Feb 10, 2022 16:46:13 GMT Blindy said:

He said in that tweet that the said wrestler is ready to close the previous door down? Is Jay White telling NJPW to fuck off then?

He was referring to Lee, then in a panic realised he insinuated something else so scrambled to get White. White is going to be interesting because NJPW will want him protected, so does he go over AEW guys? I doubt very much they will allow White to lose unless he just trades wins with someone.

Feb 10, 2022 16:48:58 GMT Todd said:

Feb 10, 2022 16:46:13 GMT Blindy said:

He said in that tweet that the said wrestler is ready to close the previous door down? Is Jay White telling NJPW to fuck off then?

He was referring to Lee, then in a panic realised he insinuated something else so scrambled to get White. White is going to be interesting because NJPW will want him protected, so does he go over AEW guys? I doubt very much they will allow White to lose unless he just trades wins with someone.

Lee was never going to be back, WWE wasn't bringing him back. Jeff Hardy who the WWE has reached out to? Yes that would be it. But that would imply Lee coming back to WWE.

Feb 10, 2022 16:56:23 GMT jumbomask said:

Also, in my attempt to apologize for double posting, have a triple post. (no seriously, how do I merge posts, apologies)

I do it all the time no worries, that's how I get my post count so high. :lol:

Imagine the eventual hoss fight between Keith Lee and Powerhouse Hobbs. That would be a lot of fun.

That’s the best episode of Dynamite I’ve seen, even better than the Arthur Ashe episode. Can’t remember the last time I had so much fun watching a televised wrestling show. The opening segment, Keith Lee’s debut, Jay White appearing, Jericho being an obnoxious prick again, the excellent tag team encounter between FTR and Punk/Mox and that absolute killer main event. Awesome. All of it.

Hope Hangman Page is alright, what a performance. The blade job, the selling, the innovative and extraordinary Buckshot Lariat through the table - he’s been a real MVP since becoming champion. 3 title defences have all been absolute bangers. His match against Cole should be 4 for 4!

Feb 10, 2022 16:50:57 GMT Blindy said:

Feb 10, 2022 16:48:58 GMT Todd said:

He was referring to Lee, then in a panic realised he insinuated something else so scrambled to get White. White is going to be interesting because NJPW will want him protected, so does he go over AEW guys? I doubt very much they will allow White to lose unless he just trades wins with someone.

Lee was never going to be back, WWE wasn't bringing him back. Jeff Hardy who the WWE has reached out to? Yes that would be it. But that would imply Lee coming back to WWE.

There were rumours he was going to return back in December but he shot those down and has been quiet since. I don’t think anyone really knows what Tony was talking about in those tweets and from the sounds of it neither did he. At least he owned up to his fuck up and got Jay White to ease the blow.

Like I said Tony needs to stop tweeting at moments like this. “We got a great show Wednesday and the surprise debut is going to be great! Can’t wait for you all to see who is joining AEW next!” Done. Send tweet, put down phone. Why is that so hard for him?

Then again if he didn’t fuck up Jay White might have not happened so what do I know

That was a Dynamite that didn't live up to the hype, even though a lot of that hype was typical AEW fans overhyping stuff.

Opening segment was fun and made sense. Like CM Punk's get-straight-down-to-business promo, not only contrasting MJF's overly long-winded entrance, but contrasting Punk's own promo style as he's simply in a hurry to get back at MJF ASAP.

Moxley was a great surprise partner, but that's the high point of that segment. Punk/Mox vs FTR might sound like a dream match, but when the result is a foregone conclusion, and you know that the two thrown together lone wolf wrestlers are going to go over one of AEW's top tag teams, it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. However it was a good match and they did almost convince me that FTR would win, literally hitting everything on Punk, so fair enough.

Getting back to the start, Wardlow vs The Blade was a fun match. I like the fact that Blade didn't just get steamrolled like a jabroni but smartly attacked Wardlow's leg (which was sold really well) and got some decent offense before being caught in the first powerbomb.

When The Inner Circle aren't being goofballs, they often deliver, and this was no exception. Hard-hiting stuff. Jericho gets rightly called out, everyone knows Santana and Ortiz are right, but his ego is too large to admit it. Everybody delivered, every word spoken made sense, every action made sense. Highlight of the show, easily. Only negative is Jake Hager literally doing nothing. Honestly, what's the point of him?

Keith Lee's here. Hooray. I agree with NATH45, he should be presented as a monster, not a big guy who can do AJ Styles phenomenal dropkick spots, except not as good. To be fair he was an invincible mauler for most of that match, so not a bad debut at all.

Am I the only one who doesn't know who AQA is? It's Danhausen all over again. A fine TBS title match, not great but not bad either.

Serena Deeb's new segment looks like a lot of fun. It probably ends predictably with Shida's return, but I hope they do something interesting before that, not just squashing no-names in 30 seconds. Have a rookie put up a really good showing to put her on the map. That kinda thing.

Texas Death Match was fine. Not my cup of tea. The finish was dumb. If the referee hadn't conveniently bent down in front of Hangman Page, what would he have done? Lost the AEW World Championship, that's what. And why would the referee bend down in that moment? It's a No DQ match, literally no reason to remove weapons from the ring. Hangman wins via plot armour.

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I'm saving the last paragraphs for the "debut", and I use that word very loosely, for my favourite wrestler in the world.

The Last Rock 'N' Roller. King Switch. Jay White.

People are expecting me to gush here, but I'm not going to gush. I popped. It was a cool moment. But knowing he's going to be inextricably tied to The Young Bucks, Adam Cole, Bullet Club, doesn't fill me with optimism. Plus he's been in the USA for a while so it wasn't an enormous shock given that the likes of KENTA and Suzuki have appeared. To be honest, I'm more surprised Jay White didn't show up in AEW already, as in immediately after he made his first surprise appearance in Impact. Strike while the iron is hot, not when it's cooled down significantly.

I'm whining a lot, but I am going to be keeping a closer eye on Dynamite than usual to see what Jay White gets up to. He draws my interest, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Am I the only one who doesn't know who AQA is? It's Danhausen all over again.

No, she doesn't have anywhere near the cult like following of Danhausen. She was just an exciting prospect that the Women of Wrestling community got behind on Twitter and she wrestled a few matches on NXT before being let go. I only knew of her because rovert, one of the big twitter accounts, put over huge after Casey Michael, one of the big Women of Wrestling fans passed away. Specifically it was a Cagematch against Hyan from Booker T's promotion that he put over.

If the referee hadn't conveniently bent down in front of Hangman Page, what would he have done? Lost the AEW World Championship, that's what.

The referee was clearing the ring, when Hangman got the idea to drop the barb wire he had crossed around his arm right in the spot he needed and alerted the official. He was also aware AEW have a policy about cleaning barb wire and referee's must bend over and use their bare hands. It was quick thinking by the champion and if he hadn't have hit it, he would have likely come up with something else.

Feb 11, 2022 5:09:04 GMT Big Pete said:

The referee was clearing the ring, when Hangman got the idea to drop the barb wire he had crossed around his arm right in the spot he needed and alerted the official. He was also aware AEW have a policy about cleaning barb wire and referee's must bend over and use their bare hands. It was quick thinking by the champion and if he hadn't have hit it, he would have likely come up with something else.

I rewatched that spot several times. Unfortunately the camera angle cuts just as Hangman Page is dropping the barbed wire, so it's hard to tell if it was organised as you say. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Resourceful thinking instead of blind luck. Well done, Hangman.

Feb 12, 2022 10:13:11 GMT Emperor said:

Feb 11, 2022 5:09:04 GMT Big Pete said:

The referee was clearing the ring, when Hangman got the idea to drop the barb wire he had crossed around his arm right in the spot he needed and alerted the official. He was also aware AEW have a policy about cleaning barb wire and referee's must bend over and use their bare hands. It was quick thinking by the champion and if he hadn't have hit it, he would have likely come up with something else.

I rewatched that spot several times. Unfortunately the camera angle cuts just as Hangman Page is dropping the barbed wire, so it's hard to tell if it was organised as you say. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Resourceful thinking instead of blind luck. Well done, Hangman.

Would I embellish the truth and make up fake policies?

OK maybe I took some artistic license, but Hangman couldn't have been more deliberate with where he threw that barb wire. You wouldn't place the barb wire where you intend to run, not unless you're a dummy.

owned.

That Buckshot lariat blew my fucking mind!

Feb 13, 2022 16:50:03 GMT Blindy said:

owned.

He's right. Absolutely right.

The May 11th Dynamite on Long Island is when both Owen Hart Tournaments will begin.

While they shouldn't have sold it as a Texas Death Match, I'm glad they didn't do the typical Death Match because of the amount of down-time. Mind you it still wasn't wise to book this match on TV one because it isn't a good look for Turner but also they had to rush so it was high spot high spot high spot which for a match billed on intensity isn't ideal.

But whatever, the whole point was Hangman beating Archer. They did the Deathmatch because Archer thrives in that environment and it was all to build to Cole-Page which hopefully can pick up steam.

I listened to another Cornette clip (I know, I know hear me out) where he made the point that if you hadn't followed NJPW you'd have no idea who Jay White is and why you should care. Ultimately I have to agree with Corny here because the whole point of the debut was for TK to fulfill his promise that he made on the internet which was dumb. I think if TK didn't paint himself into a corner, you could have actually justified the loss to Orange Cassidy as it being clear to Cole that he needs better support.

Adam Cole vs. Penta El Zero Miedo in a Number One contenders match and it looks like Penta is going to win when Jay White jumps the ring, hits a Switchblade and allows Cole to win. Schiavone can be the plot surrogate and ask who in the hell which keys Excalibur up. That's Jay White of NJPW, the current leader of the Bullet Club, the faction that the Elite themselves spawned from and business has just picked up.

Then on Rampage (seriously, you want Penta/Cole to be on the A show) you have a segment where White can go into further detail.

You can easily clean up the Penta stuff as well, but at least you've given fans some context and White is a huge guy to have in Cole's corner. Except it crashes down on Cole, White turns on him after Cole loses to Page and White can go off to NJPW and they can have their match over there or in AEW whatever NJPW feels comfortable with (presuming White is still contracted). However, White doesn't wrestle and he's booked like a huge deal through out until Cole fails to get the job done at Revolution.

White could almost be a great anti-hero in AEW.

Adam Cole is 100% a heel, he's a natural cockhead. While White is almost too cool for The Young Bucks and Omega. So, in saying that.. White turns on The Elite ( as they technically left Bullet Club ) and feuds with Adam Cole.

Page.. who cares? Drop the belt to Cole and send him back to Dark.

I hate when Jim Cornette makes a good point. He's completely right though. I was complaining about the time constraints during the show and I knew the announced rules didn't sound right but didn't care enough to look it up.

They allotted 40 minutes to talking and promos that could have been cut way down or done on another show/fucking YouTube for all I care, and didn't leave nearly enough time for their main event. And this isn't the first time it's happened. Very annoying.

Feb 15, 2022 0:26:10 GMT NATH45 said:

White could almost be a great anti-hero in AEW.

Adam Cole is 100% a heel, he's a natural cockhead. While White is almost too cool for The Young Bucks and Omega. So, in saying that.. White turns on The Elite ( as they technically left Bullet Club ) and feuds with Adam Cole.

Page.. who cares? Drop the belt to Cole and send him back to Dark.

It really depends on how long they have White for and what the arrangement is with NJPW. If they're comfortable with having White lose to the AEW Champion then you can go in that direction (or have White lose to Page).

Y'know I keep going back to it, but it's interesting that Cody mentioned the optics of the Super-Kliq storyline. I get the feeling that Cody was just stirring the pot but I don't think he's alone in thinking that Cole, O'Reilly and Fish represent NXT. I don't think it'd be a good look to have Cole beat Page, especially after they made an emphatic statement by having Danielson put him over.

It's still early days, but Page is going to need a few big weeks here. I don't think the Archer match was a 'miss' by any means, but he needs to add something more to his presentation. Him being an authentic cowboy doesn't seem to be cutting the mustard.

Feb 15, 2022 1:48:48 GMT Big Pete said:

Feb 15, 2022 0:26:10 GMT NATH45 said:

White could almost be a great anti-hero in AEW.

Adam Cole is 100% a heel, he's a natural cockhead. While White is almost too cool for The Young Bucks and Omega. So, in saying that.. White turns on The Elite ( as they technically left Bullet Club ) and feuds with Adam Cole.

Page.. who cares? Drop the belt to Cole and send him back to Dark.

It really depends on how long they have White for and what the arrangement is with NJPW. If they're comfortable with having White lose to the AEW Champion then you can go in that direction (or have White lose to Page).

Y'know I keep going back to it, but it's interesting that Cody mentioned the optics of the Super-Kliq storyline. I get the feeling that Cody was just stirring the pot but I don't think he's alone in thinking that Cole, O'Reilly and Fish represent NXT. I don't think it'd be a good look to have Cole beat Page, especially after they made an emphatic statement by having Danielson put him over.

It's still early days, but Page is going to need a few big weeks here. I don't think the Archer match was a 'miss' by any means, but he needs to add something more to his presentation. Him being an authentic cowboy doesn't seem to be cutting the mustard.

If Cole beats Page after he handed Bryan Danielson his first loss in that amazing match, I'll seriously start questioning what the fuck Tony Khan and co. are thinking.

I'm already sour about a few decisions they've made (Kingston should have been the first to beat Punk and I'll die on that hill..at the very least have him kick his ass so bad he wins by ref stoppage/no contest) and Cole winning would be pretty fucked up after all they've built with Hangman.

However I could see it happening with Cole stealing a win (Elite/Bullet Club involvement, Dark Order can't fight them off, whatever) and when Cole finally rises to the top and has the title in his hands, Kenny Omega returns. There's your storyline for the rest of 2022.

Anyway, re: Jay White...Tanahashi was quoted today saying (I'm paraphrasing) that COVID is still fucking things up, but when things finally allow for more travel and what not, he wants to see another super show. The term "all star" was used. Jay White jumping back and forth between AEW and Impact will be interesting, especially because he's immediately tied himself to The Elite. This could lead to GOD, Good Brothers, Chris Bey, El-P, etc all being brought into the fold.

When Tanahashi says he wants something it usually happens. I have to think that AEW followed NJPW's lead and created all these stables for a reason. NJPW did a massive show with NOAH ffs. An NJPW/Impact/AEW super show should not be out of the realm of possibility.

Or just give me KENTA vs CM Punk already god damn it. Let Danielson join the G1. Jesus. DO SOMETHING.

Having Kingston go over Punk would have been ballsy. I can't really blame TK for not pulling the trigger there, especially since he was going to crown Page as champion so whatever momentum Kingston would get would be halted right out of the gate. I think he prospered just by getting the match and since the direction was to pair him back up with LAX, it was for the best to protect their bigger investment. I mean just on a fundamental level, compare the commodity in terms of pay packet and it's night and day.

Kingston reminds me of a Mick Foley where they have a feel good moment there when they want to pull the trigger, but you have to find a HHH or Rock for him to go against - not your Hitman in Page. If you want to give him that moment, ideally it wouldn't be in a situation that splits the crowd.

Just saw White advertised for an upcoming NJPW show, so he's still obviously with the company. Hopefully Japan eases up on the isolations so AEW can send some talent over. Not only would it help the G-1 out, but all the other tournaments could help give these guys some invaluable experience.

Page's challengers make no sense unless you look at stuff they did in other companies. Because why is Cole who has only beat various people in to two near jobber level factions and dark enhancement talent deserve a title shot. While the person who has beat the champion in the past, the other three pillars, Jericho, Cody, and CM Punk gets passed over again.

Feb 15, 2022 6:48:39 GMT X-zero said:

Page's challengers make no sense unless you look at stuff they did in other companies. Because why is Cole who has only beat various people in to two near jobber level factions and dark enhancement talent deserve a title shot. While the person who has beat the champion in the past, the other three pillars, Jericho, Cody, and CM Punk gets passed over again.

In AEW it's all about quantity and not quality.

Nobody has worked more televised matches than Cole and the loss to OC 'doesn't count'.

Meanwhile MJF hardly wrestles and the loss to Shawn Dean tanked his ranking.

The Ranking System doesn't work, its a convoluted way for AEW to make themselves look smarter than they are, that stifles organic growth within the company.

Imagine catching fire and TK is like " sorry kid, you're 10-45-2.. maybe next year. "

I don't necessarily mind how fluid the ranking system can be.

Ranking systems are always awful in practice. It is hard to write great stories when you have the rigidity of the ranking system in place. Also generally ranking systems do not even make sense when you break them down. If you do by win rate - then new guys should get title shots after their first match if they win. If you go by most wins, then vets should always have them. So you end up with funky systems that do jack all in the long run and are not objective whatsoever anyway. So like why have them?

It should go by who draws the most money ie; the top babyface. Or greatly influences who draws the most money ie; the top Heel.

Instead a cowboy with the personality of a catfish just defended the belt against, Rock from the Rock & Rave Infection. 🤷🏼‍♂️

The ranking system is flimsy but that's 1 of the traits of AEW as a promotion. For better, worse or, indifferent.

I wasn’t a fan of the ranking system at first but over time I’ve grown to like it. They don’t rely too heavily on it and they’ll let things take a backseat for other feuds if it makes more sense.

Adam Cole is a good recent example. He quickly shot to #1 on the list, but was tied up in a feud with Best Friends. They give Adam Page a quick feud to keep him busy while Cole wraps up his thing, then when that feud is put to bed he walks out at the perfect moment to remind Page that he’s next in line.