May 10, 2022 20:18:02 GMT c said:

Redeemer as MJF's new muscle would be interesting.

I doubt they would make him his new muscle. Miro wouldn’t put up with MJF’s shit and the only reason Wardlow did is because MJF signed his paychecks.

MJF keeps buying monsters for a week and throwing them at Wardlow and who’s a bigger monster in AEW than Miro?

Miro shouldn't be anyone muscle. He should come back to continue his destruction and winning ways.

MJF can guide him to people who need redemption.

Miro +The House Of Black=money.

Maki Itoh has matches in the US end of May. So thinking she is our Joker card for the women.

SRS is reporting that MJF is unhappy with his contract talks and is leaning towards not re-signing with AEW.

Weird report considering he still has 2 years left on his contract and even made a joke about it in his promo last night. Pretty sure this is trying to stir up the fanbase. MJF knows the WWE would gladly pay him millions to steal him away, and is probably trying to squeeze a few extra bucks out of Tony so he can sign a healthy extension.

I would say MJF is best suited to WWE, but they already have Miz. So what does MJF do? In a perfect world, he would be the new Piper in WWE. But I can easily see creative having nothing for him, because they already are giving it to Miz.  Also MJF is not WWE trained, so NXT is likely in his future if he jumps.  Then again, he was trained by Buck so maybe that is enough to get him on the main roster.


Also IIRC Tony said he would not keep people in AEW who wanted to leave, so MJF should be able to leave when he wants.  If not, Tony is being just as scummy as WWE with this.  Which is a bad look for someone claiming to be better than this shit.


This all sounds like bullshit though as everyone knows you sign where the money is, why the fuck would MJF not do the same?  This is how Tony was peeling guys from WWE himself.

It would be the greatest moment of the year if MJF convinced TK to release him ala Brian Pillman.

MJF should probably stay and Tony needs to do everything to make that a good decision for them both. He is special for AEW, but would lose a lot of stuff that makes him who is in WWE. He couldn't cut down people with some of the things he says. He would have to not stay in character for all their charity work. And definitely couldn't do some angles that could be seen as racist like behavior. And no I won't leave it there because I know someone will ask what do I mean.

Replace Cody, Punk or Wardlow with a black wrestler since WWE does have black main eventers. Cody had to and soon Wardlow will have to take 10 lashes. MJF has hung Punk with a chain. He has Wardlow chained up wrestles then relocks him up while treating him like an animal. Sounds a lot about the excon/slavery angle that could have been giving to Harlem Heat back in the day.

PG MJF in WWE? irony tastes delicious.

May 13, 2022 19:41:51 GMT X-zero said:

MJF should probably stay and Tony needs to do everything to make that a good decision for them both. He is special for AEW, but would lose a lot of stuff that makes him who is in WWE. He couldn't cut down people with some of the things he says. He would have to not stay in character for all their charity work. And definitely couldn't do some angles that could be seen as racist like behavior. And no I won't leave it there because I know someone will ask what do I mean.

Replace Cody, Punk or Wardlow with a black wrestler since WWE does have black main eventers. Cody had to and soon Wardlow will have to take 10 lashes. MJF has hung Punk with a chain. He has Wardlow chained up wrestles then relocks him up while treating him like an animal. Sounds a lot about the excon/slavery angle that could have been giving to Harlem Heat back in the day.

The problem is Tony Khan knows this as well and is why he isn't going to just throw money at him which is where MJF will want to show he can do more than just throw the middle finger up and rely on blood or risque right now. MJF is probably betting big on himself that he can adapt to whatever and can maybe make a killing the way Miz has. I still think MJF is out of the wrestling business if he's given a chance to do a comedy flick or something on TV/movies. The fact he got to show his Acapella/musical side in that Jericho/MJF musical tells me that he would be down for something outside of taking a beatng in the ring on the regular if given the choice. 

He wants his money anyway he can get it because he's smart enough to know that everyone has a short lifespan(career wise), and if WWE is the one offering more, he will take it... and as he should. 

Vince wanted MJF before he signed with AEW. Cody told him to come to AEW as he would not be happy in WWE. Now Cody is in WWE happy. This does not bode well for AEW.

And MJF I bet has a long career. He is smart as hell. He takes few big bumps and most of his stories involve him not wrestling. Dude is a genius this way. Can't get hurt when you do not wrestle. IMO MJF transitions into a commentator / trainer when he is done. But I see a long career, moreso if he makes the jump to WWE where it is a much safer style.

MJF may work for comedy, but I doubt he will be happy with it. Few guys are getting good breaks as 95% percent of the movies they do, they are cast are the generic action figure. For every Peacemaker are 5 shit movies no one talks about. Even the Miz struggles to get good roles, and he was Hollywood before WWE.

Edge got to do Haven, Cody got to appear on shows like Arrow, Dolph Ziggler on the part time does standup comedy with his brother. Not completely out of the realm. 

I think if given a chance, MJF would do some Two and a Half Men/How I Met Your Mother type of sitcom stuff and never look back. I think he can find himself on a show on the regular, he's a marketable, live TV experienced Jewish-American from New York, he checks off a lot of the boxes companies would want. Probably will want to have as many connections in the industry as he can get and given WWE may be bought off by Disney or Peacock, that's a green light for MJF to jump in. He just needs to stop with the TV-MA/TV-14 stuff and start to show some versatility in that regard. You can get paychecks for the rest of your life if you land on a long lasting TV sitcom/show.

MJF would jump all over being on a Peacock or ABC/Disney sitcom or show vs wrestling 4-5 days a week. Most sane wrestlers would. 

Think it will come down to how long it is until his first major injury.

Also no one really knows how well he works on a script with a different character. Seen many guys who were great ab libbing that just bombed when giving a character and lines to read.

Another one that I don't think will resign is Kip Sabian. When I first saw him and Sammy advertised against each other I assume Kip would be the one that would do better. He has been injured for year and before that didn't do overly much. And the little gimmick he did have is with Sammy and Tay now.

And not sure his Faust gimmick will be success since it probably requires you to be cared about before you left.

I assume anyone they can release that fans will not realize been released are gonners.

I sense eventually there'll be a little of the WCW/WWF type trading in the next couple of years..

The Ex-WWE guys, will continue to roll into AEW because AEW will pay them well - and good on them. And the younger guys, will eventually float over to WWE/NXT because the opportunity to work for WWE is a massive one.

Think Hogan, Savage, Nash, Hall, Luger going to WCW - today that's Jericho, Mox, Danielson, Punk, Hardy.

Question is, which of AEW's young lions will jump and become this generation's Austin, Hunter, Jericho '99, Benoit, Eddie...

Not so much a trade as a raid. Vince will get who he wants and AEW can decide on the cast offs. Tony has money, but Vince has Wrestlemania.

What will happen with the NXT churn, and AEW bloat is a third fed comes along. I would not be shocked to see someone do an ECW / CZW style fed with a streaming platform and do crash TV wrestling. The shit that you just cannot air on cable TV. Do a fed where it really feels like ANYTHING can happen, with wild matches and nonstop action. WWE is bound by PG, AEW by PG-13, a straight R rated fed focused on fast / intense matches has a place. And really it may not be that hard to even sell a streaming platform on this as the main hang up is simply A/V production and most of these networks used to do that. And really, a professional A/V crew costs as much as it does to run a high quality indy show so there is value. The beauty of crash TV is it is a revolving door where people come and go, so no contracts needed.

May 14, 2022 21:34:56 GMT NATH45 said:

I sense eventually there'll be a little of the WCW/WWF type trading in the next couple of years..

The Ex-WWE guys, will continue to roll into AEW because AEW will pay them well - and good on them. And the younger guys, will eventually float over to WWE/NXT because the opportunity to work for WWE is a massive one.

Think Hogan, Savage, Nash, Hall, Luger going to WCW - today that's Jericho, Mox, Danielson, Punk, Hardy.

Question is, which of AEW's young lions will jump and become this generation's Austin, Hunter, Jericho '99, Benoit, Eddie...

Probably personal bias but if in WWE shoes make a play for everyone in Team Taz. And if offered Jade, Red Velvet, and Shida probably since I think they were Cody people.

And on the AEW side Balor, Ricochet, Strong, and Lee. The only woman I could see is Shotzi.

Honestly, if Vince tells people sign and they will be on Wrestlemania, they will jump. Shida they could have had but likely passed on when they explored the Joshi girls. Jade they def will want. Red Velvet too. Both have the looks they want and they can train them up in NXT easily enough. Jade IIRC is not interested in full time, but Velvet will jump if a real deal is offered.

And frankly, it is good business if people move back and forth as it refreshes them. I mean look at Cody, we were bored to tears by him, now he is killing it.

Strong obviously wants out to go AEW. Ricochet I assume will leave if he can. Balor is a wild card and will depend on if they invest in him or not. But AEW is not getting Balor, his ass is going back to NJPW if he is released and it is where he would be best used as an OG BC member.

meh, unless some of the talents are liked enough not to be booked as jokes due to them having the support of someone in the circle of influence or getting a big contract or fear of upward mobility, I don't have the excitement in possible talent movement as others do. I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong because that would be fun.

c, it's called GCW.

And on Ed point. There's plenty of former WWE guys who aren't exactly doing big things in AEW. Keith Lee is mid card, Buddy.. I think, hasn't even had a singles match. Black and Almas - two of the more credible names are working mid card angles.

Outside of Mox, Punk and Danielson and AEW original, Jericho, there's not a lot of names being used to their full potential. Adam Cole, is only just now getting his spotlight back after over 6 months with the company and he's potentially the most talented guy on the roster. And Miro was a joke for the first 2 / 3 of his run.

They also had Jay White, and.... so.

Obviously you've got to tick a lot of boxes to get ahead in WWE, and with AEW, it's about how big a deal you were in WWE that really gets you over with the brass.

No small fed ever broke through to the mainstream. For a new fed to have value to a big streaming site, they will need to start there. Can't run bingo halls then pitch as a product that will attract thousands. ECW only made it as other shows with TV used them while they were on basically public access. Then the TNN deal exploded within a year.

As for Miro his gimmick sucked which is why he was not over. He got to pick it himself and that first one was total shit. The Redeemer however is his best work. And likely good enough to get Vince to consider rehiring him with some level of creative control.  No way Vince keeps letting AEW get his best work when he was the guy who put years into him to give him the skills he needed to be the Redeemer.  

Also, while it may not happen, there is no reason that the Redeemer cannot appears as Miro in the Redeemer gimmick in WWE.  AEW IIRC is not copyrighting this shit.

My favourite aspect of the Redeemer character is that it followed in the foot-steps of the gamer character. That's one thing I feel Pro Wrestling has really steered away from largely and that's character development. Which is an awful shame because when I think about the Attitude Era the best part of that time was watching characters grow. We gave these guys our time because we knew it would lead somewhere. We saw Rocky Miavia become The Rock, we saw Mankind become Mick Foley, we saw Hunter Hearts Helmsly become Triple H etc.

I like that we saw Miro come in as this soft wrestler - not too indifferent from the one he was playing in the WWE. Then over time take himself more seriously and live up to that push. It felt more deserved and as an audience member it felt like AEW begged us to make him this character instead of him just coming out of the WWE and towelling everyone up.

A lesser company would have signed Miro, had him jump Moxley and Full Gear 2020 would have been Miro vs. Moxley for the title.

Reported today that Tony Khan has no problem with giving MJF a raise, but wants him to extend his contract to do so. MJF does not want to add more years and thinks he should just get a raise. Locker room is against him on this and Tony isn’t budging.

MJF feels like he's overplayed his current deal, his stock grew mightily due to AEW exposure vs when he was an MLW only guy. Wants what they do currently in sports and it's to rip up the current deal and begin it immediately. I think MJF feels he has given more to AEW than what his contract has paid him to do so, I can see it from his point of view. Think of it like holding out in NFL, you've outplayed your rookie contract and now want the money ASAP or else you want to be traded or let go. No franchise tag, no games.

Then again MJF doesn't get to stand on the chance to earn more without AEW's confidence. The fact that WWE has interest in MJF means the ball is in MJF's court sadly for Tony Khan and it's pay up or else he walks to the "competition". Much like with Cody Rhodes.

MJF can be a PG version of himself and whether he's happy or not, if he's getting his money upfront, he is happy.  I am surprised the locker room isn't on MJF's side here but then again most of the roster are veterans from a different time so I get it, they probably feel like you honor the contract no if's and's or but's, that and they don't want to step on Khan's toes. It's a different story for someone who hasn't made a ton in the bank and has honestly, outperformed the contract he signed up for. 

He wants more money without extending the contract? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. 😂 Why the fuck would Tony Khan agree to that?

Totally see MJF's point of view but it's an unprecedented ask in this business. I think it's a good thing though, and should definitely be something that is pushed for going forward. I'm all about wrestlers unionizing and demanding fairer contracts so this is good to see.

MJF isn't the kind of guy to stop delivering if he doesn't get what he wants either. Even if an agreement isn't reached there will still be 2 years of him in AEW. Probably a title run in there too. Hopefully it's enough to entice him to re-sign when the time comes.

May 15, 2022 21:39:08 GMT Todd said:

He wants more money without extending the contract? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. 😂 Why the fuck would Tony Khan agree to that?

He wants to extend long term but wants the new deal to begin immediately, like whenever a football player signs a new deal, that deal becomes immediate. He wants to make more money in his career so when he's a free agent in like 4 or so years, he can play this game again. 

Otherwise there's no incentive for him signing long term without hearing WWE's offer unless he's (somehow) talking to them through Cody Rhodes. 

But like it’s not how contracts work. There is zero incentive for Tony Khan to give a pay rise in this situation. He could (and probably will) walk out when his contract is up anyway, otherwise he would sign an extension. I’m all for the boys getting paid as much as possible but this makes less than no sense.