Nov 17, 2021 7:03:38 GMT NATH45 said:

they've righted the wrongs with Miro. 

Speaking of, I've found myself wondering who's idea it was to give him that horrible influencer gimmick when he first came to AEW. Was it Tony's idea? Was it something Miro wanted to try?

I actually didn't mind him as a trio with Sabian and Ford but his gimmick was pure garbage. There was one moment where I thought the subdued/chill gamer that completely snaps and kills you at a moment's notice could work, but it just didn't connect and wasn't going anywhere. I'm glad they reverted back to "European monster that kills you for fun."

Nov 17, 2021 9:40:51 GMT Big Pete said:

I don't frequent /SC too often but I was reading a thread about a deleted Twitter post from EyePatchWolf (Irish YouTuber who speaks in an unnecessary dramatic cadence) defending Cody. One of the replies was something to the effect of 'if it wasn't for Cody we wouldn't get Fuego on TV nor BTE references and I seriously didn't know if he was standing up for Cody or condemning him.

I want to see this thread. That guy can't be serious. 

Nov 17, 2021 17:01:01 GMT RT said:

Nov 17, 2021 7:03:38 GMT NATH45 said:

they've righted the wrongs with Miro. 

Speaking of, I've found myself wondering who's idea it was to give him that horrible influencer gimmick when he first came to AEW. Was it Tony's idea? Was it something Miro wanted to try?

I actually didn't mind him as a trio with Sabian and Ford but his gimmick was pure garbage. There was one moment where I thought the subdued/chill gamer that completely snaps and kills you at a moment's notice could work, but it just didn't connect and wasn't going anywhere. I'm glad they reverted back to "European monster that kills you for fun."

Nov 17, 2021 9:40:51 GMT Big Pete said:

I don't frequent /SC too often but I was reading a thread about a deleted Twitter post from EyePatchWolf (Irish YouTuber who speaks in an unnecessary dramatic cadence) defending Cody. One of the replies was something to the effect of 'if it wasn't for Cody we wouldn't get Fuego on TV nor BTE references and I seriously didn't know if he was standing up for Cody or condemning him.

I want to see this thread. That guy can't be serious. 

I must have conflated the post with a few others on the site because they seem way into Fuego, presumably because of Sammy's vlog.

I like Cody Rhodes, is he batting a 1.000 on everything?

No, of course not but if he didnt have the balls to take a bet and the fallout from that, none of us are here now talking about an Anxious Millennial Cowboy or Dark Order or BUDGE or Gods Rejected Champion. We dont get Christian winning a world title, Sting isnt wrestling and Tony Schiavone wouldnt be calling it.

Hell i dont get introduced to Eddie Kingston on tv and now hes one of my favorites or get to see CM Punk wrestle live and in color

Is a lot of that conjecture and required a metric fuckton of dominoes to fall just right? Definitely but All In was the first domino and by god look at the outcome

I don't know when it happened, but I actually find myself agreeing with Danielson here:

My favourite promo in AEW history...which coincidentally took place on a vlog.

This is the funniest thing to happen in a long time, Tay Conti is clearly offended and it's fantastic to watch.

145k buys for AEW, a very good number at a horrible time of year. 4 PPVs a year was one of the best early decisions Khan made. He will probably add more in the future, but it was so important to establish the importance of these events in the formation years. Now they’re doing close to 150k in November, and they’ve established their paying audience.

Whatculture mocking NXT 2.0 after it did 574,000.

NXT went head to head with the NBA.

What isn't reported, AEW Rampage did 515,000 that same week.







" But, but, but... the demo. "

AEW's A-Show v WWE's B-Show.

" The ratings and viewership data are in for last night’s (Nov. 17) episode of AEW Dynamite.

Per ShowBuzzDaily, Dynamite netted 984,000 viewers for a 0.37 rating point in the 18-49 year old demographic. "

" WWE Monday Night RAW episode of 15 November 2021 had an average viewership of 1.585 million over three hours of the show. The 18-49 demographic rating is 0.42 "

" Friday night's AEW Rampage averaged 556,000 viewers on TNT, up eight percent from the previous week. "

Total viewership was 1,540,000 for Dynamite and Rampage. WWE's worst show did 45,000 more viewers than both AEW shows combined.

And of course " Friday Night is a bad night for wrestling " is the likely response...

" Friday’s episode of WWE SmackDown drew an average of 1.988 million viewers in the overnight ratings "

Or 3.5x the ratings of Rampage.

Talk of war is very quiet at the moment from the AEW fanboys.

The expectation some fans have of AEW catching WWE and beating them is IMO from years of mis-reporting from Dave the Melt about WWE's ratings. He's portrayed WWE as this falling star, losing viewers hand over fist, which of course to a certain extent is right, but is lacking major context regarding the evolution of media consumption. In reality, WWE's ratings are excellent in the current landscape. Hence, record rights deals. But because everyone thinks the ratings are shit, it lowers the bar of what people think needs to happen for AEW to overtake them. AEW overtaking WWE is not impossible, but it's Everest.

AEW fans shouldn't be disheartened. They constantly rank among the top cable shows. They have an average attendance of around 5,000 people. They have sold out arenas. They average 150k PPV buys, which is incredible. They are a major company and that's great, but people have to realise just how big WWE is.

Nov 23, 2021 20:39:16 GMT NATH45 said:

AEW's A-Show v WWE's B-Show.

" The ratings and viewership data are in for last night’s (Nov. 17) episode of AEW Dynamite.

Per ShowBuzzDaily, Dynamite netted 984,000 viewers for a 0.37 rating point in the 18-49 year old demographic. "

" WWE Monday Night RAW episode of 15 November 2021 had an average viewership of 1.585 million over three hours of the show. The 18-49 demographic rating is 0.42 "

" Friday night's AEW Rampage averaged 556,000 viewers on TNT, up eight percent from the previous week. "

Total viewership was 1,540,000 for Dynamite and Rampage. WWE's worst show did 45,000 more viewers than both AEW shows combined.

And of course " Friday Night is a bad night for wrestling " is the likely response...

" Friday’s episode of WWE SmackDown drew an average of 1.988 million viewers in the overnight ratings "

Or 3.5x the ratings of Rampage.

Talk of war is very quiet at the moment from the AEW fanboys.

It's cute how in the same post you say "AEW A Show" and "Rampage". Are you trying to do a thing where you subtley shit on AEW? Or are you just bad at words?

Nov 23, 2021 22:38:26 GMT nazzer said:

Nov 23, 2021 20:39:16 GMT NATH45 said:

AEW's A-Show v WWE's B-Show.

" The ratings and viewership data are in for last night’s (Nov. 17) episode of AEW Dynamite.

Per ShowBuzzDaily, Dynamite netted 984,000 viewers for a 0.37 rating point in the 18-49 year old demographic. "

" WWE Monday Night RAW episode of 15 November 2021 had an average viewership of 1.585 million over three hours of the show. The 18-49 demographic rating is 0.42 "

" Friday night's AEW Rampage averaged 556,000 viewers on TNT, up eight percent from the previous week. "

Total viewership was 1,540,000 for Dynamite and Rampage. WWE's worst show did 45,000 more viewers than both AEW shows combined.

And of course " Friday Night is a bad night for wrestling " is the likely response...

" Friday’s episode of WWE SmackDown drew an average of 1.988 million viewers in the overnight ratings "

Or 3.5x the ratings of Rampage.

Talk of war is very quiet at the moment from the AEW fanboys.

It's cute how in the same post you say "AEW A Show" and "Rampage". Are you trying to do a thing where you subtley shit on AEW? Or are you just bad at words?

Everything here is quoted from news sites.

But, the AEW A Show is Dynamite, which was bested by WWE's B Show ( Raw )

Smackdown also did more than Dynamite and Rampage combined.

There's no war. But if there was, WWE would be blitzkrieging AEW into the ground.

Nov 18, 2021 16:43:15 GMT Todd said:

145k buys for AEW, a very good number at a horrible time of year. 4 PPVs a year was one of the best early decisions Khan made. He will probably add more in the future, but it was so important to establish the importance of these events in the formation years. Now they’re doing close to 150k in November, and they’ve established their paying audience.

Smarter, is doing PPV style events on free TV to make the PPVs not seem so far away either.  Always leading toward something but unlike WWE, never feels like the TV stuff is just throw away shit to stale between PPVs.  

Not so sure he will add more PPVs as they have diminishing returns.  4 is ideal.  6, usually one of them at least lacks a high quality main event.  Go to 12, and you get serious wallet fatigue and numbers all around drop.  Events are no longer special enough to justify buying them.

Raw is supposed to be WWE's A show and is sold that way.

Nov 24, 2021 0:41:09 GMT c said:

Raw is supposed to be WWE's A show and is sold that way.

Is it though? Since SD's move to Fox, it has been clearly the focus.

Either way, WWE is killing AEW in the ratings. "War" is over.

Cue the "Oh, but WWE is a 100 year old business.. " response.

The issue with AEW is that the West Coast feed is no longer on prime time, it's aired live around the country so that's affected their ratings.

I'm curious to see how badly the move to TBS affects their ratings as well.

Also what's this talk about the Young Bucks promising that they'd give Christian Cage and Jungle Boy their first five star match at Full Gear? I read that on either a message board or Twitter but haven't heard whether it came from BTE or an Observer. I did listen to Lance's review and even he couldn't wrap his head around that match being better than Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker. The only defence Alvarez could muster is that he watched the show with Dave and you really don't know how much Dave enjoys the product until you watch it with him.

Ratings for AEW were always going to drop when the CM Punk/Adam Cole/Bryan Danielson hype wore off. The big news is the 145k buys for Full Gear. If they’re pulling buys like that for PPVs and seeing jumps in ratings for shows when they promote marquee match ups, they’ll be perfectly fine.

Nov 16, 2021 7:33:31 GMT NATH45 said:

Cody Rhodes deleted his Twitter account at some point in the last 12 hours.

I repeat,

Cody Rhodes deleted his Twitter account at some point in the last 12 hours.

This follows Rhodes' promise to do so last week. Speaking on SiriusXM's Busted Open Radio, the former AEW TNT Champion had claimed he would be leaving Twitter due to "the amount of sniping and negativity on there," moving his entire social media presence over to his Instagram account, which remains active.
- Whatculture

Good. He's awful.

Of note:

While I haven't paid attention to Twitter and what's being said, I can only assume this means the "it's a slow burn, his character is a heel who thinks he's a face" was all BS and he really thought he was being a megaface and is upset by the criticism that his superpatriot special entrance character isn't clicking the way he wanted it to.

CM Punk's debut 1.1 million.

Who stole the egg? 1.7 million.

Nov 24, 2021 2:13:38 GMT NATH45 said:

Nov 24, 2021 0:41:09 GMT c said:

Raw is supposed to be WWE's A show and is sold that way.

Is it though? Since SD's move to Fox, it has been clearly the focus.

Either way, WWE is killing AEW in the ratings. "War" is over.

Cue the "Oh, but WWE is a 100 year old business.. " response.

Flagship show is Raw on calls to investors.  

Nov 25, 2021 3:07:46 GMT NATH45 said:

CM Punk's debut 1.1 million.

Who stole the egg? 1.7 million.

You care more than 99% of AEW fans

Nov 25, 2021 3:54:03 GMT RT said:

Nov 25, 2021 3:07:46 GMT NATH45 said:

CM Punk's debut 1.1 million.

Who stole the egg? 1.7 million.

You care more than 99% of AEW fans

I thought this was a " wrestling war shit talk " thread?

Is it not?

Nov 25, 2021 4:48:35 GMT NATH45 said:

Nov 25, 2021 3:54:03 GMT RT said:

You care more than 99% of AEW fans

I thought this was a " wrestling war shit talk " thread?

Is it not?

Yeah. That’s why I shit talked. Thanks for pointing it out.

Honestly Vince should be embarrassed AEW does as well as it does.

Nov 25, 2021 3:54:03 GMT RT said:

Nov 25, 2021 3:07:46 GMT NATH45 said:

CM Punk's debut 1.1 million.

Who stole the egg? 1.7 million.

You care more than 99% of AEW fans

I’m not so sure. That time they won the demo against SmackDown on FS1, those were some of the most upvoted threads on SC in months. We don’t get that here (thank God) but there’s a substantial part of the audience that does really care.

SC is a weird place. A lot of hot takes there. I long since stopped caring about ratings. I just want wrestling that makes me happy to watch it. I do not care who wins as most of the shit I love does not draw anyway. 6 to 8 man cruiserweight spot fests, UK style catch style matches and ultraviolent bloodbaths are not really what brings out the people. Will take one of these though over most of Meltzer's five star plus matches any day though. Then again, CHIKARA / early 2000's CZW was my favorite shit.

You say you don’t care, but you made a thread two months ago titled ‘There’s a ratings war starting’. People don’t make threads for things they don’t care about. I unashamedly love all the business stuff and always have, but the internet is full of AEW fans that pretend to only care when they win, so I can understand WWE fans wanting to put the boot in.

I am a news junkie, figured people would be interested. Also I am hoping AEW getting fans pressures Vince to step up his game and make must watch TV again. Feel like the ONLY way to get him to take action is for another fed to get close to WWE ratings.

I often have figured the "sale" was Vince's out to retire on his terms. So Peacock was the probationary period for the network to see if WWE is worth the headache. Then AEW came on board and it started getting into Vince's presentation because you can't really call it having a monopoly on wrestling when AEW starts creeping up and actually has something of an excited fanbase. So he fired son in law because he failed to keep AEW in check via NXT. Only reason he was allowed to run it. So Vince took his toys back and here we are... he is secretly SEETHING that AEW has the AUDACITY to not only exist but is gaining ground.

These fans exist AND they're not all giving them money? The fuck. Now the network, while still on board, may be looking to cheap out on what they pay.

Maybe not exactly, but might be closer to reality.

I want to say that AEW hurt WWE's price, but really, it likely did nothing. Value of WWE is not in the live product but the brand and the library. AEW may have a better current product, but WWE is an iconic brand, and Vince has what, 40 years of fucking videos these days and hundreds of thousands of hours in footage. The releases and all that are modern business shit to make a lean product that has low costs and high profits. Would have happened either way.

Nov 25, 2021 15:47:52 GMT c said:

I want to say that AEW hurt WWE's price, but really, it likely did nothing. Value of WWE is not in the live product but the brand and the library. AEW may have a better current product, but WWE is an iconic brand, and Vince has what, 40 years of fucking videos these days and hundreds of thousands of hours in footage. The releases and all that are modern business shit to make a lean product that has low costs and high profits. Would have happened either way.

Could you see a future where live events is curbed back massively as they just rely on their nostalgia? Like do they really need weekly live shows going forward?

<_< They might run out of people if they keep the releases to boot...

Funnily even with a viable alternative in AEW, that is on paper a better product, and isn't an obscure, unloved, joke of a company like TNA was, and being a company that has national attention and built on some of the best talent in the world...

WWE programming is still out drawing AEW weekly. Regardless of 40+ years of back catalogue.

That previous week as discussed, AEW's main programming ( Dynamite & Rampage ) pulled 1.54 million collectively. RAW & Smackdown combined was 3.58 million.

The distance between the two companies is more than AEW's total numbers.

If there's a supposed war, WWE is winning by a big margin. So, when there's talk of AEW putting pressure on Vince to make his product better.. be reminded " where's the egg? " out drew CM Punk's debut. Also, VKM reportedly got himself 6 figures for featuring that stupid egg all night. So, who's really out of touch?

What's more upsetting, and depending on who you ask, when Impact went head to head with RAW in January 2010, the first hour hit 3 million viewers and declined to 2.2 in the second hour. RAW that night allegedly did 5.6 million.