She acts like Benoit was ordinary in the ring? Yes he did something vile and awful but cmon lets separate the work from the person for a second. We were speaking about someone obsessed with the likes and retweets, here we go that's Grace in a nutshell. She probably thinks half of the Impact roster outshines Benoit in the ring, and that her husband is vastly superior. 

Why does Grace care to compare himself to that guy? odd.

Yeah but is Gresham better then a in his prime Chris Benoit? Or is Jordynn Grace talking out of her ass?

Jul 9, 2022 13:34:25 GMT Lony said:

Yeah but is Gresham better then a in his prime Chris Benoit? Or is Jordynn Grace talking out of her ass?

Talking out of her ass backed up by Dave's star system. But she most likely believes what she said every generation always thinks they are better then the past. And she said she couldn't really watch his stuff now and be unbiased which is fair.

Jul 9, 2022 14:05:42 GMT X-zero said:

Jul 9, 2022 13:34:25 GMT Lony said:

Yeah but is Gresham better then a in his prime Chris Benoit? Or is Jordynn Grace talking out of her ass?

Talking out of her ass backed up by Dave's star system. But she most likely believes what she said every generation always thinks they are better then the past. And she said she couldn't really watch his stuff now and be unbiased which is fair.

I get not being able to watch his stuff as that's fair play, I just think given his style, it's ridiculous to say he wouldn't be able to hang with a lot of the top stars in today's wrestling. I guess to each their own and the AEW forum isn't the place to discuss the comments of an Impact Wrestling talent, so I'll leave it at that.

Jul 9, 2022 13:34:25 GMT Lony said:

Yeah but is Gresham better then a in his prime Chris Benoit? Or is Jordynn Grace talking out of her ass?

I mentioned that in the Impact knockout thread, I think it's understandable to hate having to watch Benoit matches after what he did but to outright start saying that he could not handle a lot of the current day wrestler is hilarious. The lack of respect for older generations in any sport is pitiful. 

I doubt most modern workers could keep up with a Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero in their prime. These guys were moving twice as fast and the sheer physicality was off the charts in some matches versus today's workers. Even Steve Austin working through his routine would gas some of these boys.

I've said it for a long time, today's workers may be better athletes.. but for whatever reason, they seem to be moving at a snail's pace most of the time.

Jul 9, 2022 14:14:52 GMT Blindy said:

Jul 9, 2022 13:34:25 GMT Lony said:

Yeah but is Gresham better then a in his prime Chris Benoit? Or is Jordynn Grace talking out of her ass?

I mentioned that in the Impact knockout thread, I think it's understandable to hate having to watch Benoit matches after what he did but to outright start saying that he could not handle a lot of the current day wrestler is hilarious. The lack of respect for older generations in any sport is pitiful. 

Thing with Benoit was he was not exactly a safe wrestler.  I mean, he got his nickname for a reason, he did hurt people.  For me that is a huge strike against him.  Also his style would not hold up today outside of WWE.  He matches devolved into basically just german suplexes.  His driver also would remained banned outside of WWE as no one really takes that spot anymore.  Which brings me to strike two against him, he was not an original wrestler.  His moveset was taken move for move from Dynamite Kid.  He just swapped the Carvate for the Crossface.  

IMO all things asides Benoit was a good wrestler who did a lot to keep DK's legacy alive, but not a great wrestler.  He was a massive influence though on smaller guys and a great bridges into DK and European wrestling as people get more into wrestling.  Do he is not someone you can easily dismiss.  But he would not work in today's indy stuff, as hurting guys from reckless wrestling is not cool anymore.  

As for Gresham, he is perhaps the best catch wrestler outside of Europe.  I would even put him ahead of ZSJ.  Unlike ZSJ, that is all Gresham does though.  He is amazing at one particular style.  And that style in a fed that highlights it like RoH or Terminus he can be a superstar.   He used to work a different style doing a lot more flying, and showed he can be more versatile, but for the past few years he really went all in on this catch style.  His size def hurts him when working a more general style.  He is most often compared to ZSJ, but ZSJ has 8 inches on him.  

Compared to Benoit, Gresham is the better catch wrestler.  Compare them in terms of technical wrestling and Gresham is a God.  Overall though Benoit held a world title and fans backed him as a dominate champion.  Gresham I cannot see as a dominate WWE guy.  I can see him winning a world title once with a flash pin sequence which he uses as his finisher a lot these days, but not doing a run.  

Also I would not really use someone's girlfriend / wife as an objective source.  

Jul 10, 2022 17:09:23 GMT c said:

Jul 9, 2022 14:12:05 GMT Lony said:

I get not being able to watch his stuff as that's fair play, I just think given his style, it's ridiculous to say he wouldn't be able to hang with a lot of the top stars in today's wrestling. I guess to each their own and the AEW forum isn't the place to discuss the comments of an Impact Wrestling talent, so I'll leave it at that.

I seen Lawler still hang with the modern generation.  Benoit absolutely could.  The question is would modern stars wrestle him?  Benoit was extremely stiff and dangerous.  Wrestling really moved on from that style with Regal's influence.  

Extremely stiff and dangerous could be the name of an AEW ppv or match. All those people who get praised for working stiff style but he would be the one they say no too. And dangerous there have been multiple time in AEW where something could have easily paralysis a person and that doesn't seem to stop them.

What does she even mean when she says ‘couldn’t hang with them’. I don’t understand this expression. Wrestling is cooperative, it isn’t about showing up anyone. Is she referring to cardio? Moves? I don’t know Gresham but Benoit was a great worker, everything he did looked tight. He was one of the best sellers I’ve seen, right up there with Lesnar. He was convincing and had many great matches. He got over in the WWE with no talking ability and no manager, that tells you how good he was.

Jul 10, 2022 17:42:46 GMT Todd said:

What does she even mean when she says ‘couldn’t hang with them’. I don’t understand this expression. Wrestling is cooperative, it isn’t about showing up anyone. Is she referring to cardio? Moves? I don’t know Gresham but Benoit was a great worker, everything he did looked tight. He was one of the best sellers I’ve seen, right up there with Lesnar. He was convincing and had many great matches. He got over in the WWE with no talking ability and no manager, that tells you how good he was.

There is no way Benoit could have hung with someone like Chris Jericho, or teamed with someone like Punk...

I assume she means if he was still alive, which is true, a 55 year old Benoit with severe brain damage likely could not hang and would be exposed, but Chris should not have been in the ring even at the end.  But got to be smoking the good shit if you think he could not hang with the former WWE crew like Daniels, Claudio, Mox, etc if this was even WWE champion era Benoit.

Jul 10, 2022 17:29:49 GMT X-zero said:

Jul 10, 2022 17:09:23 GMT c said:

I seen Lawler still hang with the modern generation.  Benoit absolutely could.  The question is would modern stars wrestle him?  Benoit was extremely stiff and dangerous.  Wrestling really moved on from that style with Regal's influence.  

Extremely stiff and dangerous could be the name of an AEW ppv or match. All those people who get praised for working stiff style but he would be the one they say no too. And dangerous there have been multiple time in AEW where something could have easily paralysis a person and that doesn't seem to stop them.

Benoit was from the pre-Regal influence era.  The Regal style that most people use now is hitting hard in safe places.  Before Regal it was just hitting hard.  So got things like Hanson popping out Vader's eye or Razor brutalizing Jeff Hardy is just not cool anymore.

Benoit was very, very careless though.  He was known to chop people in the throat on accident, broke Sabu's neck and nearly crippled Angle with a suplex botch.  He would throw moves as hard as he could with no real regard for the other guy.  Same with chops.  He would throw them as hard as he could, and if they went off course, they went off course.  This shit used to be just what working stiff was like, but now that most people have training from Regal via NXT, or been exposed to his philosophy of working with stiff needs to be done with safety, it is just not cool to work stiff at the expense of others.  Some till do it from time to time, and accidents happen, but as a whole, that side of wrestling is going away.   

Grace burning a whole lot bridges with that tweet. Konnan ripped her apart on a podcast. A lot of vets who worked with Benoit are also ripping into her. Really hope this does not hit Gresham but do not see how he avoids getting stained from all this.

You simply can't deny his work.

His actions. Yes, obviously, absolutely disgusting.

His work though, was world class.

It's a weird hill to die on for Grace. Why engage in a controversial topic at all? Especially when she was all of 11 years old when the incident happened - there's probably not a high likelihood she watched Benoit in his prime on a week to week basis or, by obviously not being a fan, would have actually spent a lot of time watching his matches in retrospect.

Exactly, it just seems odd to bring up Benoit out of the blue. Hardly anybody praises his work, so unless there was some twitter discourse I wasn't privy to, it just seems like an odd way to prop up her generation.

Her comments did remind me of Paul London's appearance on the Renee Dupree podcast (actually a pretty worthwhile podcast believe it or not). Paul was talking about the modern generation and how everything is so rehearsed and wrestlers tend to struggle to call anything on the fly because their fundamentals are god awful. He considered calling a match a lost art and it's one of the biggest reasons why he can't engage with the modern product.

Whether it was because he was bitter that AEW turned down his offer to help produce matches remains to be seen.

However, Benoit and Eddie were obviously great at calling their stuff and putting their matches together in a compelling way. While I think certain guys would hold up fine, I don't think they'd be as strong at it as Eddie. I've watched Gresham and I believe he deserved his run with the ROH Championship but there's times where he loses the crowd and really needs to focus his material. Benoit and Eddie would have been fine in this era, in fact they would have prospered, Gresham would have been stuck in ECW or more-likely All Pro Wrestling and getting carnied by Roland Alexander.

Well, it seems someone has talked some sense into her to save her from free-falling into Ryback territory.

She's apologised to David Benoit, Chavo and Y2J and pledged $5000 to the Concussion Legacy Institute. And of course apologised to anyone she hurt.

This Jordynn Grace thing is so bizarre. It seems like Jericho or Chavo contacted her and told her to make a statement. Then the donation to the concussion fund… I mean, it’s nice of her, but completely unnecessary. We don’t need money donated in honour of Chris Benoit. All this because she had the gall to say he was overrated. Absolutely bizarre.

Jul 12, 2022 10:25:13 GMT Todd said:

This Jordynn Grace thing is so bizarre. It seems like Jericho or Chavo contacted her and told her to make a statement. Then the donation to the concussion fund… I mean, it’s nice of her, but completely unnecessary. We don’t need money donated in honour of Chris Benoit. All this because she had the gall to say he was overrated. Absolutely bizarre.

She also spoke with David Benoit as well.

And I think it was more along the lines of dismissing and devaluing people who have suffered or suffer from CTE as where some got angry at her comments. Wasn't about Benoit but more so that she seemed unsympathetic of people who suffer/suffered from this disease. 

Her needing to announce that she made a charity donation and the amount of it is pretty typical of someone who cares about public perception on social media but it's a good gesture either way and she probably does not make a whole lot as an Impact star so it means something at least.

All I read is that she said he couldn’t hang with today’s wrestlers. What the hell does she need to apologise to anyone about that for?

Jul 12, 2022 10:53:20 GMT Todd said:

All I read is that she said he couldn’t hang with today’s wrestlers. What the hell does she need to apologise to anyone about that for?

It's the "Fuck him, burn in hell" that probably resonated with people. Yes he committed something vile but for some people, he didn't have control of his actions due to poor mental health due to the CTE. 

I think she also was doubling down on this when people commented this to her by saying to stop using that as an excuse for what he did. Or something along those lines. 

This is like a story that when people talk about in 5 years you would assume was fake because of all of the overreacting and host fast shit swung.

There are a lot of people who assumed that people would freely talk about Benoit's work by now and celebrate it again that got mixed into this.  I think a lot of people assumed time would redeem Benoit, and this got so heated so fast when it was clear that no, time will not forgive Benoit.  

Jul 12, 2022 17:16:23 GMT c said:

This is like a story that when people talk about in 5 years you would assume was fake because of all of the overreacting and host fast shit swung.

There are a lot of people who assumed that people would freely talk about Benoit's work by now and celebrate it again that got mixed into this.  I think a lot of people assumed time would redeem Benoit, and this got so heated so fast when it was clear that no, time will not forgive Benoit.  

It's because of Benoit that concussions are taken seriously now in the industry. A lot of people smartened up due to this, it just sucks it took something like this to put the industry on notice and to cutdown on the diving headbutts and chair shots to the head.

and Nancy Benoit's sister quote tweeted this and was upset she wasn't spoken with by anyone...Grace just keeps on digging deeper and deeper.

Is Kevin Sullivan still alive, lets make sure she calls him too, so no one is left out.

This entire thing is incredibly weird. She was absolutely incorrect about his workrate, but how she addressed the entire thing was insensitive. She's apologised, donated some cash and probably got a good talkin' to from Jericho - that was probably more a teachable moment, than a burial. And more so how to conduct herself on social media and protect her own brand. She's an up-and-comer who's just gone viral for referencing Chris Benoit instead of her own merits. And that's not great PR.

She doesn't need to keep apologising.

Jul 13, 2022 4:11:05 GMT NATH45 said:

Is Kevin Sullivan still alive, lets make sure she calls him too, so no one is left out.

This entire thing is incredibly weird. She was absolutely incorrect about his workrate, but how she addressed the entire thing was insensitive. She's apologised, donated some cash and probably got a good talkin' to from Jericho - that was probably more a teachable moment, than a burial. And more so how to conduct herself on social media and protect her own brand. She's an up-and-comer who's just gone viral for referencing Chris Benoit instead of her own merits. And that's not great PR.

She doesn't need to keep apologising.

I think Nancy Benoit's sister is more mad at Chavo & Jericho given they have gotten in touch in the past. Hopefully Grace has learned a little bit in regards to throwing out "out of lane" hot takes on twitter for likes and retweets. With her though, I will never know. 

Jul 13, 2022 11:00:01 GMT Blindy said:

Jul 13, 2022 4:11:05 GMT NATH45 said:

Is Kevin Sullivan still alive, lets make sure she calls him too, so no one is left out.

This entire thing is incredibly weird. She was absolutely incorrect about his workrate, but how she addressed the entire thing was insensitive. She's apologised, donated some cash and probably got a good talkin' to from Jericho - that was probably more a teachable moment, than a burial. And more so how to conduct herself on social media and protect her own brand. She's an up-and-comer who's just gone viral for referencing Chris Benoit instead of her own merits. And that's not great PR.

She doesn't need to keep apologising.

I think Nancy Benoit's sister is more mad at Chavo & Jericho given they have gotten in touch in the past. Hopefully Grace has learned a little bit in regards to throwing out "out of lane" hot takes on twitter for likes and retweets. With her though, I will never know. 

Hopefully when wrestlers know beforehand this is a controversial topic instead of posting it just keep it to yourself.

The old saying is true: there's no such thing as bad publicity. Who would be talking about this otherwise?  They 100% knew what they were doing when they named dropped Benoit.  

What were the comments?

Cuz honestly reading replies about hanging and I'm trying to figure out why she's being railroaded if I'm being honest. Not gonna search for it but can someone post it?

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