Doug Jones has been projected as the winner of a combative and controversial Alabama senate race, over Roy Moore.

I guess Alabama is smarter than we give them credit for.

Dec 13, 2017 3:46:59 GMT CM Punk'd said:

I guess Alabama is smarter than we give them credit for.

Black Alabama anyway...

So that's why they're always trying to restrict certain blocks from voting...

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What a great turn of events. Take that, Trump!

It is a great victory but folks still have to be careful. A lot of people in Alabama tried to get Moore elected despite all the clouds hanging over his head.

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

Dec 14, 2017 13:24:04 GMT theend said:

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

Russian conspiracies have nothing on American media.

Dec 14, 2017 13:24:04 GMT theend said:

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

OJ Simpson wouldn’t have gotten my vote for Senate in 1994 either.

Dec 14, 2017 13:24:04 GMT theend said:

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

Do you think the black vote came out because of pedophilia or because his statements in the past have shown him to be an outright racist?

Dec 14, 2017 23:05:29 GMT KJ said:

Dec 14, 2017 13:24:04 GMT theend said:

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

Do you think the black vote came out because of pedophilia or because his statements in the past have shown him to be an outright racist?

First off, can we show they came out or voted differently than they have in the past? We need to establish a baseline before we can establish a change.  And are people calling this a great victory over a racist or over an accused pedo?

Dec 14, 2017 23:05:29 GMT KJ said:

Dec 14, 2017 13:24:04 GMT theend said:

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

Do you think the black vote came out because of pedophilia or because his statements in the past have shown him to be an outright racist?

It looks bad either way

Dec 15, 2017 13:53:44 GMT theend said:

Dec 14, 2017 23:05:29 GMT KJ said:

Do you think the black vote came out because of pedophilia or because his statements in the past have shown him to be an outright racist?

First off, can we show they came out or voted differently than they have in the past? We need to establish a baseline before we can establish a change.  And are people calling this a great victory over a racist or over an accused pedo?

I think they’re calling it both.

And yes, you can look at historical turnout rate for mid-terms, and then look at the drop-off typically seen in special elections.

Dec 13, 2017 3:46:59 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Doug Jones has been projected as the winner of a combative and controversial Alabama senate race, over Roy Moore.

I guess Alabama is smarter than we give them credit for.

Lets be real, Moore was a shitty candidate from the start, even WITHOUT the allegations against him.   This is a man that was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court TWICE, for defying the rulings of the federal courts, and indeed the Supreme Court itself, showing an utter contempt for the rule of law.      Not to mention a track record chock full of predjudice, bigotry, and religious intolerance.  Not to mention some of the most laughable rulings to ever come from the Alabama Bench.   The molestation. allegations against him were the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.    Only 49% of voters in Alabama that came out for Trump went out and voted for Moore, while over 90% of Alabama voters that went AGAINST Trump came out for Jones.   

Moore is DONE as well he should be.   This is the state equivalent of Hillary Clinton losing to Donald Trump.    Jones won by only 1.5% points against a candidate with credible pedophillia accusations against him, and  was already a VERY fringe candidate from the start.    That dosen't bode well for Jones political future in Alabama, especially given that he's only serving the last 2 years of what would have been Sessions' term. 


  

Dec 14, 2017 13:24:04 GMT theend said:

A great day for allegations and accusations to supersede over due process and innocent until proven guilty.

More like a great day for people against racism, homophobia, religious intolerance, and defying the law in favor of one's own personal prejudice. A man that said homosexuality should be a punished with incarceration should not be in power. He defied the law to push his own agenda. He was a horrible politician and a horrible man even without him allegedly being an ephebophile. Let's not act like that was the sole reason. It was simply the most recent one.

You know it's a sad state for politics when a piece of shit like Moore was actually the front runner. But I guess the new thing of being open that your a piece of shit is just oh so adorable to people that they just can't help but put them in positions of power. Glad the fucker lost and shame on the people who voted for this clown. Take out the child predator angle and you still have a man who was an utter piece of shit.

Dec 15, 2017 15:51:21 GMT KJ said:

Dec 15, 2017 13:53:44 GMT theend said:

Dec 14, 2017 23:05:29 GMT KJ said:

Do you think the black vote came out because of pedophilia or because his statements in the past have shown him to be an outright racist?

First off, can we show they came out or voted differently than they have in the past? We need to establish a baseline before we can establish a change.  And are people calling this a great victory over a racist or over an accused pedo?

I think they’re calling it both.

And yes, you can look at historical turnout rate for mid-terms, and then look at the drop-off typically seen in special elections.

For this one, I do think it's the creepy perving on underagers that did it. The black vote went about as expected, but the religious conservatives who would otherwise have turned out in droves stayed home. The electorate already knew about his fundamentalist tendencies so that's not what changed their minds.

Dec 16, 2017 3:05:28 GMT Michinokudriver said:

Dec 15, 2017 15:51:21 GMT KJ said:

I think they’re calling it both.

And yes, you can look at historical turnout rate for mid-terms, and then look at the drop-off typically seen in special elections.

For this one, I do think it's the creepy perving on underagers that did it. The black vote went about as expected, but the religious conservatives who would otherwise have turned out in droves stayed home. The electorate already knew about his fundamentalist tendencies so that's not what changed their minds.

The black vote absolutely over-delivered. Who that voted for isn’t a surprise, but the turnout was well above norms.

Dec 15, 2017 20:54:35 GMT thereallt said:

Dec 13, 2017 3:46:59 GMT CM Punk'd said:

Doug Jones has been projected as the winner of a combative and controversial Alabama senate race, over Roy Moore.

I guess Alabama is smarter than we give them credit for.

Lets be real, Moore was a shitty candidate from the start, even WITHOUT the allegations against him.   This is a man that was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court TWICE, for defying the rulings of the federal courts, and indeed the Supreme Court itself, showing an utter contempt for the rule of law.      Not to mention a track record chock full of predjudice, bigotry, and religious intolerance.  Not to mention some of the most laughable rulings to ever come from the Alabama Bench.   The molestation. allegations against him were the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.    Only 49% of voters in Alabama that came out for Trump went out and voted for Moore, while over 90% of Alabama voters that went AGAINST Trump came out for Jones.   

Moore is DONE as well he should be.   This is the state equivalent of Hillary Clinton losing to Donald Trump.    Jones won by only 1.5% points against a candidate with credible pedophillia accusations against him, and  was already a VERY fringe candidate from the start.    That dosen't bode well for Jones political future in Alabama, especially given that he's only serving the last 2 years of what would have been Sessions' term. 


  

Technically three years, but I think it’s freeing politically to not have any real reason to think you’ll be back the next time around.

Alabama decided that Democrats are 3% better than pedophiles.

Dec 16, 2017 21:37:57 GMT theend said:

Alabama decided that Democrats are 3% better than pedophiles.

White people decided pedophiles were overwhelmingly better.

Dec 16, 2017 22:01:20 GMT KJ said:

Dec 16, 2017 21:37:57 GMT theend said:

Alabama decided that Democrats are 3% better than pedophiles.

White people decided pedophiles were overwhelmingly better.

If r Kelly would have ran it would have been interesting.

Dec 17, 2017 15:09:56 GMT theend said:

Dec 16, 2017 22:01:20 GMT KJ said:

White people decided pedophiles were overwhelmingly better.

If r Kelly would have ran it would have been interesting.

Why the hell would he run

Dec 17, 2017 15:09:56 GMT theend said:

Dec 16, 2017 22:01:20 GMT KJ said:

White people decided pedophiles were overwhelmingly better.

If r Kelly would have ran it would have been interesting.

You're really having a hard time understanding this race, aren't you?

Pedophilia accusations aside, Roy Moore was an abysmal candidate and a terribly person. It speaks more to how terrible evangelicals are that they can "overlook" (read: support) racism, homophobia, sexism, religious prejudice, etc. when evaluating the qualifications of a political candidate.

Dec 17, 2017 17:46:11 GMT KJ said:

Dec 17, 2017 15:09:56 GMT theend said:

If r Kelly would have ran it would have been interesting.

You're really having a hard time understanding this race, aren't you?

Pedophilia accusations aside, Roy Moore was an abysmal candidate and a terribly person. It speaks more to how terrible evangelicals are that they can "overlook" (read: support) racism, homophobia, sexism, religious prejudice, etc. when evaluating the qualifications of a political candidate.

 You do understand there are many aspects to what makes someone vote for one candidate over another right? Especially when you are restricted to only two choices. To expect that all people have the same key issues as you that would cause them to vote or not vote a certain way is very odd. An evangelical may say a similar phrase as you "it speaks to how terrible left wing people are that they can overlook abortion, non christian values (or whatever they consider non negotiable". Never mind the fact that the two parties have considerably different views on how to run your country financially. And often you aren't voting for the person, you're voting for the party policies, why would you go vote for a party that you asre completely against their policies just because their candidate has some blemishes?

Dec 17, 2017 18:06:51 GMT nazzer said:

Dec 17, 2017 17:46:11 GMT KJ said:

You're really having a hard time understanding this race, aren't you?

Pedophilia accusations aside, Roy Moore was an abysmal candidate and a terribly person. It speaks more to how terrible evangelicals are that they can "overlook" (read: support) racism, homophobia, sexism, religious prejudice, etc. when evaluating the qualifications of a political candidate.

 You do understand there are many aspects to what makes someone vote for one candidate over another right? Especially when you are restricted to only two choices. To expect that all people have the same key issues as you that would cause them to vote or not vote a certain way is very odd. An evangelical may say a similar phrase as you "it speaks to how terrible left wing people are that they can overlook abortion, non christian values (or whatever they consider non negotiable". Never mind the fact that the two parties have considerably different views on how to run your country financially. And often you aren't voting for the person, you're voting for the party policies, why would you go vote for a party that you asre completely against their policies just because their candidate has some blemishes?

Sorry, I don't buy that. Yes - a candidate is always going to have disagreeable positions, but evangelicals are mostly one-issue voters: abortion. Nothing else, including absolutely bigotry and even pedophilia, matters.

KJ,

You don't buy what? That people are willing to bend on certain issues and not others? You don't buy that a person who has voted republican for their whole life will continue to do so when a candidate, who really doesn't have much affect over things (party policies trump individual actions), has a slight blemish? You don't buy that Traditional republican voters will contnnue to support a party whose platforms aligh with their views; including financial and religious?

Dec 17, 2017 19:06:23 GMT nazzer said:

KJ ,

You don't buy what? That people are willing to bend on certain issues and not others? You don't buy that a person who has voted republican for their whole life will continue to do so when a candidate, who really doesn't have much affect over things (party policies trump individual actions), has a slight blemish? You don't buy that Traditional republican voters will contnnue to support a party whose platforms aligh with their views; including financial and religious?

I don't agree there are "many issues." It's abortion. Everything else doesn't matter to these so-called "family values" voters.

Dec 17, 2017 21:28:44 GMT KJ said:

Dec 17, 2017 19:06:23 GMT nazzer said:

KJ ,

You don't buy what? That people are willing to bend on certain issues and not others? You don't buy that a person who has voted republican for their whole life will continue to do so when a candidate, who really doesn't have much affect over things (party policies trump individual actions), has a slight blemish? You don't buy that Traditional republican voters will contnnue to support a party whose platforms aligh with their views; including financial and religious?

I don't agree there are "many issues." It's abortion. Everything else doesn't matter to these so-called "family values" voters.

You're displaying a clear lack of understanding of the issues. 

I"m just going to be copy and pasting some stuff from a basic google search about republicans vs democrats

1) "In general, Republicans tend to take a more conservative stand on issues. They believe that the federal government should not play a big role in people's lives. Most Republicans favor lower taxes and less government spending on social programs. They believe in less government intervention in business and the economy."

Please explain to me what being accuse of sexual harassment has to do with someones beliefs in social program spending and tax laws? The correct answer to my question is 'there is no connection between sexual harasment claims and policies on social program spending and tax laws. What do we get from this? An example of how someone could vote for someone, because that persons views align with theirs with respect to social spending and tax laws. 

2) I understand there is a large difference in opinions on how to deal with healthcare between republicans and democrats. Why would someone vote for a candidate that holds significantly different opinions on how to deal with healthcare than them? THe correct answer is they wouldn't, because it would be stupid to vote for someone that disagrees with a basic philosophy. To not understand this is silly. 

3) There is a stark difference in immigration policy between republicans and democrats. Unless you can explain a way that immigration policy is connected to a harassment claim, the you should be able to understand why a republican would continue to vote for the republican candidate. 

Your issue seems to be understanding why republicans would continue to vote for a candidate such as the republican candidate available to them in this election. The answer would appear to be something to the effect of - because many of that candidates beliefs on policies such as taxes, spending, social programs, healthcare, and immigration align with their. This should not be hard to understand. 

Whether or not voters who are not strictly aligned with the democrat or republican party voted for this person is a completely different discussion. 

Oh nazzer ...

I know exactly what the Republican party is.

My problem is with the religious, bible-thumped, one-issue voters that makes up the evangelical base of the Republican party. We can debate all the day the party lines of Dems/Repubs, but this morally-bankrupt collection vote simply on the basis of abortion (maybe gay marriage, but that's a smaller issue if it does register).

Now, if the argument is party over decency (which Moore is certainly not "decent"), then the only Alabamians that have my respect are the 20,000 that wrote in Nick Saban. If you can say "my party platform is more important than the underage girls Moore assaulted," you're a piece of shit.

The problem is the two party system. A voter that doesn't support democratic ideals and doesn't want to support Moore's ethics is left with no choices. (barring any third party candidate that I have no problem admitting I have no idea about)

Here in Canada there are legitimate chances for new parties to gain power, so the voters are less likely to be faced with such a Lose lose option on the ballot.