Dynamite is a top cable show by accepted industry metrics. It can’t be disputed. Raw is too.

In this thread it is widely believed that neither Dynamite or Rampage are successful shows at all and should be cancelled for low ratings. I assuming that if you follow that logic TBS and TNT also should be shut down, since AEW is often their top weekly show. And failing that badly, with two of their top channels failing, WarnerMedia should just give it up. Poor Ted Turner, never amounted to anything in life since Rampage did not beat NXT in ratings.

Only nath is saying that, why not just ignore him?

Apr 13, 2022 13:55:19 GMT Todd said:

Only nath is saying that, why not just ignore him?

For real. All I see is this dude comparing NXT to Rampage for some reason. NXT is on Tuesday nights at 7:00 locally while Rampage is on Friday nights at 9:00 locally. For me, NXT is far more accessible. That’s why using rating numbers in certain situations is flawed. I hate using what ifs but if NXT and Rampage switched time slots, I think you’d see a big difference.

Might as well rename this the nath45 trolls c thread.

Feel like the same "debate" has been going on for most of the thread.

Apr 13, 2022 15:45:06 GMT Emperor said:

Might as well rename this the nath45 trolls c thread.

Feel like the same "debate" has been going on for most of the thread.

*"NATH45 Trolls c feat. Middle Ground Moderation & Objective Perspectives by Todd"

Apr 13, 2022 15:45:06 GMT Emperor said:

Might as well rename this the nath45 trolls c thread.

Feel like the same "debate" has been going on for most of the thread.

Isn't that PW as a whole?

Random Aussie trolls C.

Political thread replace nath with incy.

All the political posts started to troll Kid actually. Kid keep posting that Trump was such a great president that I started to list every single fuckup he made.

You never even mentioned Bobby Lindsey!

Apr 13, 2022 13:55:19 GMT Todd said:

Only nath is saying that, why not just ignore him?

I don't recall asking for their cancellation. I could be wrong.

But if reruns of TBBT outrate Dynamite, I'm not sure I'd pay $50m a year for it when I could have a Sheldon Cooper marathon and get the same result. For free.

The only one calling for AEW’s cancellation is c when he gets dramatic over some ratings criticism! (Which is a game AEW themselves started)

A Show v A Show.

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Wednesday’s live edition of AEW Dynamite drew 977,000 viewers on TBS, according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

This week’s Dynamite viewership was down 19.85% from the same week in 2021. The key demo rating was down 15.90% from the previous year.

This week’s Dynamite drew a 0.37 rating in the key 18-49 demographic. This is down 2.63% from last week’s 0.38 rating

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WWE Monday Night RAW episode of 11 April 2022 had an average viewership of 1.803 million over three hours of the show. The 18-49 demographic rating is 0.54.

Friday’s live post-WrestleMania 38 edition of WWE SmackDown drew an average of 2.230 million viewers on FOX, according to Nielsen, via Showbuzz Daily.

Friday’s WrestleMania SmackDown drew a 0.60 rating in the key 18-49 demographic.

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So, WWE had the demo too. Does that make WWE the new #demogod?

If Dynamite gets close to a million and NXT is getting 650-700 is that why you don't compare them directly since AEW "wins"?

Apr 14, 2022 23:42:08 GMT @ness said:

If Dynamite gets close to a million and NXT is getting 650-700 is that why you don't compare them directly since AEW "wins"?

Dynamite is the A Show.

Smackdown is the A Show.

Rampage is the B Show.

Raw is the B Show.....


NXT is a developmental territory.

We can compare Rampage to Raw if you want a bloodbath. I'm giving Rampage a fair fight against NXT 2.0.

Apr 14, 2022 23:08:57 GMT NATH45 said:

A Show v A Show.

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Wednesday’s live edition of AEW Dynamite drew 977,000 viewers on TBS, according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

This week’s Dynamite viewership was down 19.85% from the same week in 2021. The key demo rating was down 15.90% from the previous year.

This week’s Dynamite drew a 0.37 rating in the key 18-49 demographic. This is down 2.63% from last week’s 0.38 rating

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WWE Monday Night RAW episode of 11 April 2022 had an average viewership of 1.803 million over three hours of the show. The 18-49 demographic rating is 0.54.

Friday’s live post-WrestleMania 38 edition of WWE SmackDown drew an average of 2.230 million viewers on FOX, according to Nielsen, via Showbuzz Daily.

Friday’s WrestleMania SmackDown drew a 0.60 rating in the key 18-49 demographic.

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So, WWE had the demo too. Does that make WWE the new #demogod?

To be fair, last year was the first week that NXT moved to Tuesday nights and AEW saw a big bump in ratings. It's a bit of an outlier to compare this show to the same week last year.

Survivor this week absolutely crushed WWE drawing a 5.12 million viewers and a .79 market demo.

Clearly WWE needs to add a timeturner.

Not mentioned that AEW was ranked third in the key demo for weds night on cable, beaten only by two NBA games.

Raw was the top cable show but readily beaten by American Idol, Country Music Awards and 911 in the key demo, and by those plus Lone Star, Good Doctor on Broadcast, and the entire Fox nightly news lineup on Cable for total viewers. Maddow also beat Raw, and many of Fox's afternoon shows did as well.

So American, why can Raw top not shows by honest Americans like Tucker Carlson? What happened to their billions of fans worldwide? And does anyone else find it odd that when Trump was a part of the program they were doing the best they ever were, but then Trump ran for office and WWE stopped using him? Could this be why their ratings are so low now?

Dynamite was up against the NBA play-in games. For non basketball lovers, these are single game eliminations where jeopardy is at its highest in the basketball season. A tough thing to go against, so that’s a solid rating there for Dynamite. Raw is doing really well and has pulled itself out of the gutter it was in last year.

They're getting smashed. WWE has AEW on total viewership and its precious demo. Any talk of any competition or rivalry is loony.

Game. Set. Match.

Concede defeat, and I'll never post in this thread again and put my efforts into trolling the 'coming and going' thread.

And Tucker smashes WWE. In more ways than one.

Apr 15, 2022 6:54:01 GMT NATH45 said:

They're getting smashed. WWE has AEW on total viewership and its precious demo. Any talk of any competition or rivalry is loony.

Game. Set. Match.

Concede defeat, and I'll never post in this thread again and put my efforts into trolling the 'coming and going' thread.

Why even troll at all though?

Big weekend for Rampage, could easily double their ratings this weekend with TK giving away a PPV main event.

EDIT: Forgot it's an earlier time-slot as well. They should hit a 1,000,000+.

It’s up against the Cleveland/Atlanta play in game, I wouldn’t expect miracles. It will be interesting to see what it can pull in that slot though.

We'll have a bet.

If Rampage pulls +1,000,000 viewers, I'll never post in this thread again for c's sake.

If it doesn't, it's free game. Or back to it.

It’s not going to do a million on a Friday in a new time slot H2H with a big NBA game. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, but I doubt I will be.

Not even sure it will do it's normal rating in that slot. I am passing on it. The best part of a Texas Death Match is the name. The matches themselves are snoozefests IMO.  Not been a great one in a long, long time.  Think Foley vs Vader was the last one I liked.

What if we take a last man standing but make it even slower? TDM!

Sounds so bad ass too...

Well, well, Bryan Alvarez has just gone off on the toxicity of AEW’s fanbase. Interested to see peoples thoughts on this because this has been my number one bug bear with the company for the longest time, being unable to criticise anything they do without qualifying ‘I love AEW but’. Even Alvarez does it in his rant.

Apr 18, 2022 9:48:32 GMT Todd said:

Well, well, Bryan Alvarez has just gone off on the toxicity of AEW’s fanbase. Interested to see peoples thoughts on this because this has been my number one bug bear with the company for the longest time, being unable to criticise anything they do without qualifying ‘I love AEW but’. Even Alvarez does it in his rant.

There's a lot to unpack.

So let's use the Danhausen example, I believe there's a lot at play here. I believe he represents the new age AEW star, a self-made guy who didn't require a corporate suit to put together a state of the art video package and the moment you begin messing with that presentation the moment it loses it's authenticity. AEW has built it's reputation on a DIY basis - we the fans supported BTE which gave birth to AEW because we related to them and realised they were fans just like us who wanted to live the dream. Danhausen fits into that mould as well.

So when that character is rejected for whatever reason, there's got to be a segment of fans who internalise it. Because they see a lot of their interests being represented by Danhausen so when fans say 'they don't get it' well they don't get them.

The other thing is that I believe we tend to focus on the negatives more than the positives. The past week of AEW was jam-packed and across three different shows they basically gave you an entire PPV for free. Yet when it was all said and done a segment of the audience only wanted to talk about Danhausen and this Rose/Rosa segment that took up all of a minute. Did those segments really require that much attention?

There's also the gatekeeping aspect but that has seemingly died down in recent months. Back in the day the go-to line was 'watch the vlogs' because there would be one joke or character detail in-between all the faux gay humour which was pretty lame.

Then there's Alvarez who has a history of poorly handling criticism and going on these tirades on his board when people dare to disagree with him. I'd actually like to have seen what was written.

So essentially I believe it goes back to the whole content creator appeal of AEW and how fans perceive a lot of criticism to be bullying even when it comes from good intentions.

IMO it is fans that want a battle between between AEW and WWE who are the problem. Many pick a brand, only watch that brand and trash the other fed ala the attitude era. Except that is really stupid given you can like both products. And since most stuff is streamed these days, it is not like you cannot just watch the people you like on products and skip the rest. I skip most of WWE but will watch Liv and Reigns any chance I can. And I skip about 1/3rd of AEW. Lucha Express comes on and I am out for instance.

But see this in many places, politics, sports teams, video games, etc.

It's gatekeeper stuff that alienates casual or potential new fans.

It's like metal. If you don't live it and can name all the obscure bullshit no-one cares about, you're not really a fan. And real metal fans will tell you that. I recently saw a video of a metal blogger walking around at festivals asking punters to name songs by whoever was on their t-shirt.. then doing his best Jim Halpert to the camera, snickering to himself. That's gatekeeper stuff. It's done to appease his gatekeeper audience.

And you see that on social media, if you're not dying on every hill for every ridiculous thing AEW does, you're a WWE Mark. If you're critical of something in AEW, you're a WWE Mark. And it's often the overinflated sense that AEW is amazing, it's OK.. Maybe good for 20 minutes at a time, but for the most, it's oversaturated with insufferable people and underwhelming performances.

That's why I'm happy to remind dweebs that no-one watches your show...

Speaking of which..

AEW Rampage last week garnered a total viewership of 482,000 (0.22 rating in the demo) for a show that featured an AEW World Championship main event between Hangman Adam Page and Adam Cole. Total viewership was down 20%, while 18-49 viewership was down 12%.

Last week, NXT 2.0 drew 610,000 viewers.

I thought we were predicting a stronger result with its 7pm timeslot?