

It’s hard for me to want any piece of the Raiders this season. I think they’re going to be last place in their division and I just don’t think their offense is going to be fun for fantasy. They have the least exciting potential of any team in their division in my eyes and that’s even over a team I shit on in Denver.

Sorry Gruden. Now go prove me wrong!

When did I say Ruggs was all pro? :lol: His highlight last year came because Gregg Williams wanted to give Gruden a gift before committing NFL suicide.

Amount of primetime games by team:

5: GB, NO, DAL, SEA, PIT, BAL, LAR, SF, KC, TB

4: CHI, MIN, LV, IND, BUF

3: NYG, NE, LAC, TEN, CLE, ARI, WFT

2: PHI, MIA

1: NYJ, DET, JAX, CIN, HOU, CAR, DEN, ATL


Pretty insane then 10 teams in the NFL have 5 Primetime games. It’s disgusting that we have to get the Lions on Primetime but I guess the fan base is large enough where it is worthy but it’s also 1 of the 5 Primetime games on the Aaron Rodgers Farewell Tour.

Aug 16, 2021 0:26:32 GMT @admin said:

Rookie Tevin Jenkins looked like a good value pick up and will hopefully provide a long term answer at left tackle, while Germain Ifedi replaces Bobby Massie at RT, but his pedigree from his time in Seattle isn't exactly stellar.

Oof, Jenkins is having back surgery today and might be out for the season. That was one of the reasons he fell in the draft to begin with. Cutting Charles Leno not looking like such a good move now...

19. Washington Football Team

I don't think enough was made of the coaching job Ron Rivera did to take what looked like potentially one of the worst teams in the league to the NFC East title - even with a losing record. He was diagnosed with cancer, there was all sorts of off field distractions with . Washington should be even better this season with a more settled situation at quarterback (they had four different starters last season!) - Ryan Fitzpatrick has had a rollercoaster career but he's played some of the best football of his career recently. Fitz has a great group of receivers to throw too - Terry McLaurin is one of the best young receivers in the league, Curtis Samuel is a dynamic versatile weapon, rookie Dyami Brown was a big play machine in college, and Adam Humphries has proven chemistry in the slot with the Harvard QB from their time together in Tampa. The depth is impressive too with the two Sims; Steven and Cam. That's a lot of names without even touching on the two running backs Antonio Gibson who was fantastic in his rookie season, and JD McKissic who is an excellent receiver out of the backfield, and QB turned TE Logan Thomas - those three combined for 188 catches last season. They're perfectly solid up front, highlighted by one of the leagues best at guard Brandon Scherff , and newly acquired LT Charles Leno. There's better than average depth available too to handle potential injuries. 

Jack Del Rio deserves a similar level of credit to Rivera - flipping the Washington defence from poor to one of the league's best in his first season as coordinator. He was able to maximise the significant investment placed in first round defensive linemen - Chase Young, Montez Sweat, Jonathan Allen and Daron Payne are quite simply a phenomenal group of young talent. With that area set for the present and future, they used this year's first rounder to address their clear need and drafted LB Jamin Davis whose athleticism should help them cover tight ends and backs more effectively. In the secondary they acquired William Jackson III from the Bengals - an indication that they might play more man coverage this season, something that he's very strong at. Kendall Fuller has fared much better in his two stints in DC than he did in between in KC. Kamren Curl was an absolute revelation out of the seventh round last season, and he'll pair at safety with the returning Landon Collins.

Pushing the Bucs close in the playoffs with Taylor Heinicke at quarterback had to be a moral victory for the Football Team about their legitimacy as contenders - and that was reflected in their decision to sign a 38 year old to be the starter this season rather than acquire a longer term option. As long as they get the Florida Fitzpatrick, they should be the favourites to defend their division title.

The HYPE.... is REAL.

Me personally.... I DON'T GET IT!

Yes their Head Coach is great. Yes their defense is great. Yes they kept it close with last years Super Bowl Champs in the playoffs. SO WHAT?!

I feel that everyone is WAY TOO EXCITED about Washington coming into this season. Let's mention this one last time, too. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAYOFFS LAST SEASON! IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE GIANTS!

Let's get bias out of the way and completely tear this team apart, because everyone is too damn excited. 

1: The last time the same team won the NFC East in back to back years was when Andy Reid was the Head Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and they won it 3 years in a row with 2004 being the last time. That means no team has repeated as NFC East Champs since 2005. Surely something has to give and this can't go on forever right? WRONG. The NFC East is a completely different animal this season. Dak is back for Dallas and Barkley will be back too. 

2A: Why is everyone all of a sudden obsessed with Ryan Fitzpatrick?! Yes, he was wonderful for the Dolphins the last season and a half, but so what? He's still Ryan Fitzpatrick. The drunk looking older brother of Connor McGregor. The journeyman. The man who's TD/INT rate the past 3 seasons have been: 13/8, 20/13, 17/12. Do you know how many times he has thrown for 25 TD's or more? ONCE! When? 2015 with the Jets. I think they went 10-6 and missed the playoffs that year, right Blindy ? Now all of a sudden, Jesus has arrived to Washington and he is going to take this team to the moon! Eh.

2B: Sure, he sounds like a slight upgrade over Alex Smith but is he really? Alex Smith was a great story last year, but he is also much safer with the ball then Fitzpatrick is from a turnover point of view. Alex Smith and Dwayne Haskins were only good for 17th best T.O.P for Washington last season. That's technically bottom half of the NFL. Now you add in the gunslinger and whether it's TDs or interceptions he's throwing, that time of possession is not really on an upward trajectory. If you want your defense to take another step up into the dominant D world, you want to be better with TOP on offense. I get the excitement for Ryan Fitzpatrick in a fantasy football POV, but not for winning the NFC East. Let's check out his weapons.

3: Scary Terry should have a career year this season and is due for an increase in TDs after only scoring 4 times last season. Curtis Samuel, I have admittedly not drafted in any mock drafts yet BUT I do admit looking at his stats he has gotten better and better every year. This COULD be a true breakout year for a player who won the 2015 College Football Championship with Ohio State. Logan Thomas was probably the 2nd best (behind Dallas Goadert) bang for your buck TE last season if you didn't already have Kelce, Waller and Kittle. I'm curious to see how he plays this season to see if he's legit or not.

4: Then there's this guy. ANTONIO GIBSON! Everyone's favorite breakout star going in the 2nd round! Except.... for me. Everyone in the fantasy football world has dismissed JD McKissic as a threat to Gibson and his fantasy value. Everyone just assumes Antonio Gibson is going to be this lead work horse back in his 2nd year in the NFL.... WHAT?! Since when has Antonio Gibson ever been a workhorse back? NEVER. That's when. The only thing that is exciting about Antonio Gibson to me is that fantasy playoff schedule and I will talk about that more later. I'm sure he'll be a good RB for the team, but the hype for Antonio Gibson and this whole Washington team is just.... WAY TOO HIGH! 

When it comes to fantasy; I am intrigued at the thought of drafting Scary Terry in the early 3rd round if I have a Top 3 pick and I'm able to nab CMC, Dalvin, Henry or Zeke with my top picks. I just don't think I will ever pull the trigger on him, because he has yet to prove his consistency to me. He is going over both Allen Robinson and Ceedee Lamb which is fair if you believe he explodes this season; but eh. Not for me. Antonio Gibson could be a league winner if you listen to the hype of the fantasy world, but he will probably be on 0% of my rosters unless he falls to the 3rd round and I don't feel like I'm paying for him to perform at his ADP (2.5). I mean, really. You're not getting anything with that ADP for Gibson. You're literally buying him at his ceiling and hoping he touches it. No thanks. Logan Thomas is interesting, but it's really hard to trust any TE in fantasy football that's not the big names. Curtis Samuel is an absolute steal as the WR49 and ADP of 122. 

The most interesting and exciting part of having any of these Washington players truly break out this season and be on your roster is that fantasy playoff schedule. It's: PHILLY, DALLAS, PHILLY. Those are both defenses that can easily get shredded apart. The problem is; can using up an early pick on Gibson or Terry be good enough to get you into the playoffs? If you're good at fantasy and you want to take a shot at one of these guys, because of the fantasy playoff schedule; go for it. Antonio Gibson could win you your fantasy championship, but I'm not sure he will help you get to the playoffs as a 2nd round pick. 

I do NOT have Washington winning the NFC East. Pump the brakes on them! 

Another thing about Fitzpatrick that has me holding off crowning him or them.

This was from an article that was written when he was on the Jets and this has been his story.


-Drafted as a late-round backup QB onto the St. Louis Rams in 2005
-Replaced injured starter Jamie Martin
-Played well, earned starting spot
-Played crappy
-Traded by the Rams to Cincinnati in 2007
-Replaced Carson Palmer due to injury in 2008
-Played well, earned starting spot
-Played crappy
-Signed as backup QB on Buffalo Bills in 2009
-Replaced injured starter Trent Edwards
-Played well
-Earned big paycheck
-Played crappy
-Signed with Tennessee Titans to backup Jake Locker
-Replaced Jake Locker due to injury
-Played well
-Then played crappy
-Signed with Houston Texans as backup to Ryan Mallett
-Replaced Ryan Mallett due to injury
-Played well
-Then played crappy and got hurt
-Traded to the New York Jets to backup Geno Smith
-Replaced Geno Smith due to injury
-Played well

Then 2016 happened and we got Fitztragic. He ended up looking decent with Tampa after, got to Miami and everyone crowned him a cult hero. Now he's in Washington. You can take a guess on how this is going to end and it aint Magic.

18. Arizona Cardinals

Just like I think not enough was made of the great job the Washington coaching staff did last season, not enough attention was given to just how badly Arizona's Kliff Kingsbury handled things down the stretch. The success of their offence has been based around the unique talents of Kyler Murray and much less their supposedly innovative coach who has shown a significant weakness in situational playcalling, and could not compensate for Murray's struggles post-injury in the final few weeks of the season, going 2-5 to miss the playoffs.

Murray improved significantly in his second season, making better decisions . Having one of the elite receivers in the league in DeAndre Hopkins obviously helped, but there were times when they became a little too one dimensional. The arrival of AJ Green should help address that problem. Green is obviously not the player he once was, but it's not ridiculous to see him having a second wind in the Cardinals potent attack. Arizona has also added the speed of Rondale Moore to the receiver room, and he might be able to contribute in a way that Andy Isabella and Christian Kirk haven't quite managed to achieve. They've freshened up their running back tandem with James Connor replacing Kenyan Drake as Chase Edmonds counterpart - which looks like a more natural power and elusive combination. The biggest acquisition on the offence though is center Rodney Hudson who should make a big difference up front. Arizona is solid on the left hand side of the line with DJ Humphries and Justin Pugh - this could be a sneaky good group.

The defence looks to take another step forward after improving significantly in the second season with Vance Joseph. The equivalent signing to AJ Green on this side of the ball is JJ Watt - a veteran who will be hoping to have a final act in the desert. Arizona were hoping to pair Watt with Chandler Jones, but trade speculation has been swirling around Jones for a while now. They won't be as formidable if Jones does leave, but they do have Markus Golden who can get after the quarterback, proven by his 12 sack season in 2019. Arizona has invested heavily in linebacker spending consecutive first round selections at the position. Isaiah Simmonds took a little while to come on in his rookie season but did show some of his playmaking ability late on. He's now joined by the physical presence of Zaven Collins - the two could be a dynamic pairing for many years to come. The secondary will look strange without Patrick Peterson for the first time in a decade, but Malcolm Butler looks like an adequate replacement. Robert Alford has missed consecutive seasons with injury so they would love him to stay out on the field. Budda Baker is one of the league's best safeties. 

It's been an aggressive offseason, one with a distinct plan of bringing in proven veteran players, which suggests that the current regime knows they need to deliver in 2021. Arizona's incredible victory over Buffalo in Week 10 felt like a breakthrough moment for this team, but it actually turned out to be a bit of a poisoned chalice. They need to play at that high level more consistently throughout the season if they want to make the playoffs in the tough NFC West. 

Why ain't the Saint's shown up yet? Sorry @show but I don't see them as a Top 20 team this year and no way will they be better than the Skins or Cards IMO.

I think they will end the year as a Bottom 5 team and drafting a QB early. Just a prediction of mine.

@admin I think you accidentally put Arizona as 23 but they’re supposed to be 18 if you follow the numeric order you put in.

I’m in love with this whole division this season to be honest. I’m not too high on the fantasy prospects of anyone on this Arizona team though except for Kyler Murray and Rondale Moore as a lottery pick.

I don’t know if Nuk can be excellent every season but he might just be that good where he plays at his ADP every season. I’m not buying AJ Green as a comeback story even though he could very well be. The running game is risky and Edmonds might not be a must buy at his ADP anymore. James Conner might but you have to hope he gets enough play to warrant buying him. He could be a goal line vulture but there’s also Kyler Murray.

An exciting offensive team but I’m only interested in getting Kyler Murray on all my teams. Mind you, before he got hurt he was on pace to not only be the #1 fantasy QB and player last season but to shatter all records. I’ll bank on him shattering all the records this season. I’d rather wait 2-3 rounds more to get Murray then to get Mahomes especially if I can get some legit RB/WR players in the first 4 rounds. Let’s just hope he could stay healthy.

I'll never trust Kingsbury enough to have confidence in the Cardinals to really make some noise. They could make the playoffs but he is certainly not a coach I'd be okay with riding with. Murray is awesome though , Nuk is the 2nd best receiver in the NFL , Rondale Moore might not be a huge fantasy guy but he is going to make this offense more dangerous and especially in the red zone.

I could see them go 11-6 or 7-10 and not be shocked either way though. Just something about the overall makings of the team that I worry about along with the division they play in.

This is some funny shit.

The Athletic's Vic Tafur reports the Raiders inquired about Khalil Mack's availability this offseason.
Raiders head coach Jon Gruden reportedly "cried for three days" after trading the superstar pass rusher to Chicago in 2018 in exchange for a host of draft picks. With the Bears facing a salary cap crunch this spring, Vegas -- featuring one of the NFL's worst pass rushes -- checked in on the team's willingness to trade Mack back to the Silver and Black. The Bears rebuffed the Raiders, who eventually signed pass rusher Yannick Ngakoue. The Raiders didn't want to trade Mack, who forced the team's hand by holding out instead of playing on the fifth-year option of his rookie deal. Mack signed a six-year, $141 million contract extension with Chicago upon being traded. He'll be a free agent in 2025.

17. Minnesota Vikings

There wasn't a more disappointing team in the NFL last season than Minnesota. Consistently posting winning records under Mike Zimmer year after year, his bread and butter of tough defence completely fell apart in 2020 - and the head coach definitely wasn't happy about it. They had a lot of turnover that didn't work, and to fix the things that didn't work, Zimmer and Rick Spielman have made plenty more changes to ensure things are back to respectability.

The offence is strong, particularly at the skill positions. Kirk Cousins is a steady hand at quarterback, and was second in the league last season with an impressive 8.3 yards per attempt, but he does seem to be really pissing off his head coach at the moment. Cousins has two great weapons to work with, rookie superstar Justin Jefferson recording a phenomenal 1400/7 line in his first season, and Adam Thielen was a redzone savant only trailing Adams and Hill with 14 touchdowns. Dalvin Cook is a true dual threat running back and was on an island as the #2 rusher behind Derrick Henry. The only change in the starters is at tight end where the runway is now clear for Irv Smith with Kyle Rudolph moving on after a decade as starter. Smith is more dynamic and raises the ceiling for production at the position, but also drops the floor having only recorded 676 yards over his first two seasons. Whether the offence can repeat as a top-10 type unit rests with the changes to the offensive line which is not coming off a great season. First round draft pick Christian Darrisaw is set to take over at left tackle from Riley Reiff, but he might miss the start of the season through injury. Wyatt Davis was a popular prospect and will hopefully improve their interior, combined with the hope of a better second season from Ezra Cleveland.

Minnesota had a particularly dark day when they allowed Alvin Kamara to rush for six touchdowns on them - but they were truly decimated by injury at that stage. The list of big names set to return is long - Danielle Hunter, Anthony Barr, Eric Kendricks will all be back, plus they'll finally see Michael Pierce in Vikings purple after he opted out. Pierce should form a really impressive group in the middle with this offseason's FA signing Dalvin Tomlinson, and Sheldon Richardson who quietly had a very solid 2020. Zimmer tried to go young at cornerback last season and it didn't pay off, so he's recruited experience this time with Patrick Peterson, Bashaud Breeland and Mackensie Alexander joining Cameron Dantzler. Jeff Gladney is out of the picture after his legal issues. There's also a change at safety where Xavier Woods comes over from Dallas to replace Anthony Harris as Harrison Smith's partner. Hitman Harry still remains one of the league's best at the position.

Assuming they have better injury luck than last season, the defence should be at the very least middle of the pack with so many experience and proven players returning to the lineup. The ceiling of this team probably depends on how well some of it's young players perform - can Jefferson back up his rookie campaign, can the young offensive line settle in, can Dantzler put together a season full of performances like he recorded late on, and can they find a kicker that isn't completely horrible? Mike Zimmer makes the playoffs every second season, I think he'll keep that streak alive.