Apr 12, 2022 7:00:28 GMT c said:

Only Tony did the studies. And I am pretty fucking sure given his love of data science he actual did get people to do a networked sentiment analysis to examine the demographics of those who hate his product. I know I would and his knowledge of data science is far beyond mine.

Tony did some blow, watched some Joe Rogan Experience and went on twitter. That's what happened.

Apr 12, 2022 3:49:35 GMT NATH45 said:

Apr 12, 2022 1:22:07 GMT Blindy said:

Nikkita Lyons mate. That's all. 

Imagine booking a Lyons v Ripley, 2 out of 3 falls match.

Christ.

The 18-49 male demo is waiting for Lyons stripping(Figuratively of course) the title off of Mandy Rose. 

Apr 12, 2022 7:51:40 GMT Todd said:

Apr 12, 2022 4:43:10 GMT c said:

More people post about AEW shows as they go on here than WWE ones.  People also speak more positively than AEW than WWE in general.  So fine by me if less people watch, if they enjoy what they see, which is not the case with the vast majority of what WWE is offering.  

Imagine thinking the IWC bubble is representative of how people feel about wrestling as a whole.

Said the man talking about wrestling on the internet on a wrestling forum. 

Well those silent millions who never engage in wrestling discussion online also do not appear to be watching anymore so fuck them.

Everyone else can be data mined.

Apr 12, 2022 16:21:37 GMT KITN said:

Apr 12, 2022 7:51:40 GMT Todd said:

Imagine thinking the IWC bubble is representative of how people feel about wrestling as a whole.

Said the man talking about wrestling on the internet on a wrestling forum. 

Right? And? Does that make my opinion representative of the public as a whole? How does that diminish my point?

Apr 12, 2022 16:33:00 GMT c said:

Well those silent millions who never engage in wrestling discussion online also do not appear to be watching anymore so fuck them.

Everyone else can be data mined.

Let me guess, those 80m YouTube subscribers don’t count, right?

"WWE broadcasts to more than 180 countries in 30 languages and can be seen in 1 billion television households worldwide each week."

That's right, fuck them. It's the demo that matters most.

And c, you realise there was no real study. The man has a serious attention deficit problem, tweets about getting little sleep and is (all jokes aside) a suspected drug user.

You realize that Tony likely already conducted said study a few times as the test is routinely used and often requested by advertisers to make sure there is alignment in what they are selling and your audience.

If we are talking about a national market and a global market then you truly are comparing apples or oranges.

Trust me, what I see on social media... the participants aren't bots, and they aren't all pro-AEW either.

The "study" was to suggest that the negative feedback wasn't legitimate.

The ICW has shit on WWE for 2+ decades now, AEW isn't immune and they need to start being big boys when it comes to criticism. You can't take a sabbatical and call everyone toxic every time someone says something critical or make up a conspiracy about WWE hiring bots to copy/paste negative comments about you to discredit the growing negative feedback.

So you are implying that someone who founded companies based on data science would not not be engaging in standard data science practices related to social media and instead focus solely on determining if people mean to him are bots?

Get real, this is something that came from routine LDA methods with a LPA followup that Tony routinely is having done, and owns a company that does just this. He made the mistake of reporting on with a poor choice of words but does not matter since people would have shredded him whatever he said.

What comes up often in these analyses is a set of profiles that solely comment on a single topic in a negative manner with no other association on said topic. It is assumed these are response bots or unfaithful actors when running this sort of analysis. Tony likely did not consider the third option, these are simply trolls fucking with him.

But hey sure the people who have no statistical background, never engaged in textual analysis or even run this set of analysis are the true experts on it. And surely Tony has no idea of these methods despite TruMedia, his company, being one of the groups known to use them.

It was a stupid comment to suggest there is a conspiracy theory behind negative feedback.

Suggesting the market leader has an army of bots publishing negative feedback online against its distant, barely there competition. LOL. It's Trump-level bullshit.

Are they paying people not to watch Rampage also? If so, where's my cheque?

You can justify his comment with your inane babbling bullshit until the cows come home, but the reality is: not everyone likes AEW.

And a massive part of those people who don't like AEW love to comment about how awful it is, because the aewsexuals will die on any hill defending AEW.

It was a dumbass dickhead suggestion by TK, and he was rightfully mocked for it.

And people who trash AEW without interacting with other wrestling elements are the exact people that AEW should utterly ignore. Which ultimately is why this is a meaningless thread at this point. It has nothing to do with the AEW product, or the competitors. It is just a rag on AEW for not having the same ratings as the embedded industry leader.

But hey, people can have their fun now, because very likely Vince will not longer be part of WWE at the end of 2023 and those same people trashing AEW will be begging them for work after Disney fires majority of the executives and creative.

Well no, the purpose of the thread is to keep a record and discuss the war of the words between both companies, the ratings are merely a part of that discussion.

Thread is basically nothing more than a bash AEW thread and has been for months now.  Should be in the WWE at this point since most of the shit here is just that WWE has better ratings.

Hell most of the thread has nothing to do at all with AEW or what AEW is doing at all since most people posting in it do not actually watch WWE or AEW.

To be fair, no one watches AEW.

Not everyone can be the spitting image of success like Raw.

1 billion television households, worldwide each week. It's doing fine, chicken little.

And not everyone can be as successful as Wrestlemania

I feel like c is taking this thread a little too seriously.

Don’t get me wrong, I love AEW but Tony is so goofy sometimes that he deserves shit like this.

Tony deserve some of the heat he gets, but the daily AEW sucks because they are not outdoing a fed with 40 years experience posts are fucking old.

I feel like other than nath’s weird posts comparing Rampage and NXT, I feel like most of what’s posted here is fine. Let’s not forget this all started last year when a lot of people in the wrestling community thought Dynamite would start competing with Raw. I remember the famous ‘Next week could be a massacre’ tweet that Bryan Alvarez will never live down. It hasn’t happened, but that doesn’t mean AEW isn’t doing well and I try to puff them up whenever something good happens like selling out the LA forum. Some of the AEW bashing is a bit lame, I agree with c on that. I also agree with Show that Tony Khan is asking for this by being such a live wire on Twitter.

I’m much more of a casual wrestling watcher now that I’m older. I’m mostly watching shows with my wife so I get to see wrestling through a different lense. I may prefer AEW but she enjoys WWE’s presentation more(and I think that’s mostly because of Roman Reigns lol) so I think I enjoy watching WWE more because of that. So, in that sense, I don’t really follow ratings and am out of the loop on all of that so I guess I really don’t understand all the focus on ratings especially in this day and age. But hey, who am I to judge? I’m just happy there’s this much conversation and passion for wrestling again(despite what side you’re on).

And I think we can all agree that Tony needs to chill the fuck out of Twitter and hire himself a handler.

Based on the ratings/viewership, shouldn't this be made a subforum of Rest of Wrestling at this point? (@ness)

Apr 13, 2022 13:05:09 GMT 🤯 said:

Based on the ratings/viewership, shouldn't this be made a subforum of Rest of Wrestling at this point? (@ness)

Oh shit, shots fired 😂

Read through even the last five pages of this thread and you will see it is almost all AEW rating bashing / no one watches AEW at all shit. It is annoying and adds dick of value. Like if people want a want a WWE circle jerk thread for how they beat AEW in ratings, put it in that forum.

All this AEW is an utter disappointment shit is insane given they are a top cable show week in and week out with the network speaking highly of the success.

Sure Tony's recent bot comment was stupid, but most people like do not get that the independent study he did is one all companies run on a monthly basis, as once you set it up once, it can be rerun by rerunning the same script. Simple text analysis of tweeter to check if you are missing something in your other data. Here they found a cluster of accounts that post negative shit without interacting with other wrestling content, which traditionally means bots in this sort of analysis. When I get my new PC setup maybe I will run the analysis since it should be fast enough to breakdown the shit. One thing Tony is not, is good at explaining this shit. Can see the accounts he was talking about though if you go through the negative comments. Some post nothing about wrestling, or anything but AEW sucks shit. Not sure if they are bots or trolls, but at some point it does not matter, as any troll can set up a twitter bot.

Apr 13, 2022 12:58:46 GMT @theshow said:

I’m much more of a casual wrestling watcher now that I’m older. I’m mostly watching shows with my wife so I get to see wrestling through a different lense. I may prefer AEW but she enjoys WWE’s presentation more(and I think that’s mostly because of Roman Reigns lol) so I think I enjoy watching WWE more because of that. So, in that sense, I don’t really follow ratings and am out of the loop on all of that so I guess I really don’t understand all the focus on ratings especially in this day and age. But hey, who am I to judge? I’m just happy there’s this much conversation and passion for wrestling again(despite what side you’re on).

And I think we can all agree that Tony needs to chill the fuck out of Twitter and hire himself a handler.

He should not be speaking at all directly to people on shit like this.  That is what a publicist is for.  He is smart for cutting the cameras before he comes out at live shows, but needs to realize that anything he says people will shit on.  Should just let the bucks say shit like this on their show.

No one is denying bots exist on Twitter. But Tony implied Vince was paying for it. More than likely it’s just bots attaching themselves to accounts that have a lot of followers.

Apr 13, 2022 13:12:19 GMT c said:

All this AEW is an utter disappointment shit is insane given they are a top cable show week in and week out with the network speaking highly of the success.

In the demo. Not in total viewership.

You're measuring it's total success in how 1 single demographic reacts to it. 4 x as many people watch Fox News each night compared to Dynamite. 2 x as many watch RAW and Smackdown.

Although that demo may be considered especially valuable to advertisers, more eyes are on other shows than AEW.

Including NXT, a developmental territory that out draws AEW Rampage - every week in total viewership.

Tony made the mistake of thinking people understood what he was saying, when A) he is weird as fuck and no people never understands what he means at the best of times and b) he did not even try to properly say what he meant in the tweet itself.

He was right that people are running bots at this point just to trash what AEW does. He did clarify but no one cares since they do not want the truth, only what can be memed.

Waiting for final study but here’s what my expert confirmed.  It’s people with real live accounts making posts and then using their bots to manipulate the social channel algorithm by backing them up with engagement from a made-up Twitter identity. Social media teams will often fight on this. Bots are great for numbers and when they’re gone, you’ll see a dip in digital conversation impressions – both those were either negative sentiment or not real anyway.

For example, I tweet Megha only eats rotten bananas. I throw say 18 bots behind it (which takes about 5 minutes to do) Twitter security can’t differentiate when done well (neither can most social teams). The problem becomes, every time people type Megha into the search bar, because of a real account supported by bots- the first suggested result would be tweets about Megha eating rotten bananas. I’m oversimplifying, but that’s the 5 cent version of what’s happening.

Apr 13, 2022 13:37:02 GMT NATH45 said:

Apr 13, 2022 13:12:19 GMT c said:

All this AEW is an utter disappointment shit is insane given they are a top cable show week in and week out with the network speaking highly of the success.

In the demo. Not in total viewership.

You're measuring it's total success in how 1 single demographic reacts to it. 4 x as many people watch Fox News each night compared to Dynamite. 2 x as many watch RAW and Smackdown.

Although that demo may be considered especially valuable to advertisers, more eyes are on other shows than AEW.

Including NXT, a developmental territory that out draws AEW Rampage - every week in total viewership.

No straight out in cable TV period they are a top cable show.  Not wrestling, straight cable in all demographics measures.