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Post by surrender on Jan 12, 2018 21:21:06 GMT
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Post by CM Punk'd on Jan 12, 2018 21:38:57 GMT
Such a sad shame. To come back at this time, and at a time where she was going to be part of history, and then for THIS to happen?
Just a cruel twist of fate. I wonder if Paige will take any other type of position in WWE? Maybe as a manager, or a trainer at the Performance Center, or maybe even as a on-air head of the women's division?
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Post by Mistress on Jan 12, 2018 21:53:12 GMT
That's terrible for her
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 21:57:10 GMT
That really sucks. If she is truly on the cusp of being paralyzed or whatever (didn't wanna read the report) I hope she isn't stubborn like Daniel Bryan. Then again if we believe CM Punk their doctors are pretty incompetent...
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Post by kashdinero on Jan 13, 2018 2:52:49 GMT
Such a shame. She had overcome a lot to get back onto WWE TV. Another terrible victim of the fearless and reckless style so popular with younger wrestlers. Some of the bumps I saw that girl take on the outside of the ring were upsetting that should have earned her a strong telling off by backstage management. Here's hoping she can transition smoothly into a full time non-wrestling role at the very least.
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Post by NATH45 on Jan 13, 2018 6:56:40 GMT
As terrible as it, I don't see Paige sticking around as producer/trainer or in any real capacity. Come back on not, she's too young and too immature to really be a strong enough asset.
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Post by Emperor on Jan 13, 2018 9:09:38 GMT
It's awful that this happened, but from what I gather, Paige's neck was in such bad shape that it was only a matter of time.
Storm and Cyrus recently discussed the offending house show spot on their podcast. This aired before it was announced that Paige's career is over. Thought some people might be interested.
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Post by Lony on Jan 13, 2018 14:27:51 GMT
Terrible news, despite her issues over the last year and a half, I was happy to see Paige return, a shame her in-ring career is done. I'll assume the WWE will be keeping her on TV, in a manager type of role, for Mandy Rose and Sonya DeVille... at least for now anyways.
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Post by Ed on Jan 13, 2018 20:59:51 GMT
Paige has been through so many ups & downs. For her to have things end like this breaks my heart.
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Post by Dukezilla on Jan 13, 2018 21:15:32 GMT
This whole thing seems done out of spite and more like WWE getting back at Paige for getting neck surgery when WWE advised her not to and all the other shit that's happened rather than simply telling her they won't clear her. It also says a lot about WWE medical and calls for a thorough investigation on them. They've fucked up the careers of Daniel Bryan, Rob Van Dam, and now Paige. They misdiagnosed CM Punk's staph infection and now they're in a lawsuit over it. And they let Nikki Bella come back with no later issues or anything.
Something seriously needs to be done here about prematurely ending people's careers and misdiagnosing shit.
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Post by CM Punk'd on Jan 13, 2018 21:19:36 GMT
What a bunch of asshole the WWE brass are. Getting back at somebody, for having surgery that would improve that person's quality of life?
WWE needs to be investigated for all of this shit.
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Post by NATH45 on Jan 13, 2018 21:46:08 GMT
There's no conspiracy.
She's done. She's hurt. It's over.
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Post by KJ on Jan 14, 2018 0:53:59 GMT
Sasha is reckless in the ring. I hate watching her work. Glad VKM yanked the cord on her.
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Post by Krimzon on Jan 14, 2018 2:22:14 GMT
Sasha is reckless in the ring. I hate watching her work. Glad VKM yanked the cord on her. Sasha is not at fault here. Paige, by her own accord, shouldn't have been in the ring anyway, as she was advised not to return, meaning this was an inevitability. She was a ticking time bomb. It's actually fortunate that it was simply a kick resulting in a stinger. Could have been far worse had it been something more high impact.
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Post by Kaye88 on Jan 14, 2018 9:40:08 GMT
Sasha is definitely not to be blamed for this incident. It was a total accident and given Paige's previous neck issues, it could have happened at just about any spot. But I definitely won't be shocked if fans (and even Sasha herself) blames her for this incident. Ugh at people blaming her for this, though.
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Post by KJ on Jan 14, 2018 13:49:53 GMT
I’m sorry, but that kick Sasha did could’ve seriously hurt anyone. She’s a great example of the modern wrestler: athletic but completely forgot the “work” element. Unnecessarily stiff, and again, kicking anyone like that is extremely dangerous.
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Post by Krimzon on Jan 14, 2018 18:28:30 GMT
I’m sorry, but that kick Sasha did could’ve seriously hurt anyone. She’s a great example of the modern wrestler: athletic but completely forgot the “work” element. Unnecessarily stiff, and again, kicking anyone like that is extremely dangerous. As oppose to back in the day with guys like Vader, Hansen, Abdullah, Brody, Funk, Foley, Shamrock, Faces of Fear, Aja Kong, and a ton of others? The business has always been stiff, dangerous, and people have always gotten hurt. After enough wear and tear, literally anything can finish you off. Sasha has had hundreds of matches where things went just fine. Nobody seems to remember those. Only the select few that went wrong get brought up.
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Post by KJ on Jan 14, 2018 23:45:58 GMT
You’re right: Sasha belongs alongside a list of some of the biggest, baddest men to ever wrestle. Or something like that.
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Post by @admin on Jan 15, 2018 0:22:11 GMT
This is one of the poorer arguments I've seen on PW in a while.
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Post by KJ on Jan 15, 2018 0:27:01 GMT
My argument is the kick Sasha gave Paige was reckless and unnecessary, which has been a defining part of her style for years.
References to anyone else in other generations have no bearing on Sasha as a performer.
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Post by Emperor on Jan 15, 2018 0:44:43 GMT
I don't think Sasha is to blame, nor do I think she's an especially stiff worker (relative to her era). The problem is, as was raised in the Killing The Town excerpt I posted, is that the in-ring style has changed, and everyone does a million high spots every single match, even on house shows. Doing that for years and years, it's no surprise we're seeing as many injuries as we're seeing. If anything, it's surprising there aren't more. That kick by Sasha seems like a fairly innocuous move, and it would be if Paige were facing her and could see it coming, but she didn't. Sasha may not have kicked her very hard, but Paige couldn't tell it was coming, and may have bumped incorrectly because of it. Or maybe she bumped correctly and that bump was the straw that broke the camel's back.
That said, I think there's a difference between all the crazy head drop moves and flying we see in modern wrestling, and the "stiffness" of the wrestlers Krimzon named. Those guys worked stiff and violent, but they almost never caused serious injuries. Foley and his opponents may come out of a deathmatch looking like they'd been in a car wreck, but it's all surface injuries that look grotesque but don't have any lasting impact. Cuts heal. Bruises heal. The only serious injury I can think of from those guys is Hansen punching Vader's eye out. I mean, I know Foley's a wreck, but that's primarily from all the exceptionally crazy bumps he took, nothing to do with his opponents beating him up.
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Post by Big Pete on Jan 15, 2018 1:26:15 GMT
There's a difference between being a safe worker and being a reckless one. In Sasha's case, she has (or at least had) a problem with executing moves, often over-extending herself and seemingly escaping serious injury time and time again. Foley would take dangerous bumps, but for the most part he thought it out. Considering the type of matches he worked, it's amazing the only serious incident was setting Terry Funk on fire in ECW.
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Post by Krimzon on Jan 15, 2018 1:36:32 GMT
My argument is the kick Sasha gave Paige was reckless and unnecessary, which has been a defining part of her style for years. References to anyone else in other generations have no bearing on Sasha as a performer. You're the one that brought up eras, saying Sasha was an example of modern times. I was simply stating that people have been working stiff for decades. For all the talk about Sasha being reckless, the list of people she's injured is remarkably short. That spot is not new. It's been done hundreds of times with no issue. Going after somebody for the one time it ends badly is absurd. It wasn't even that stiff. Not sure what Sasha could have done differently to avoid what happened.
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Post by @admin on Jan 15, 2018 1:42:28 GMT
My argument is the kick Sasha gave Paige was reckless and unnecessary, which has been a defining part of her style for years. References to anyone else in other generations have no bearing on Sasha as a performer. You're the one that brought up eras, saying Sasha was an example of modern times. I was simply stating that people have been working stiff for decades. For all the talk about Sasha being reckless, the list of people she's injured is remarkably short. That spot is not new. It's been done hundreds of times with no issue. Going after somebody for the one time it ends badly is absurd. It reminds me of how people used to complain about Alicia's scissors kick because it "looked dangerous" and "she could hurt someone one day". Newsflash: wrestling is dangerous.
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Post by Big Pete on Jan 15, 2018 1:42:45 GMT
There have always been stiff workers, but the difference back in the 80s was that they were the outlier and usually used as a cautionary tale. I lost track of the amount of times I'd hear about the Dynamite Kid and why guys had to work safer when I was first getting into Pro Wrestling. Over time it's just become more prevalent and instead of guys learning from situations like Misawa and Benoit, they've kept pushing the envelope.
I've been re-reading HBK's autobiography of late and one of the interesting stories was about how guys used to greet one another. Instead of a firm hand shake, guys would be as loose as possible. HBK couldn't rack his head over it, but the idea was that you'd shake hands like you'd wrestle, as soft as possible.
In Mid-South most guys worked that way, it wasn't only Buddy Landell who would take liberties.
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Post by KJ on Jan 15, 2018 1:49:35 GMT
You're the one that brought up eras, saying Sasha was an example of modern times. I was simply stating that people have been working stiff for decades. For all the talk about Sasha being reckless, the list of people she's injured is remarkably short. That spot is not new. It's been done hundreds of times with no issue. Going after somebody for the one time it ends badly is absurd. It reminds me of how people used to complain about Alicia's scissors kick because it "looked dangerous" and "she could hurt someone one day". Newsflash: wrestling is dangerous. are you comparing Sasha being dangerous to Alicia Fox having a move that looked dangerous?
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Post by Kaye88 on Jan 15, 2018 7:48:53 GMT
The thing with Sasha though is that she is often dangerous to herself. Has she actually injured anyone aside from Paige since she began working in WWE? I went through the Lance Storm video up in the thread and I do agree with the judgment that Sasha is kind of careless when it comes to herself, but is pretty safe when it actually comes to other people.
There's a big difference there. So I don't see how Sasha is already being swept off as being totally dangerous to be in the ring with in terms of injuring others. In terms of injuring herself, that's where I'm worried about with Miss Banks.
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Post by c on Jan 15, 2018 8:22:15 GMT
That kick was gross. Not sure what video people were watching but it looked stiff as hell. I really question why that spot was even done given Paige's prior neck injury and her messed up back.
Paige does not think she is done. And really, with Bellatrix, she is only retired if she wishes to be. I hope she is done with WWE though as WWE has been nothing but a disaster for her these last few years. I feel like wrestling fucked her over big time. She should take the fame, and move into social media or acting. She has the fashion stuff right now to fall back on.
The working stiff and eras crap is worth following up on. In the past the old adage was hit very hard in safe places. Then Japan took this to the extreme. Recently it seems that hitting not so safe places stiff has become the way to stand out and it is ripping people apart. Nakamura commented about it when Shibata went down saying that the trend in Japan is to do moves that are legit dangerous more and more and now serious injuries are also occurring more and more.
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Post by Mistress on Jan 17, 2018 1:38:38 GMT
Sources are saying Paige is delusional in telling people she will compete again. She won't accept her fate.
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Post by LS on Jan 20, 2018 21:18:37 GMT
It's awful that this happened, but from what I gather, Paige's neck was in such bad shape that it was only a matter of time. Storm and Cyrus recently discussed the offending house show spot on their podcast. This aired before it was announced that Paige's career is over. Thought some people might be interested. I skimmed through this video and Cyrus sounded ridiculous. He was trying to make a point that you never see this move because it's so dangerous... I've seen that move so many times in WWE that I've lost count. There's video of Bayley doing it to Paige during the same tour she got injured in. AJ Lee did that move for the last two years of her career. Dana Brooke and Alicia Fox had a match on Superstars last week where Foxy used it to counter a handspring elbow, and I've seen that exact spot numerous times. If he wants to make the point that it was dangerous to do it to Paige in particular because of her neck injury, fine, but then that raises the question of whether or not Paige should have even been in the ring. Awful news for Paige, especially after the year she's had. But I actually hope they make a compelling story out of it. Obviously Sasha's heel turn is something that's in the writing team's back pocket, but instead of having her turn on Bayley - which is too telegraphed at this point and will just lead to Sasha being cheered for being a 'cool heel - I would consider Sasha turning heel by taking over Absolution from Paige. Sasha abandons her friends and the fans for two rookies who haven't proven themselves, all because she wants to take everything that Paige has left to her name. First she takes Paige's career, then she takes the only purpose Paige has left, that being to mold two rookies in Mandy and Sonya. I can't see it happening because it would be considered controversial and draws attention to the fact that one of their talents got seriously injured and may have been allowed back too soon... but I'd love for them to find a way to 1) give the girls a compelling story with character motives for once, and 2) make Sasha into an actual heel rather than "the boss who has fun matches". They always want to go the 'reality era' route but never when it can actually be good!
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