Dec 3, 2021 0:18:25 GMT NATH45 said:

It looks like the Nov. 24 episode of Dynamite did 898,000 approx. viewers.

However, Cody giving himself third degree burns actually did nothing for them. Reportedly finishing with an average overnight audience of 861,000 viewers. Down on the previous week.

Developmental territory, NXT featuring a cast of relatively unknowns did 637,000 for its War Games go-home episode.

RAW nearly doubled AEW Dynamite with 1.68 million.

Aren't you forgetting something nath?

Gonna burn all you suckaz!!!

Dec 3, 2021 1:51:42 GMT Big Pete said:

Dec 3, 2021 0:18:25 GMT NATH45 said:

It looks like the Nov. 24 episode of Dynamite did 898,000 approx. viewers.

However, Cody giving himself third degree burns actually did nothing for them. Reportedly finishing with an average overnight audience of 861,000 viewers. Down on the previous week.

Developmental territory, NXT featuring a cast of relatively unknowns did 637,000 for its War Games go-home episode.

RAW nearly doubled AEW Dynamite with 1.68 million.

Aren't you forgetting something nath?

Thanks,

Friday’s taped AEW Rampage drew an average of 431,000 viewers on TNT, according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

This is down 22.48% from last week’s taped Rampage, which drew 556,000 viewers, and up 6.95% from the Fast National audience released on Saturday morning, which was 403,000 viewers.

Or, losing 58% of their viewership since Rampage's first episode.

Dec 3, 2021 3:35:47 GMT NATH45 said:

Dec 3, 2021 1:51:42 GMT Big Pete said:

Aren't you forgetting something nath?

Thanks,

Friday’s taped AEW Rampage drew an average of 431,000 viewers on TNT, according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

This is down 22.48% from last week’s taped Rampage, which drew 556,000 viewers, and up 6.95% from the Fast National audience released on Saturday morning, which was 403,000 viewers.

Or, losing 58% of their viewership since Rampage's first episode.

See, you're too far gone. You and the rest of that Cult of Cornette mouth-breathers need to give it a rest and realise that AEW is thuh-riving.

Why? Blame Canada!

The amount of spin would make Warney jealous.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! If AEW is not the most watched show in the history of history it is worthless!!!

Cody back update!!! Mostly 1st degree burns with one second degree burn. Think the table had plastic or something on it that burned in as the bad burn was under whatever that black shit was on him.

Dec 3, 2021 1:14:40 GMT c said:

Dec 1, 2021 9:48:03 GMT NATH45 said:

Side note: What is interesting c , (because I like numbers) is the majority of Top 10 highest drawing PPVs, came during the John Cena era.

www.thesportster.com/wrestling/wwe-highest-grossing-ppv-buyrate/amp/

But the point remains, every highly successful era has a central character or two that transcends Monday Nights (for example) and attracts the casual base. And for AEW to be more than a come back tour for ex-WWE talent, they need a real player that takes viewers away from that near 5 million that watch WWE in the US each week.

PPV buy rates were limited by availability.  Cena era was when most cable provided allowed PPV access, so more sales.  Pre-Cena era most of the US could not order a PPV.  Really was the tail end of the attitude era that PPV access became near universal.  

Do not need to take the WWE fans.  Two million fans will beat most WWE shows.  I mean Vince is getting beat by MSNC and Fox News most weeks.  Kyle Rittenhouse drew 5.05 million for Fox.  He outdraws Brock and even the Rock.  NCIS pulls in 5 times what WWE does.  

That's not so much apples to oranges, as apples to elephants. Wrestling ratings will decrease in perpetuity now because wrestling targets children (WWE) and young adults (AEW). These people are increasingly leaving television behind and this hurts wrestling because of how its audience skews. News shows and NCIS are for older people that consume their media via television. But when I see WWE's social media presence, and AEW now getting going as a mainstream entity, I just can't get on board with the idea that wrestling is dead. It's just far, far more than TV these days. I've made the point before - everyone likes to talk about Steve Austin used to quadruple Raw ratings. Ok, wrestling was more popular when Steve Austin was active, that's obvious. But if you wanted to watch Steve Austin 20 years ago you had to watch Raw, or find a way to record it. Now you can watch anything meaningful Roman Reigns does on YouTube, sometimes before the show has even finished! And we all still make these lazy comparisons to old ratings and it just makes no sense.

Unfortunately, because Meltzer is so anti-WWE he has failed to contextualise ratings for years, and so AEW fans will beat themselves up about these ratings when they're fine. They're absolutely fine. Khan needs to stop the bleeding with some storylines but in the big picture, they're ok.

Dec 3, 2021 4:21:34 GMT Big Pete said:

Dec 3, 2021 3:35:47 GMT NATH45 said:

Thanks,

Friday’s taped AEW Rampage drew an average of 431,000 viewers on TNT, according to Nielsen via Showbuzz Daily.

This is down 22.48% from last week’s taped Rampage, which drew 556,000 viewers, and up 6.95% from the Fast National audience released on Saturday morning, which was 403,000 viewers.

Or, losing 58% of their viewership since Rampage's first episode.

See, you're too far gone. You and the rest of that Cult of Cornette mouth-breathers need to give it a rest and realise that AEW is thuh-riving.

Why? Blame Canada!

The amount of spin would make Warney jealous.

How can anybody take him seriously?

It's ok, The WWE pulls 8 million in India every week.

Dec 4, 2021 2:14:20 GMT NATH45 said:

It's ok, The WWE pulls 8 million in India every week.

Doesn't count according to Meltzer - advertisers known the Indian audience is worthless.

No offense to Meltzer but I think he's actually senile. Look I loved the Full Gear match between SuperKliq vs Christian Cage and Jurassic Express, but is it a 5 star match? When did 5 stars get handed out like this. When did anything above a 5 star get handed out. When did Omega become better than Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, Guerrero, Fujinami, Dr. Wagner Jr, Hulk Hogan.

It's clear he's on the payroll

^ Once he broke 5 for Omega/Okada it just became a meme. Any rating after that match really doesn't count.

Everyone has a price and Big Daddy Meltz revealed his.

When the mark becomes the worker.

Dec 5, 2021 9:03:41 GMT jumbomask said:

No offense to Meltzer but I think he's actually senile. Look I loved the Full Gear match between SuperKliq vs Christian Cage and Jurassic Express, but is it a 5-star match? When did 5 stars get handed out like this? When did anything above a 5 star get handed out? When did Omega become better than Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, Guerrero, Fujinami, Dr. Wagner Jr, Hulk Hogan?

It's clear he's on the payroll

Hulk Hogan? odd that he's a part of the group of wrestlers you named.

Dec 5, 2021 20:12:30 GMT @ness said:

When the mark becomes the worker.

I can only imagine the glee that comes over Dave when the two young boys, bucks.. slip into Uncle Dave's DMs with a 'hot scoop' at 3 in the morning.

I don't think Meltzer is on AEW's payroll, he just clearly loves the elite and aew. And yeah, it totally devalues his entire rating system.

So, the December 3 Episode of Rampage finished with 499,000 viewers..

Rampage has lost over half its viewership compared to its highest rated episode on August 20 Episode (1.129 million) That's a sharp, rapidly descending 55.8% decrease in viewership since August.

Yikes...

(NXT's post-Wargames episode drew 590,000 viewers, RAW this week, 1.6 million)

Wrestling is where it always is between Thanksgiving and Christmas, in the toilet. It’ll bounce back in January.

It's been on a decline since almost the beginning. Rampage was doing +600k in September, +500k through October and much of November and really dropped off after the November 12 Episode. (515,000) and has sat sub 500k since.

Smackdown is still doing +2 million, thanksgiving or not. And looks on trend to match it's 2020 average or similar.

Talking " demos "

The most recent Dynamite (December 8 Episode) did a 0.33 rating in the 18-49 demographic. The December 3 Episode of SmackDown did 0.51 rating in the 18-49 demographic.... so that makes Roman Reigns the #demogod

Smackdown Friday Night down 2 million viewers since launch and went from 1.4 to .5 in key demos. Fox is still considering if the show is worth paying for on their network. Not sure what they expect to replace with it though, as while the ratings are not great, they are steady with no off season. They can beat the rating with a crime TV show, but they have off seasons. So will need to rotate multiple shows into that spot. Most shows do not run 20+ seasons so looking at three or four to fill that slot, which has to be higher than what Vince is wanting.

AEW still in the top 20 cable shows. They get beat by live sports and conservative news, or really Fox News in general that seems to have high ratings all night long, but hold up fairly well. No other show on Turner breaks top 50 for Friday nights either.  They also beat out some broadcast channels.

A wins a win.

Dec 11, 2021 21:34:54 GMT c said:

Fox is still considering if the show is worth paying for on their network.

Let us know how the meeting goes!

Oct 18, 2021 20:43:43 GMT NATH45 said:

So in short, TK has proclaimed the following in the last week:

- Rampage will beat Smackdown.
- He's still richer than Vince.
- He knows more about wrestling than Ted Turner.

Didn't The Jacksonville Jaguars lose 20 games in a row? And didn't Fulham F.C. get demoted this year.

I think an early night, and no allowance this week might teach the young Kahn a lesson.

Fulham are going the right way to get promoted back to the top flight, so there's that...


But if Tony doesn't give me my Miro v Mitrovic match, then I guess I don't know...I'll watch AEW illegally....

Dec 12, 2021 12:11:00 GMT Jake said:

Oct 18, 2021 20:43:43 GMT NATH45 said:

So in short, TK has proclaimed the following in the last week:

- Rampage will beat Smackdown.
- He's still richer than Vince.
- He knows more about wrestling than Ted Turner.

Didn't The Jacksonville Jaguars lose 20 games in a row? And didn't Fulham F.C. get demoted this year.

I think an early night, and no allowance this week might teach the young Kahn a lesson.

Fulham are going the right way to get promoted back to the top flight, so there's that...


But if Tony doesn't give me my Miro v Mitrovic match, then I guess I don't know...I'll watch AEW illegally....

" TV ratings don't matter, most of our fans watch it illegally "

According to Spoiler TV, SmackDown drew 2.172 million viewers on Friday, December 10th.

That means WWE's B-Show did 77% more than its rival in Rampage.

GOOD NEWS!


AEW Rampage last week was up on the previous week..


503,000 viewers! Oh.. 


Or 23% of Smackdown's audience. 


Just for those playing at home, NXT 2.0 did 590,000 last week. 


Oh, the demo? It was the second lowest in Rampage history.. 0.18. 

Oh, the demo? It was the second lowest in Rampage history.. 0.18.

I don't know why you wasted your time talking about total viewers, nath. The demo is the only number that matters...that or the Canadian viewership. Everything else is irrelevant.

Hence...

The Bunny > Roman Reigns.

Very likely 2023 Fox either cuts pay for WWE or Smackdown has to find a new home since their deal was made when they had twice the viewers and almost triple what they pull now in the key demo.  Key demo continues to fall for WWE with Smackdown pulling in one of the lowest of the year.   Still talk that Fox may cancel the deal early as do not see WWE being on their network long term.

TNT however very happy with the results AEW is getting and will be easily renewed barring major changes.

Your claim that SmackDown was doubling its 2021 viewership and tripling its 2021 demo in 2018 is just nonsense. The deal was agreed on principle on May 18 2018. The SmackDown ratings for the four weeks around that date were:

2.293m
2.298m
2.195m
2.195m

The SmackDown ratings the last four weeks have been:

2.104m
2.064m
2.149m
2.03m

In order for your bullshit claim to be true, SmackDown would have needed to have been doing 4m in 2018 and it was doing half of that. So let's eliminate that straight away because it's just tosh. SmackDown ratings are incredibly steady, more steady that I can ever remember any wrestling show being. Nothing seems to be able to take it past 2.4m, and it's hardly ever below 2m. It will always be at the lower end at this time of year, as all shows are.

I keep reading a lot of this nonsense that Fox are disappointed with SmackDown. Maybe it's true considering their investment. Do we have any insider info on that? From the TV industry, not Meltzer. I think people are just hypothesising about WWE and think talking about it makes it true. I prefer to deal in facts.

And similarly for Dynamite, nobody knows how happy TNT are. Let's face facts, Warner have moved them off TNT onto TBS to accomodate hockey. We'll see how that goes and shouldn't read too much into it, but I don't know that we can say TNT are delighted with AEW. They were initially and renewed the deal quickly so the expectations would have changed then and the ratings are lower now than they were then and they no longer have competition.

So, please, for once, provide some sources. Let's read about Fox cutting WWE, let's find a source for those numbers you pulled out of your ass, let's link to an reputable article that suggests TNT are doing cartwheels over Dynamite's ratings. Let's see it.

Smackdown's debut on Fox had 3.8 million viewers and a 1.4 demo rating. They paid WWE 1 billion for five years. Since the debut ratings have progressively went down and the key demo keeps creeping lower.

deadline.com/2019/10/wwe-smackdown-fox-premiere-ratings-the-blacklist-blue-bloods-friday-1202752971/

We have AEW, which continues to be such an overperformer; this challenger brand of a wrestling asset has now become one of the biggest shows in cable, which is incredible for us. We obviously started a completely new night and new show on Friday nights with AEW Rampage.

deadline.com/2021/11/miracle-workers-renewed-kill-the-orange-faced-bear-tbs-tacoma-fd-brett-weitz-qa-animal-kingdom-claws-imptactical-jokers-1234866916/


Meanwhile Fox was pissed that Vince did not put NXT on Fox Sports, and even told affiliates they were getting it before Vince changed his mind.  They also see the writing on the wall with the WWE Network getting wrapped into Peacock.  Ratings are also under-preforming what they wanted for 200 mil a year.  Moreso there is a belief that Khan will heavily shop Smackdown around next year and want a pay increase for it, despite the declining ratings, as they revamp Smackdown as the flagship WWE show.  Simply put Fox is not pleased at all with their side of the deal as they feel that WWE did them dirty by going in with Peacock and under-preforming.